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Dougie’s Monday mailbag (Linares-Lomachenko, Jaime Munguia, Devin Haney)

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May

LOMA-LINARES

Sup Doug,

What did you think of that scintillating affair between two elite, badass 135 lbers? I thought the fight displayed everything boxing should be: Skill, technique, strategy, ferocity, momentum swings, and perpetual drama.

Later brutha. – Regi Woodard

Going into Saturday’s lightweight championship I expected to witness to a competitive showdown between two gifted, offense-minded master boxers with big hearts – and Lomachenko and Linares delivered.

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In fact, the fight exceeded my expectations. I had envisioned Linares taking Lomachenko the distance and losing on points in a close fight. I didn’t expect to see Linares to drop Lomachenko in the middle of the fight, or for the defending champ to catch up on the scorecards by Round 9, and I didn’t foresee the naturally smaller man to rally hard for a late-rounds body shot stoppage. Linares-Lomachenko was definitely boxing at its best.

That was a matchup and fight worthy of the legendary venue it took place in, and it produced an electric atmosphere. I was honored to witness the fight live because it ranks up there with the other unforgettable Madison Square Garden nights I’ve experienced going back 18 years (Lewis-Grant, Trinidad-Joppy, Hopkins-Trinidad, Cotto-Judah, Cotto-Mosley and Golovkin-Lemieux).

 

QUICK LINE OF SUPPORT & APPRECIATION

Hi Doug,

Just wanted to write in and say great handling of the whole Canelo issue. Initially I was annoyed when he wasn’t stripped straight away but in reflection I think you did the right thing and your article was spot on. I think it highlights to all of us readers/supporters of the very difficult position you have been in lately.

Hopefully now everyone can see the situation as it is and look forward to the rematch. Besides if he wins the rematch he deserves to be Ring Champion and if he loses, he loses the title anyway.

Quick MM: Froch v Kovalev (you determine weight)

Many thanks. – Steffan, UK

Damn, you just had to be named Steffan.

Regarding THE RING not following its own rules, the rather long-winded intro I penned for last week’s overdue Ratings Update was all I could do given the circumstances and the position that I (and the Editorial Board) have been in for the past month. It has been stressful, but I truly appreciate the supportive words some fans have offered since the announcement, and I especially value the understanding words and support that I received from my colleagues at Friday’s Boxing Writers Assoc. of America awards dinner. It means a lot.

I only hope that we can construct a better PED policy and protocol from this.

I’ll go with Kovalev by close but unanimous decision at 175 pounds.      

 

RING POLICY

Dear Dougie,

I have been following the magazine and your career for 9 years. I am deeply disappointed in you and the magazine. The Ring Title is not valid as lineal championship in the eyes of true fans now. I will cancel my subscription and follow the magazine from social media.

Wish you the best in your career. Best regards. – RB

I’m sorry you feel that way, RB, but I understand your position. Just keep in mind that I’m the editor of THE RING, not the owner of the magazine. I put my heart and soul into this gig but I don’t pay the bills on the publication. With any form of news/entertainment media – from newspapers to magazines to networks – there’s an editorial/artistic side and there’s a business side. In an ideal world there’s a separation of church and state, but I think you’re old enough to know that we don’t live in an ideal world.

Again, I respect your opinion and decision.

 

THE WEEKEND ROCKED

Doug hey,

That was a damned satisfying weekend of boxing. Seems like Linares v Loma was about like what most people expected, with the late rounds TKO. But what a great fight and huge props to Linares even in losing. I’m wondering what a rematch might look like — Lomachenko having sussed it out and going onto win even more convincingly (yes a TKO is already gold standard in “convincing”, but I really thought Linares had a shot at it there) or, Linares having worked out what he needed to do and doing more of it to close the gap. Last thought on Lomachenko for now, everybody seems to be going on about him maxing out the size and weight class; well, he’s bigger than Manny Pacquiao…

And three other really good fights: Rey Vargas is the goods, that was a great tilt and the scorecards didn’t do it justice either, I thought Hovhannisyan was more in there than he got credit for (reminds me of Robert Easter Jr.’s fight with Denis Shafikov in that way). Still, Vargas clearly won a tough brawl, and based on his last three fights I think he’s The Man at 122. With his size and engine he might get far at Featherweight too…  Santa Cruz/Vargas anyone?

Just to prove it was a weekend of wonder Hughie Fury just put himself straight up on into the heavyweight scene in his scrap with Sam Sexton. Hughie was actually throwing some genuinely spiteful, and accurate punches, along with his usual unabated slick movement. He picked up the British title and if he carries on from where he was in round four of that fight I think he’s close to the top five heavyweights (sigh, but, still! It’s good).

And last but not least Munguia. I confess to never really rating Sadam Ali at 154, while knowing next to nothing about Munguia (so I kinda assumed he was picked to lose — so good on Ali for bold matchmaking). Ali seems like a quality guy, and that was a good beating he put on Cotto, but I never could picture him getting far at 154. I think Liam Smith was going to be a tall order for him, though that would be a good fight. Be it as it may, I’ll definitely be looking out for Munguia from here on. The kid is accurate, organized, and aggressive. Who does he fight next?

I look forward to your thoughts on all this, thanks as always. – Alec

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on pretty much all of the world-class action this past weekend, Alec.

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You assumed Jaime Munguia – THE RING’s 2017 Prospect of the Year – was picked to lose? Come on, man! Haven’t you read or heard Steve Kim raving about the new Tijuana Tornado for the last two weeks? You should have read Anson Wainwright’s New Faces on Munguia from last December, just before the 21-year-old phenom fought Paul Valenzuela Jr. on the Salido-Roman undercard in Las Vegas – a performance (second-round KO) that sold me on the young gun. More than a few insiders viewed Munguia as a more dangerous opponent for Ali (who was valiant in crushing defeat) than Liam Smith.

I have no idea who Munguia fights next (maybe Smith), but I know he’s got his sights set on an eventual showdown with Canelo for Mexican supremacy and you can sign me up for that showdown. I’d love to see him in a unification match against Jarrett Hurd and/or Jermell Charlo, and one day (soon) I think Dominican welterweight prospect Carlos Adames, who looked giant but raw in the co-feature to Lianres-Lomachenko, will grow into the junior middleweight division and make for a fun challenger for Munguia.

Seems like Linares v Loma was about like what most people expected, with the late rounds TKO. But what a great fight and huge props to Linares even in losing. I think it turned out to be a lot more competitive than what most fans expected. (And, hopefully, those who thought Linares would quit or get blown out have gained at least a little bit of respect for the three-division titleholder.)

I’m wondering what a rematch might look like — Lomachenko having sussed it out and going onto win even more convincingly (yes a TKO is already gold standard in “convincing”, but I really thought Linares had a shot at it there) or, Linares having worked out what he needed to do and doing more of it to close the gap. I would favor Lomachenko by decision in another competitive fight, but you never know…

Last thought on Lomachenko for now, everybody seems to be going on about him maxing out the size and weight class; well, he’s bigger than Manny Pacquiao… Yep, but Loma’s older than Pac was when he was fighting at 130 pounds, and he’s isn’t as explosive/powerful as the Filipino icon was.

Rey Vargas is the goods, that was a great tilt and the scorecards didn’t do it justice either, I thought Hovhannisyan was more in there than he got credit for (reminds me of Robert Easter Jr.’s fight with Denis Shafikov in that way). “Crazy A” ain’t no joke. Props to Vargas for getting through 12 rounds with that rough and tumble little hardass.

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Still, Vargas clearly won a tough brawl, and based on his last three fights I think he’s The Man at 122. I agree with you, but I think many fans (and certainly more than a few members of the Ring Ratings Panel) place Isaac Dogboe in that position and would pick the newly crowned Ghanaian beltholder to beat the Mexican stringbean.

With his size and engine he might get far at Featherweight too… Santa Cruz/Vargas anyone? I think Vargas can hang at 126 pounds, but I’d rather see Santa Cruz take on the Russell-Diaz winner or engage in a rubbermatch against Carl Frampton (that is, if the three-division beltholder defeats Abner Mares in their rematch).

Just to prove it was a weekend of wonder, Hughie Fury just put himself straight up on into the heavyweight scene in his scrap with Sam Sexton. Nice to see Hughie win without stinking it out.

He picked up the British title and if he carries on from where he was in round four of that fight I think he’s close to the top five heavyweights. Although I thought he arguably outpointed Joseph Parker, I don’t consider Hughie to be a top-five heavyweight. He might be ready to crack the top 10.

 

BIG DRAMA AT MSG

Dear Mr. Fischer,

Instead of walking away from the sport I was live at the MSG tonight and I have to admit: It’s not only GGG who serves big drama shows. What I have seen from both Lomachenko and Linares was big drama at its best. After round 5, I thought Lomachenko could play around with Linares but couldn’t knock him out. How wrong I was. First the knockdown of Loma and then the KO of Linares. What a drama. But I’m happy it ended with a KO because with those judges today otherwise you never know. – Matthias

The official judges weren’t far off, Matthias. Most of the writers sitting around me on press row had the fight even (85-85) after nine rounds (or five rounds to four for Loma with a 10-8 round going to Linares).

But I agree with you, by Round 5 it looked like Lomachenko, who won Rounds 2-4 on my card, had taken firm control of the fight with his brilliant brand of elusive and offensively creative pressure. Linares had a very stressed out look by the end of the fifth. I was thinking he was going to do a lot of suffering over the second half of the bout. And then in

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Round 6 Linares landed that beautiful straight right and not only dropped Loma for the first time in the Ukrainian’s pro career but gave himself an instant psychological second wind. Although the next three rounds were close and could have gone to Lomachenko, I scored Rounds 7 and 9 for Linares. The combo he put on Loma in Round 9 was SWEET. And then Loma did what the special fighters do in that situation – he took it to another level. He didn’t start Round 10 like an elite boxer, he came out of his corner like a card carrying badass on a mission. 

 

LUCKMANCHENKO’S GIFT KO

Hey Dougie,

Is there ANY validity to the skepticism surrounding the conclusion of Loma vs Linares?

Follow up: is a rematch needed? – M-Gonz Jr.

I think the matchup was competitive and special enough to be worthy of a rematch, but not right away.

As for the knockout, it happened rather abruptly (and many of us ringside missed the body shot that did in poor Jorge) but once we all saw the slow-mo replays there was no doubt that it was a legit stoppage.

 

HIGH-PACED MASTER BOXING MATCHUPS

Hey Doug,

Man what a fight! Loma vs Linares was an amazing display of skill by both men. Each made adjustments and I think both were operating at their best. There were so many fake ass fans talking out their ass about how this wasn’t a good match up and how Linares is garbage and will get blown out (I could not believe I had arguments with people on this site and others about why it would be … boxing fans are pathetically cynical a lot of the time).

Instead he showed his skill level and will level to be right up there with the best in the sport. This fight exceeded the high expectations I had for it, and both men are elevated in my mind. I had Linares up by a point at the stoppage, and felt he had the momentum going into the championship rounds, but man, Loma switched on another gear in the 10th and took him out right when he needed too. These are the nights that make me love boxing man, that was beautiful stuff.

What are some other examples of high paced brilliant technical matches between two masters you can think of from times past? Leonard vs Hearns comes to mind.

Where do you think Loma should go from here? I think with his aggressive attack style he’s going to have significantly more trouble at 135 than 130. He did just beat the cream of the crop in that division of course, and while I think it was mainly Linares’ skill that kept Loma at bay for much of the match, he was also clearly troubled by the size. Not sure he’d survive against the heavy hitting master boxer Mikey Garcia, but I’d sure as hell like to see him try.

Great fight! Great night! – Joel in MTL

Agree 100%, Joel.

Where should Loma go from here? I think he should try to unify the 135-pound division. I think Bob Arum is planning to deliver WBO beltholder Ray Beltran to his Ukrainian star on Aug. 25 (tentatively scheduled for The Forum in my hood of Inglewood), maybe a month after the Garcia-Easter unification bout is supposed to take place (which may also be in the L.A. area). Those unification bouts set the table for an undisputed championship showdown between the winners – either in December of this year or by spring of 2019. That’s the course I’d like to see.

Loma vs Linares was an amazing display of skill by both men. I agree. Both exhibited footwork and technique.

Each made adjustments and I think both were operating at their best. There were so many fake ass fans talking out their ass about how this wasn’t a good match up and how Linares is garbage and will get blown out. I know. I honestly feel a little sorry for these guys.

(I could not believe I had arguments with people on this site and others about why it would be … boxing fans are pathetically cynical a lot of the time). Yes indeed.

Instead he showed his skill level and will level to be right up there with the best in the sport. I agree. Anyone who considers Lomachenko to be the No. 1 pound-for-pound boxer in the sport must view Linares as an elite boxer.

This fight exceeded the high expectations I had for it, and both men are elevated in my mind. Same.

I had Linares up by a point at the stoppage, and felt he had the momentum going into the championship rounds, but man, Loma switched on another gear in the 10th and took him out right when he needed too. Linares is a stud but Loma is the man.

These are the nights that make me love boxing man, that was beautiful stuff. There was a great vibe shared by all that were at the Garden and it lasted all night.

What are some other examples of high paced brilliant technical matches between two masters you can think of from times past? Leonard vs Hearns comes to mind. Yeah, the first showdown between those two hall of famers is a classic example of what you’re talking about. So are the first two bouts between James Toney and Mike McCallum. One such “speed chess” match between brilliant technical boxers that I had the honor of covering is the Marco Antonio Barrera-Juan Manuel Marquez 130-pound title bout in 2007. You MUST check that one out if you haven’t seen it.

 

DANCING IN THE SHADOWS

Whassup Fischer,

Long time reader, first time writer.

This weekend we’ve seen two great examples of mind blowing foot work. First up, I thought Devin Haney looked quite spectacular for an untested 19 year old. His lateral movement and grasp of the half spaces that make the difference between good and great were impressive. Do you see him as a future great?

He executed every action he wanted to, rare at this stage of a fighter’s career. Then we have Loma v Linares. I had the pleasure of a very enjoyable viewpoint at the Mecca of Boxing and I can honestly say I’ve never seen movement like Hi-Tech’s. He slips and shuffles, weaves and pivots all at once. How meaningful was his father’s decision to make him train as a dancer early in his development? I’ve never seen footwork like it! Keep up the good work! – Dan, an Englishman in New York

Thanks for finally sharing your thoughts with the mailbag column, Dan.

I definitely believe that Lomachenko’s early dancing instruction/mastery serves as the foundation for his uncanny balance/agility/footwork/movement in the ring. (I made this same comment in an article that ran in THE RING in 2016 – Loma’s first cover.)

I thought Devin Haney looked quite spectacular for an untested 19 year old. Haney’s the real deal, one of best prospects in boxing. For a teenager to dominate an experienced pro like Mason Menard (now 33-2) in only his 19th bout proves how special he is. I think I met him in Las Vegas when he was still an amateur. He was with the Porters (Shawn and Ken) and they told me to keep an eye on him. They were right.

The way Haney controls distance and tempo/pace is impressive. He’s a ring general who can stick and move or power pot shot on the fly. I will keep a much closer eye on him (as most of us will) going forward.

Do you see him as a future great? No, it’s way too early to believe anything like that, but he’s clearly got the ability and potential to be a top contender.

 

LOMACHENKO IS THE REAL DEAL

Hi Doug,

What a fight between Linares and Lomachenko! I was very impressed with both men. There were plenty of close rounds and I thought it was still up for grabs going into the championship rounds. After the first 6 rounds I thought Lomachenko had taken control if the fight and then boom! A nice punch knocks Loma down and everything changes. I thought Vasily was legitimately hurt by that punch and hid it pretty well. His whole approach changed as he knew Linares could hurt him. As soon as he got back together he slowly started to go back to his gameplan until he finally came and hit Jorge with that perfect body punch that nobody saw coming.

That’s what happens when you fight the elite, you’ll find yourself in tough spots that will show us what you’re made of. Hi Tech showed us he has plenty of more tricks than we thought he had. He also showed some weaknesses that we hadn’t seen before. He can get a little careless, overconfident and cocky in the ring and that’s what led to the knockdown. A Mikey Garcia punch would’ve been the end, so in other words, I’m sure he learned that he can’t just stand and do this with just everybody specially at that higher weight class.

I still think GGG is the top fighter in the game with Loma a close second (I consider Canelo and Jacobs better fighters than anybody Vasily has beat).  He certainly made a good argument for himself this weekend for that top stop for whoever cares about this.  I think the obvious match is against Mikey Garcia (who I still favor over Vasily, specially after this fight as I consider Mikey a superior fighter to Linares in many ways). Who do you pick in that match?

Jaime Munguia proved to be the goods with that KO of Ali. He seems to have that eraser which can’t be taught. One question though, do you think Jaime is that good or Ali not as great as advertised? I’m just glad Tijuana has a new champion that looks good!

Thanks Doug. Hope you have a great week. – Juan Valverde, San Diego

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Juan.

I think Munguia is that good, and at his age time is on his side. He will continue to improve with more instruction (from Robert Alcazar, who will hopefully get Munguia to work his jab more) and world-class experience.

That’s what happens when you fight the elite, you’ll find yourself in tough spots that will show us what you’re made of. Agreed. Lomachenko needed to be tested the way only an experienced, top-notch boxer like Linares could. It forced him to raise his game and show us just how fierce he can be.

Hi Tech showed us he has plenty of more tricks than we thought he had. Along with a lot of heart.

He also showed some weaknesses that we hadn’t seen before. He can get a little careless, overconfident and cocky in the ring and that’s what led to the knockdown. Yup, Linares served him a strong does of reality, which will serve Loma well going forward. I don’t think Loma will allow himself to get overconfident like that against a top lightweight again.

A Mikey Garcia punch would’ve been the end, so in other words, I’m sure he learned that he can’t just stand and do this with just everybody specially at that higher weight class. True. And if Loma ever fights Garcia you can best believe that he’ll be more elusive than ever.

I still think GGG is the top fighter in the game with Loma a close second (I consider Canelo and Jacobs better fighters than anybody Vasily has beat). I think Linares is up there with Canelo and Jacobs, but I agree that Golovkin is still No. 1 P4P because of his long title reign (the longest among active fighters), the fact that he’s got three major belts and is approaching B-Hop’s middleweight title defense record.

He certainly made a good argument for himself this weekend for that top stop for whoever cares about this. A lot of fans and media view Loma as No. 1 and I won’t argue too much with them (or with anyone who thinks Bud’s the P4P king).

I think the obvious match is against Mikey Garcia (who I still favor over Vasily, specially after this fight as I consider Mikey a superior fighter to Linares in many ways). Who do you pick in that match? I slightly favor Loma. I think his speed and lateral movement will trouble Mikey. And I think Garcia will have a harder time landing the sweet shot than Linares did vs. Loma. He’s not as fast or rangy as Linares, and he doesn’t have the Venezuelan’s footwork.

 

DANCING WITH THE BARYSHNIKOV OF BOXING

Hey Doug,

You are doing an awesome job as always with the mailbags, website in general and the magazine. Keep it up man!

I have been a close follower and admirer of Lomachenko’s special skills since he turned pro. As I did with Floyd, I was able to see far in advance the subtle things that made him outstanding and a future all-time great. One thing they neglected to mention during the telecast is that in addition to becoming the fastest boxer in history to win titles in three divisions (he was also the fastest to win a world title in a second division in addition to tying the record for the fastest to win a world title period) he has in my mind ALREADY secured a Hall of Fame resume! To achieve that after only 12 pro fights in INSANE and unheard of! We are looking at an extremely special fighter.

I thought of an idea in the past couple weeks that I believe would expose him to a mass audience here in the states and something that he would be a natural for. The idea is for him to appear on Dancing with the Stars. With his dancing background, improving English and charm I can see him doing extremely well on the show and probably even winning the damn thing! A lot of the pro dancers on the show are from Eastern Europe as well so it just makes so much sense across the board to me. I am surprised his management team hasn’t already thought of the idea. Maybe someone in his circle will read this and pass it on. What do you think of that idea? – Darrell L., Los Angeles, CA

I love it. That’s a great idea. And I’ll be happy to pass it along to Egis Klimas (if he hasn’t already considered it). I can envision Lomachenko (and his amateur/pro teammate Oleksandr Usyk) kicking major ass on that show. I can also imagine him charming a casual fan (or non-boxing fan) audience.

I also agree that Lomachenko – with his legendary amateur boxing career combined with what he’s achieved so far as a pro – may already be worthy of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, which is mind boggling considering he’s only got 12 pro bouts under his belt.

 

 

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  • Tony Nightstick

    I don’t see a need for Lomachenko-Linares II. A competitive fight, to be sure, but Loma won decisively.

    • Dug Fisher

      I thought he was ahead wider than most and then he took it to another level in the 10th. Lomachenko’s definitely entered a danger zone now at 135lb, but he seems a logical choice as the best fighter in the game right now.

      • Giuseppe

        Would take GGG to have a decisive victory over Canelo. but, saying that, Loma will fight beltran before then so he could be untouchable by September as p4p #1.

    • Mark Schoeman

      Like a lot of folks, you’re watching wrong. People watch fights for the fights, not the results…I don’t care about the decisiveness of a KO, only that the action preceding it was so entertaining, I’d like to see it again

      • Mauro Hermida

        Linares isn’t getting any younger. Neither is Loma, but he is still at his peak. I wonder how this fight would have played out against the Linares of 3 years ago(one who could drop crazy combos at will). It definitely would go to the cards and I think Linares would have won.

        • D. Gambino

          Time would not have mattered. Linares would get beat by Loma every time. I actually think the Linares of 3 years ago would’ve suffered the same fate – just sooner.

          This version of Linares is the best version. This Linares is the best I’ve ever seen from him. He would’ve beat any fighter at 135 not named Loma or Garcia that night. In my eyes, there is no shame in his performance. I feel he raised his profile with that performance.

          • Mauro Hermida

            I disagree. You did come on here before and state that you thought Loma would run over Linares did you not? He landed a lucky liver shot. I say that because body shots land all the time and its few and far between to have one land perfectly. Loma isn’t Mickey Ward of JCC when it comes to body shots. Everything else he landed didn’t seem to bother Linares much. Looking at that, I believe any version of Linares would be able to take this kind of heat. Loma cannot punch at this weight. Now, I factor in the added handspeed, athleticism and the I forsee more than one KD plus a more likely victory. The young version would have had a chance for stoppage. Now this older version was neck and neck and if that shot isn’t perfectly placed, it goes to the cards and probably ends up a draw. I like Loma and appreciate his ability but I cannot crown that dude and believe if he goes up to 140, a young gun will stretch him unless he stinks it out.

          • D. Gambino

            I don’t know if I said Linares would get run over by Linares but I do remember saying Loma would out box him with ease. I stand by that and felt that Loma was taking over that fight prior to the stoppage. Loma was winning the 10th round prior to stoppage and Linares was tiring. It was clear to me that Linares was feeling Loma’s punches in the later rounds. I see a unanimous decision for Loma had it went 12 rounds.

            The problem with getting Linares of 3 years ago – is that you lose the fight experience of those 3 years that he gained in fighting Crolla, Campbell and others. The Linares you saw against Loma would’ve beat the Linares of 3 years ago, probably by stoppage.

            Loma really belongs at 130. I agree with you though that Loma should not go above 135. His style would be detrimental at 140. Hell, I’m not sure that Loma beats Garcia at 135 right now. That’s as close to 50/50 for me at the moment.

          • Mauro Hermida

            Well I cannot really speculate if Linares would have made a final push the last two rounds since he got stopped. I have seen him close a show well so in a way we were robbed of more intense action and drama. I agree on the 50 50 with garcia. If I had to give someone the edge though it would be Mikey. I feel like Loma cannot make any mistakes in this fight, but Mikey can. Loma can win most of the rounds then get hurt and that’s it. I can see Mikey timing him well and his jab is an educated one that will have Loma going backwards imo.

          • D. Gambino

            I agree with all of your assessments of a Loma/Garcia fight. I feel Garcia is the best fighter at 135 until someone beats him.

      • Julio

        I think he is saying that there are more interesting fights for Loma at the moment. Maybe down the road, but right now Loma ins on a different mission.

  • David T

    Regarding Hughie Fury…I really hope we never have to see him in action again. The most negative boring fighter on the planet.

    He was fighting a nobody in Sam Sexton yet he was constantly on the backfoot. All he throws is a jab and the occasional right hand. No other combos.

    Zzzzzzzzz

  • Drebin_Frank

    Nice read Dougie. Re: the Canelo issue, it’s a damn shame the business side of the Mag has chosen to interfere with what should pretty clearly be out of their area of influence (cheapening their own product in the process…) Tho i guess a small saving grace is that Dougie and the writers get to call it out for what it is.

  • leevonmanstein

    i watched the loma lonares fight on you tube and loma threw so many punches and so fast i couldn’t tell what he was hitting if anything. so i watched it again at half speed. this time i saw loma landing and landing with extreme accuracy. linares was awesome too, but loma was definately the superior boxer/fighter.

  • Conrad

    I think Lomachenko left super feather too quickly. I don’t like to see fighters move weight classes after a couple of fights, I think it would be better if he cleaned out the division first. Plus lightweight is definitely his ceiling weight, 140 is way too big for him.

    • leevonmanstein

      for the top guys at 140 i agree with you.

    • Stephen M

      I think that he was having trouble getting fights. Guys should want to fight him now, at least those at 135.

      • Conrad

        I’m sure he was but he still faced good competition there. Arum could’ve got Berchelt into the ring surely.

        • ceylon mooney

          wasnt happening

    • ceylon mooney

      after walters top guys would
      not
      fight him

    • Orca

      Agreed. We are going to be deprived of Loma at his best. Same with Pac way up at 147. Sure he was amazing at times and accomplished a lot but he could have put a serious run together at 135-140 without having to give away so much in size.

      • Left Hook2

        And when they fight over their size…most of those fights go to the scorecards. I love Manny, but 10 years with no kayos lets you know that his most exciting days are in the past.

      • Conrad

        Yeah for sure. Strange he didn’t stay there longer. I wasn’t into boxing at the time so am not really aware of who was around at light/super light then but if he was that dominant as a welterweight I’m aues he could’ve been better at the weights below.

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        The sad issue why some fighters feel they have to keep moving up is economics. Casuals only throw money at the heavier weight classes. There are people who openly admit they will not watch “little men” fight.

    • Jacob Phelps

      People said the same of PAC and were wrong. Loma is not an ordinary man. I think he will end his career at least at 140 if not at 147. Furthermore, if he does fight MG and defeats him there is your proof that he can hang at 140.

      • Conrad

        Not necessarily. Mikey isn’t a natural 140lber. He is not as effective at 140 compared to 135. His power doesn’t translate that well.Hence why he’s moved back to 135.I do think Loma can beat bigger guys than him based on his skill. but there is a limit

    • Rick

      There’s a lot of goofballs on here that claim the only way to prove your greatness is to move up. I think Loma can probably move between 130 and 135 pretty easily so as long as he’s in good fights I say it’s all good.

  • Stephen M

    I was rooting for Munguia and half expected he’d won but DAMN! That was brutal and decisive. Funny, as before the fight, I was debating with someone who thought that as an inexperienced fighter Munguia could be damaged by the fight… We were worried about the wrong guy… Ok, I really, really want to see Hurd vs Munguia.

    I underestimated Linares’ speed and size . Or maybe I overestimated Loma’s size, he was very small in there. If Loma is not P4P now, he will be soon. He went up to a category where he clearly doesn’t belong and knocked out the champ.

    • Mauro Hermida

      Anybody that can get dropped and taken out by a soft puncher in Vargas at 147 is going to have a rough go of it against 154 and 160 pounders that have some power. Munguia looked like a middleweight and it doesn’t surprise me that he was able to bulldoze a welterweight.

      • ceylon mooney

        i dont think mungia boticed when ali hit him. that zonbie look on his face
        dint change.

        el chingon is a devistating stalker

      • Stephen M

        Well, anybody would be able to say that on Sunday morning. On Friday and Saturday, Ali was still rated very highly by Ring, Espn and Transnational and I didn’t see a lot of people calling the upset.

        • Mauro Hermida

          I don’t care about that. I saw a guy years ago that couldn’t take a punch. I didn’t need to be boxing expert to see a guy that was too small for a weight class. He beat an old ass Cotto, big deal. Cotto was just looking for soft touches at that point in his career and he bit off more than he could chew.

    • Oc

      That Munguia was one of the largest (and “fullest”, not lean or ripped) LMWs I have ever seen and with Ali being a small LMW he looked even bigger. Give the kid his dues though, he was sharp and organized as well as massive and aggressive. A fearsome combination for any boxer.

      • nick hapta

        Munguia was a WW not to long ago, has no problem making JMW and came into the ring @ 170 vs Ali @ 169. Stop talking like he is a LHW monster! He was lucky not to go up against GGG, With the defensive skills he showed the fight would have lasted 2-3 rounds. Fighting Hurd? Maybe in another year, after he gets himself a trainer like Sanchez.

        • Julio

          I think the kid has a lot of upside considering how young he is. That said, its good that he was not matched against GGG because that promising career could have been ruined.

  • Dug Fisher

    Lomachenko – Linares was terrific. Along with Spence- Brook, my favourite title winning effort of the past few years – great adverts for the sport.

    How Linares ever made 126lb with those broad shoulders is beyond me. That greater size clearly augmented his tight technical skills and helped him stay in the fight in my opinion. There would be no thorough containment of Lomachenko’s opponent that night, despite typical brilliance from round 2 thru 5. I actually squealed with delight at times during that period, and haven’t done that since Floyd was a badass super feather.

    I generally want to see fighters perform at their optimal weight and, for Loma, that is clearly 130lb, but this guy’s big game hunting so I hope he gets his wish in Garcia.

    Not convinced Linares earned a 10-8 in the sixth. Minus the flash knockdown, I thought Vasily edged it. So does that knockdown, in and of itself, really warrant what would be effectively a THREE point swing? Lomachenko ultimately took the matter out of the judges’ hands, but the widely held assumption that a knockdown all but guarantees a 2 point round needs to be addressed I think.

    Much like Sweetpea Whitaker, I think Loma’s defense is sometimes a little too good for his own good. Catching punches just short of the face with the back of the glove often makes a partially blocked shot appear to have landed with greater impact than it really has.

    Competitive fight throughout but I couldn’t personally find more than 3 rounds for the defending champ, as well as contesting the margin of the 6th. Garcia might find it even harder to bank rounds from a purely technical perspective, but I believe would stand a greater chance of setting up something big. I’d place that dream match at about 65-35 in Loma’s favour. I hope those odds are much greater than the chances of it actually happening.

    • Conrad

      With the knockdown rule, I think unless the fighter comes back to dominate the round you’ve got to give a 10-8. Both guys are trying to avoid being knocked down the whole fight so if one manages to floor the other, he should be rewarded

      • Dug Fisher

        The thing is though, if one guy outboxes his opponent in a given round, plus scores a knockdown, everyone agrees it’s a 10-8. If a guy GETS outboxed before scoring a knockdown, the same people generally agree it’s also a 10-8. I can’t accept that they’re the same thing at all, or that they should be scored the same.
        i was well on my way to scoring the 6th a competitive 10-9 to Lomachenko until he was decked in the final 20-30 seconds. Changing my score to 10-8 Linares effectively means I’m awarding him three points for a flash knockdown, because nothing happened after the knockdown at all. That can’t be right.
        I revisited the excellent Quartey-Lopez welter title fight on youtube recently. One of the reasons Lopez received an undeserved draw in that fight is because the judges awarded him a 10-8 round in the 3rd virtue of a flash knockdown after getting thoroughly outboxed. That should have been marked 10-10 in my eyes (Lopez second knockdown of Quartey in the 11th was 10-8 all the way).
        Lomachenko didn’t have as dominant a round as Quartey had prior to getting dropped, but I still wouldn’t score it any wider than 10-9 Linares.

    • Stephen M

      Stuff was happening so fast it was hard to see what was blocked. Linares definitely looked like the guy taking more damage though. I thought that Loma landed more but Compubox doesn’t bare me out on this.

      • Dug Fisher

        I really think Compubox was misleading that night. I’ve rewatched several rounds 3 or 4 times now. Linares deserved no more than an even opening round. I gave him round 7 but, although most people would probably give him round 9 virtue of that impressive hard flurry, I’m convinced Loma did enough to pull it back.
        Still, I have no real problem anyone giving Linares the 9th, but would contest that 6th being a 10-8. I had Lomachenko up 6, 2, 1 even with the 6th being only 10-9 Linares. I don’t expect many to agree lol.

        • Stephen M

          I thought that Loma was doing the better work throughout most of the fight. Linares would land hard flashy combos but Loma’s combos and consistent work seemed to be taking more of a toll on Linares, as was the pressure.

          • Dug Fisher

            I agree.

          • Andy T

            Same here

      • Orca

        Yeah I was surprised by those figures.

      • Left Hook2

        compubox numbers were terrible. they must have been sitting by Oscar…

      • JV316

        compubox is usually unreliable and that has been the case as long as i can remember, but it’s interesting to see the folks who like to cite them suddenly forget about them….

      • Mauro Hermida

        Linares swells up pretty easy.

    • D. Gambino

      Well said Dug about Linares and 6th round knockdown. Take away the knockdown and that’s a 10-9 round for Loma. I had the 6th round as a 10-9 round. Could you have even put that as a 9-9 round (Linares lost the round but Loma was put down – no clear round winner)? I don’t feel a knockdown should automatically mean a 10-8 round because Loma was winning that round even after he got up from the knockdown.

      As for Garcia/Loma – I very slightly favor Loma in that fight but I feel if anyone can beat Loma – it is Garcia. As for a percentage, I’d put that at a 52/48 in Loma’s favor. The one thing you have to factor in is Garcia is not going to have to chase Loma down. Loma is coming right at you and that benefits Garcia immensely.

      • Dug Fisher

        I don’t think you can have 9-9 under the 10 point ‘must’ system though. It would have to be 10-10, which I think was more reasonable than 10-8 Linares.

        • D. Gambino

          I know Dug. I totally get what you’re saying but I couldn’t award either fighter that 6th round. So I’m all for 10-10 as well as that accomplishes the same thing. I’m just thinking about it from a pure point perspective. I’d take points from both of ’em in that one!

    • Left Hook2

      Judges turn off the brain at the mention of a knockdown. They feel like a burden has been lifted if they can automatically score a 10-8 round. Even when a knockdown is improperly called.

    • David Robertson

      I’m with you on the point scoring. Would it be fairer to award a fighter who is losing the round, but scores a knockdown, a 10-9 score instead of the usual 10-8? Imagine the carnage and confusion amongst the judging though. It’s bad enough as it is.

    • nick hapta

      A great post. You have to watch the fight on a large screen TV and rewind constantly to
      see how accurate Loma’s punches were and how Linares harder punches looked flashy but mostly hit gloves. And then look at their faces after the fight. Linares was nearly done after the 9th.

  • Giuseppe

    open question… how would that version of linares have done against mikey garcia had he signed up instead of loma?

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      I still think Garcia is superior. Linares is chinny and Mikey would KO him. He’s a biger puncher than Loma.

      • Stephen M

        I keep wondering, and asking, how will Mikey do against someone with excellent footwork? Has he ever fought someone of that description?

        • Ерлан Табылдиев

          Nope. But You’ll get the answer when Loma fights Mikey.

        • D. Gambino

          Garcia’s timing is amazing and he hits harder than Linares. Plus Garcia wouldn’t have to find Loma because Loma is coming right at him. People are forgetting this key point when talking about a Loma/Garcia fight.

          • Stephen M

            It’s definitely a dangerous fight for Loma. Loma hopefully won’t be going straight at him. How does Mikey deal with angles and the pressure that comes from all of Loma’s activity and movement?

          • D. Gambino

            I don’t see Loma doing anything different in a Garcia fight than he did with Linares. Loma will need to be inside to get to Garcia because Garcia fights tall. Linares did a lot of good things in that fight.

            Garcia has as good a jab as Linares and Linares was effective with his jab. The way to stop angles is with hooks and Linares hit Loma with nice hooks too.

            Garcia needs to push, grab, forearm Loma when he trys to get inside – which Garcia already does to some extent. In other words – make it more of a street fight. Linares laid a good foundation on how to beat Loma. Garcia will use that to his advantage.

          • Stephen M

            You may be right. Nobody is invincible. I’m not convinced.

          • Mauro Hermida

            Mikey’s footwork and balance are also very good. He gets maximum leverage on his punches. He has good timing to boot. If Loma makes a mistake and gets too aggressive, that’s it.

      • Rick

        Linares would definitely be on his bike against Garcia. Even though Loma isn’t really a puncher I was suprised how much Linares stood in the pocket. It would likely be a completely different looking fight against Garcia.

    • Stephen M

      If Jorge had better skin and a better chin he might win, but I think Mikey would only have to land one punch to turn the fight around. We don’t know how Mikey would deal with a guy who is fast of hand and foot though. That’s my big question about Mikey.

    • D. Gambino

      That version of Linares woud have done decently against Garcia in the first 3 rounds. However, I feel Garcia would’ve stopped him sooner. Think about the flush punches Loma landed on Linares all throughout the fight. Now imagine Garcia, with his real power at 135, landing those same punches. We would’ve seen a 6th round stoppage (give or take a round).

      • Rick

        I would imagine Linares would approach a fight with Garcia differently than one with Loma. If he’s smart he would anyway.

        • D. Gambino

          I’m not sure that he would though Rick. Think about Loma’s style when you read this: Loma is a pressure fighter. No he doens’t apply pressure the same way that Golovkin does but he’s basically going to be in your face for most of the fight.

          Consider that Loma had Linares backing up throughout their fight in every round. Loma banks on his incredible footwork, speed and defense when applying his pressure and he knows when to get out.

          I don’t see him doing anything different if he were to fight Garcia. Old habits die hard.

  • Pit bull

    Lomochenko looked good.
    Still,, all this “ great “ has to stop.
    Greats are judged/ ranked at the end of their career,, not at the start. Yes, he passed the eye test,, let’s wait n see..
    one thing that these new age fans seem to love to say,, is that it’s not right/fair for a tall fighter to fight a short kid ? What the hell is going on with these new age fans ?
    Its called weight divisions not height divisions.. everything is so hard or not fair with these new age kids today .. anyways,, looking forward to watching a New Mexican star on the rise ,, mugaia looks like something ,, no I won’t call him or Ryan Garcia or George kambosos “greats “ ,, . Having said that, I’d love to see kambosos/ lomochenko next year,, not sure arum would bring his Ukraine “great “ down under for another 60000 stadium fight after his last big star was mauled by another Aussie pit bull jeff horn .. looking forward to horn/ Crawford next month. Win lose or draw,, the yanks will love horn,, horn v Spence will be big afterward . This is what fenech should have done earlier in his career,, but fenech loved his fans so much.. which reminds me,, lomochenko broke the Aussie Atgs record of least amount of fights to win three straps,, I’ll take my hat off to the Ukraine for that instead of comparing the oponents they faced to win those straps.

    • Orca

      Loma is beyond ‘eye test’. He arguably has a HOF resume after 12 fights. Of course he’s not a ‘great’ yet but he’s on his way.

      On a side note, I loved to watch Fenech fight. He was a beast and underachieved if anything.

      • Left Hook2

        And Fenech has the unenviable distinction of losing by kayo to feather-fisted Calvin Grove….
        He was robbed vs Azumah in the first fight…

        • Pit bull

          And ray Robinson lost to terry downes.. try putting a boxers career in perspective

          • Left Hook2

            I liked Fenech. And I know he wasn’t knocked out…he had a terrible gash spewing blood. Just ironic that a tough as nails guy like Fenech has a kayo loss on his record vs someone known for pillow fighting.
            BTW—I actually agree with you on something–it is weight division not height division.

          • Pit bull

            As I said,, you need to put a kids career in perspective. Do you judge Tyson on his loss to Lewis? Also,, will you judge lomochenko when he loses to some kid in 2023 ?

          • Left Hook2

            who said I was judging?

          • Pit bull

            I see where this is going.
            Okay,, I’m sorry son,
            You win,, I’m finished now

      • Pit bull

        What’s beyond eye test ? ..lol
        Hof no dought,, Mancini made it .
        I’m so happy you loved fenech mate.. if you’re not a yank fighter you get dismissed by the experts n writers of boxing.. gladly fenech has been recognised by the yanks.. fenech did underachieve as you said ,, reason being he was he had bad hands n suffered badly from them.. I’ll never forget fenech crying in pain as the great trainer John Lewis pulling the gloves off aftet Jeff’s brutal fight with Marcos villasana, this was the second time fenech had won with two broken hands,, jeff stopped the unbelievable tough victor callejas the before,, fenech was mentioned as the next duran before one of the greatest rip offs in boxing history,, the azumah Nelson fight, jeff never got over that don king classic.

        • Orca

          I’m Scottish. I remember the Duran comparisons. I remember the 1st Nelson fight well. It was my first time, as a proper fan, seeing a fighter getting ripped off by the judges. I couldn’t believe it. The rematch was good but Jeff just wasn’t the same. No shame in losing to Azumah though.

          • Pit bull

            Yep. Jeff was finished by the Nelson rematch.. he hated the politics of boxing since the descase at the Olympic Games when he lost to steve mccory,, Jeff gave mccory a brutal beat down later in the pros.. with the don king rip off n broken hands jeff had enough I guess.
            As a scott,, you’d love a brawler like fenech I’m guessing.. lol

        • Jody Hanna

          He never got over the Nelson robbery, it ruined him as a fighter.

      • Mauro Hermida

        Like Doug stated, if you factor in his amateur career, you can already make a case for the hall, but there are A LOT of pros from this era with better resumes.

    • Giuseppe

      i think he is approaching greatness to be honest. he may not be there yet but he has both feet on the ladder.

      • Pit bull

        Why not
        I’m not saying the kid won’t
        I’m just saying I’ll wait
        It’s amazing how much crap I’ve taken for saying I’ll wait.. lol

        • Giuseppe

          Within the next five fights we’ll know, i reckon. I think he won’t fight Garcia until next year. Partly because i think Garcia will want him to come up between 135 / 40 as that’s a key advantage for Mikey.

          • Pit bull

            See,, the trouble is IMO,, who doses lomochenko beat to be great? That’s my bug bear,, I’ve been hounded for my same stance on GGG,, lomochenko is in the same situation as far as imagine concerned,, I think their both modern greats but not greats as the older eras were .. I hope you understand.

          • Giuseppe

            I do know what you mean. but i think until saturday his resume, especially for 12 fights was ‘good’. Let’s say his ‘better five’ are Linares, Beltran, Pac, Garcia and Davis. That’s starting to look very very good to me. then he may have a crazy shot at 140 or even 147. the potential to be just as great is there. No-one thought pac would be able to breathe at 140, 147 etc, after all.

          • Dug Fisher

            It’s incredible to say, considering Manny won his first title at 112lb, but I don’t think Lomachenko has as much natural size as the Fillipino great.
            Pac was still a stringbean at 126lb and didn’t start to look properly (healthily?) filled out until he reached 135 to 140lb. In his absolute prime from the David Diaz fight at lightweight through to the Margarito whupping at silly catch weight I think he was mostly a solid 140lb guy having his way with elitle level welters.
            I thought Loma looked more filled out at 130lb than Manny did, now runs a risk of coming unstuck against inferior but bigger fighters at 135lb (and yes, I do consider Garcia an inferior fighter) and 140lb would not be a good idea at all.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            Pac has bigger legs that’s a big factor in weight mobility, and he was still fairly lean at 130 & 135. Lomachenko on saturday looked fully filled out and almost a little too thick for a boxer who;s all about agility. Lomachenko never starved and drained for years, he fought two Olympics at featherweight having to make weight on the day of the fight every other day during a major tournament, there si not much room or time for playing shell games with weight.

          • Mauro Hermida

            I think Pac would have put Loma to sleep at 135 and above. Loma would have to be cautious throughout, where Pac could have easily afforded taking chances to get the KO.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            We can only hope Berchelt & Davis accomplish big things in the next year or two and have showdons with Loma by 2020. He’s got more time, at this same age, Golovkins best opponents were Kassim Oumma, Lajuan Simon and Ian Gardner.

    • wrecksracer

      Yeah, The ESPN commentators need to dial their appreciation of his skills back a bit. I like Loma, but I found myself starting to root for Linares. I know Arum is paying the commentators, but come on….

      • Left Hook2

        I thought they did fairly well. Yes, you talk about the favorite, but they were giving Linares props throughout. Not like HBO who ignored Ogawa’s punches to Farmers face or Spike laying leather on Douglas and just talked about ‘their’ fighter…

        • Koninbeor

          I’ve got to say that HBO, while obviously guilty of cheerleading, is not the worst. In my opinion, PBC was the worst when not on Showtime, though the cheerleading for GBP has supplanted them in recent months. HBO is next, followed by Top Rank, and then Showtime.

          ESPN and FOX Sports simply cheerlead based on who is paying the bills. If GBP was headlining that card instead of TR, we’d have heard a lot more about Linares and less about Lomachenko.

          • Left Hook2

            Probably so. But let’s be honest….Lomachenko and his crazy training is a lot more interesting than Linares! Tennis balls on your hat, walking on your hands, and a memory board beats good ole sparring and heavy bag work any day of the week (for journalism!!)

          • Ten Count Toronto

            There’s a trainer here in Toronto who’s been doing the tennis ball /yoyo attached to headband for a while, I’ll try to find you the IG link.

  • Dan Eban

    there is nobody out there to mention that Canelo disbanded from any drugs testing programs like he plans to continue eating contaminated meat?

    • Stephen M

      Yeah, were just sick of Canelo and Oscar.

      • Koninbeor

        Did they really? I didn’t think it was possible. I seriously thought that Canelo could video himself taking a dump directly on top of the belt, post it on YouTube, and the WBC would be all, “Oh, that Canelo is a funny guy!”

        • Mauro Hermida

          Canelo is one egotistical fool to think he can just piss on the WBC when they ask him to enroll in a testing program. He has to understand it makes him look at least a little guilty in the eyes of most. It doesn’t hurt to get tested all year around.

          • Stephen M

            Especially with the storm of suspicion he is under.

          • Koninbeor

            I honestly don’t know who is to blame here, Oscar or Canelo. It’s like they’re TRYING to make Canelo look bad. People don’t necessarily hate him as a person or as a fighter but what we do tend to hate is hypocrisy and favoritism.

            Canelo is apparently the only boxer on the planet who doesn’t have to follow any rules. Get busted for PED use (intentional or not)? No problem, you don’t lose your title. You care what the fans say and want them to respect you, then they say you should get random testing? WBC also asks for the same thing since it’s required to fight for their belt? No problem, you’re not required to do it by law so just take a dump on the belt and your fans.

            Not only that, but GBP dangles an opponent in front of GGG and then pulls him away when they think it’ll be too late for GGG to find a replacement? It’s just one thing after another. I’d stop watching GBP events if I didn’t like boxing so much.

          • Stephen M

            Your best post ever.

          • Koninbeor

            It only took me several years to post something worth reading.

          • Stephen M

            That’s not quite what I said.

          • Koninbeor

            I know, just taking a jab at myself. If you can’t laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

          • Stephen M

            For a minute there you sounded like my mother…

          • Koninbeor

            I have no control over the voice you imagine when reading my posts, though I pity your mother if her voice is that deep. 😉

    • Chris Stans

      It’s genuinely amazing how little he cares about his image. Anyone with half a brain would realize the need for testing with the kind of scrutiny that he’s under.

      • Koninbeor

        His lips say that he cares but his actions say otherwise.

  • Andy T

    First off what a fight I loved it but Loma IMO is the no1 P4P in only 12 fights he fought and beat an elite lightweight who came in a stone heavier, this on the back of it being his third belt in a different weight class, has fought 7 ‘current or future World Champions.

    • Orca

      When you say it like that, it’s just crazy.

      • Stephen M

        It’s crazy, Loma has only had one non title fight.

        • Dug Fisher

          He wouldn’t have even had that if Arum had allowed him to have his way.

          • ceylon mooney

            thats true? i heard it a while ago.

          • Dug Fisher

            Yeah, he wanted a title shot in his first pro fight. Arum convinced him to take one fight first.

  • John Swan

    Monday ballbag:

    1. Linares-Loma really did deliver. What an awesome fight and atmosphere. At times the level of skill was breathtaking. Though I credit Linares for having a real go and for keeping the fight competitive, there was never a single moment – not even immediately after the knockdown, where I felt I would rather be in his shoes than Loma’s.
    2. I know this is being really pedantic and I’ve raised this before, but I really can’t stand when well known media constantly refer to Lomachenko as LOMAN-chenko. It’s even started to spread to fans who listen to their podcasts. Steve Kim was the first I noticed doing it. Ok, I get the fact that he has a non-American name, but is it really that difficult to say Loma instead of Loman?
    3. Dougie. Sure he ignored my emails on the Canelo situation, but I agree with the consensus that he has just been in a very difficult position and I am really glad for the support he’s been getting online, with only a small few continuing to cry foul against him – Rob from Montreal being one of them. I don’t always agree with Dougie, but I think he has handled this situation very well – he hasn’t done anything that could get him into trouble with the magazines owners, but has also managed to tell it how it is – well done Dougie. A part of me would still prefer to see Dougie not in an editor position and to take more of a primary correspondent role as his pieces, which are increasingly rare, are usually the best on this site. But hey, who am I to tell him how to handle his career.
    4. Stefan Friedman. For somebody willing to take on the Ring editorial board over the Canelo situation, you would expect the guy to have some sort of decorated background in boxing and/or drug testing. Having found him on Twitter – @stefanfriedman I put the question to him. No reply. Goes to show even a publicist knows when it’s best to say nothing.

    • Giuseppe

      the first point you make is very true. I got the impression Linares was fighting at his max to stay in the fight… whilst LomaNchenko (haha) hasn;t yet found his talent ceiling.

      • Stephen M

        Good point.

      • TNT

        I think Loma’s talent ceiling is on full display. He isn’t a 20 year old learning the ropes. He had an extensive amateur career and he faced some elite level fighters early as a professional.

        • Giuseppe

          All I mean is, he hasn’t found his limit the way linares did.

          • Julio

            Yes, I think Lomachenko will only bring his full arsenal when he finally meets someone that can compete on equal terms talent wise, or the size differential is too much to overcome.

    • Captain Napalm

      Brawlbag Inside The Ballbag Inside The Mailbag:
      1. Dude, Linares was a terrific champion and Loma always delivered. Square them off and off course you’re going to get a real kickass boxing match. All the credit to Linares for refusing to pull a Rigo. Just ain’t in his nature. But I agree. Sure that was a real booming right hand that knocked Loma on his ass. But other than that Loma was in charge. And what’s with bullshit regarding a controversial stoppage. Loma completely plowed the air out of the guy!
      2. Yeah why is everyone having so much trouble pronouncing Roma-chinko’s name. ( Ooops couldn’t resist ). So what did you think of that No Mas-Chenko moniker that was sweeping the nation?
      3. I forgot to send an e-mail over the Canelo situation. I just wanted to see the rematch because I was so curious to see how long it took before Canelo was done hulking up and smearing the GGGoof-boy all over his oversized mitt.
      4. So what was the question? Actually let’s change the topic. Speaking of hulk-sized Mexicans how about little Saddam Ali getting grinded up by that big Mexican Meat-Tenderizer with the boxing gloves. Not that I blame that Mexican for that. He originally wanted to beat on FaGGG-Boy but the commission decided he wasn’t ready and instead yanked some tired old junior-welter out of his rocker and fed him to GGG. Just a reason to keep GGG safe so he can make his multimillions with his good buddy Canelo. Got to let the BiGGG Baby have his bottle.

  • ceylon mooney

    WBC dropped canelo

    • Stephen M

      They dropped him where?

      • ceylon mooney

        off the rankings

      • Orca

        off at the nearest VADA test house for registration. Hopefully.

        • Stephen M

          Haha. You wish.

      • Giuseppe

        into a barn full of roided bulls, ready to fuck.

        • Orca

          A tad extreme and an unpleasant image to say the least. And with his red hair he’s gonna be all the more appealing to the frisky bulls.

          • Giuseppe

            it’s in the book of revelations…

          • Randall Bannister

            *Revelation.

            Please don’t misquote the good book…😂

          • Koninbeor

            Nah, he was talking about Revelations (Heritage of Power Book 2) by Lindsay Buroker. The Bible doesn’t have much boxing in it.

      • Stephen M

        ”The WBC followed through on its promise to remove Canelo Alvarez from its middleweight rankings for failing to re-enroll in its Clean Boxing Program.”

        Now that is a seriously bad look for someone undergoing a suspension for testing positive to clenbuterol. You almost have to ask ”are they doing this stuff on purpose”? It’s hard to think of worse PR. Or is all publicity good publicity now?

        • D. Gambino

          I believe the WBC did that to set an example. However, once Alvarez fights again – they will be forced to rank him. In my eyes, this is more about “good publicity” for WBC. Boxing politics at its finest!

          • Stephen M

            Well, it’s a good move for the WBC. I’m surprised because Sulaiman treated Canelo like his boyfriend. But why the hell isn’t Canelo signed up?

          • James Otis

            He just got in a fresh supply of tainted meat.

        • ceylon mooney

          suleiman was kissin his ass during the hole PEDs news cycle.

          hah hah hah cycle

      • nick hapta

        dropped him off at his Taco stand, where else?

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        In a desert somewhere in Mexico.

        • Stephen M

          You wish.

  • Stephen M

    They had that shot of a jubilant Oscar when Loma went down but we didn’t get to see his face when Linares went down and out. Pity…

    • TNT

      That’s the closeup I wanted to see! FYI, ODH is involved in yet another sex scandal-/it is all over Spanish language media.

      • Giuseppe

        what’s the story? something about kitchen utensils, right? hoe does this guy have time to think about ring rankings?

        • D. Gambino

          He doesn’t. He has minions to do that for him.

        • TNT

          Yeah jajajaja. They tried to extort him.

      • Michael Montero

        Bet you were glad to see a non Indio Latin lose.

        • TNT

          What? Latins are from Latium. Don’t you have some right-wing xenophobic anti-immigrant rally to attend in some corner of the uk?

          • Michael Montero

            Okay lndio supremacist

          • TNT

            No such thing. But White supremacy movements are very real historically up to the present.

            P.S. It is extremely disrespectful to refer to any Mexican as “Indio”. Please refrain from doing so.

          • Michael Montero

            No I won’t refrain from doing so mr la raza. And what power do white supremacists have in the U.S?

          • TNT

            Bet if I was the object of your perverted attention (e.g., a Spaniard) , you would be genie-like, “ your wish is my command.”

            Funny, you use phrases like La Raza (a concept conjured by elitist Mexicans of European ancestry to create a unified national identity that valued European ideal over all else).

            Don’t you have to be at some secret meeting to vent out your anger about Sub-Saharan Africans and Muslims?

    • John Swan

      He was bent over snorting his sorrows away.

      • Chris Stans

        He should be careful about bending over, wouldn’t want a spatula to fall out.

    • ciobanu catalin

      The only thing i loved in that picture, was the guy behind de la hoya wearing a ggg tshirt and flashing to the camera to spite oscar :)))

      • Captain Napalm

        Dang! Maybe I’ll show up at GGG’s next fight wearing a Loma shirt.

      • I met that dude and his girlfriend (also in the shot) at Jimmy’s Corner on Thursday and Friday night. Cool cat. He runs a gym in NYC.

    • Arjay Cee

      Exactly what I thought, Stephen!

      Oh well, Oscar: there are always the kitchen utensils to comfort a man.

      • Stephen M

        Dare I ask? What does he do with the kitchen utensils?

        • Jody Hanna

          I don’t think he’s cooking with them.

          • Stephen M

            I guess I just don’t have a good imagination. I could figure out what he could do with a carrot but not a utensil..

        • Arjay Cee

          Ah. I am referring to the claims in the gutter press that he was recently set up by two young women seeking to charge him for a certain salacious video. Kitchen utensils seem to have figured in their, er, mise en scene.

    • Captain Napalm

      Oscar probably had that same face he had when B-Hop dropped him with that sharp little poke to the liver.

  • Stephen M

    Haney looked real good but something tells me he won’t be getting much love around here.

    • D. Gambino

      I liked Haney’s performance as well. I’m definitely putting him on my list of fighters to watch. Unfortunately his performance will be greatly overshadowed by a fight of the year contender in Loma/Linares.

    • Michael Montero

      What are you alluding to?

  • philoe bedoe

    Great mailbag again Doug.
    Full credit to both Loma and Linares for putting on probably my favourite fight of the year so far……………..

    • Mario Toney(soulful

      Dougie is a great writer .He knows his stuff I been following him for years.

      • philoe bedoe

        I agree, that’s the reason I give him credit every time I post on here………………….

      • Julio

        He kinda drops the ball here and there but his work is stellar for the most part.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Hurd-Lara still more FOTY material, but this was even higher quality.

    • Observer

      It’s weird. I wanted to show a Loma fight to my wife. She used to love how Calzaghe dominated Lacy (even though she doesn’t follow boxing). After this fight I decided not to show it to her, because Loma doesn’t visibly dominate in the fight. Yet, for me, this is a better fight than all the previous ones. Loma bested the opponent but the opponent came closer than any of the others. I don’t know when we will see another fighter giving Loma a close fight… it might be a while.

      • philoe bedoe

        Garcia as the best chance of beating him imo.
        Even though to do it he’d probably have to ko him after taking a boxing lesson.
        He’s the one with the accuracy and power…………

  • philoe bedoe

    I always thought that Kovalev would be the only boxer at 168 or 175 who would of had a good chance of stopping Froch.
    But now after the Ward fight, I could see maybe a late come from behind ko by the Cobra………….

    • Captain Napalm

      Yeah I can see the Cobra wearing down Kovalev. However, considering that he was easier to hit than Ward he’ll probably be needing another nose-job after the smoke cleared

      • philoe bedoe

        I agree, he’d have to take some serious stiff jabs and big right hands if he was to win.
        And probably the beating of his life…………

  • Left Hook2

    How long would Munguia have lasted with GGG?
    And is Canelo next for him?

    • Stephen M

      There isn’t much from Saturday to tell us how Munguia would handle GGG’s punches. We can definitely say he would get hit. I don’t know how he handles them. Power wise, he would probably have Golovkin’s respect.
      I think Canelo will go with Spike. At lot lower risk for similar reward. Unless he wants to defang the young lion before he gets too good…

      • Left Hook2

        This is what pisses me off about the NSAC playing ‘boxing god’ and not allowing the G-Munguia bout to come off. They don’t know how bouts will play out (except what the scorecards will show, of course), yet they can deny a fighter who can fight and accept a grappler who never has….uggg. OH well. He would get hit, but G better not come out cold…

        • Stephen M

          Have you looked at Munguia’s record? He had no one on his resume before Ali. That’s why Ali’s team chose him, they must have thought that the guy built up a record fighting nobodies. I can’t fault the NAC for not allowing the fight.

          • Left Hook2

            I agree…but the NAC allows mismatches day in and day out…

          • Stephen M

            True enough but Golovkin is a dangerous guy. They might have been worried about legal liability.

          • Left Hook2

            That makes sense. A guy like Wade who was the mandatory according to the sanctioning body takes NAC off the hook (puts the onus on the WBC, etc. for ranking him).

          • Rick

            All the commissions do really. When you got guys like Holyfield and Roy Jones fighting 20 years past their prime it’s kinda odd not letting a big strong undefeated guy fight. There probably just wasn’t enough payola for the NSAC in the Golovkin-Munigua fight.

          • william ellis

            Usually agree with you – here we differ. Ali and his camp must have known about Munguia’s potential. As Doug points out, a number of writers have been talking up Munguia (A number of posters, including myself, leaned toward Munguia on these pages before the fight).

            I think Ali wanted to avoid being called a cherry picker, and hoped his experience would carry him through a tough match-up. For that reason, Munguia looked like a good choice.

          • Stephen M

            Of course you may be right. I got this idea as I watched the fight on a French language channel here with promoter Yvon Michel from Gym doing the commentating. He didn’t know much about Munguia himself and speculated that Ali’s team probably thought that Munguia had a padded record and thus wasn’t a threat. I guess we would have to ask them…

          • Ten Count Toronto

            I agree with that point but their credibility is undermined by then turning round and approving Martirosyan off a 2 year layoff and no middleweight credentials either. I understand it was going to be a BS fight to save the “date” that had been invested in, but at least for appearance sakes there must have been some Middleweight with a winning record who had fought in the previous 12 months.

        • Julio

          It would have been irresponsible, and borderline criminal to allow a fighter with such limited credentials to go onto the biggest stage to face a murderer like GGG.

    • william ellis

      Maybe not all that long – he is very young, and Ali certainly looked like he belonged in a lower weight class – for the very good reason that he does. But Munguia could have a great future if he’s brought along right. As for Ali – I think he’s good, and might well find success if he drops back down in weight.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Longer than Martirosyan. And more exciting while it lasts. But unless GGG came in really cold and distracted, it would be too much too soon for Munguia, he might end up like a Pablo Caesar Cano.

  • Mario Toney(soulful

    I sure dont dont know why people keep saying they favor Loma over no Mikey Garcia .I sure hope they find me and want to bet some money!!!!!!! I been teaching martial arts and striking for years . Although I recognize not everyone has a certain type of ability. Linares showed flashes of what needs to be done .The thing that really set up him knocking Loma was those body shots.Loma was clearly bothered by the body attack and started whining about lowblows that really were not any lower than what he was throwing he was BOTHERED juts like Kovalev was. Thats what set him being knocked down. against Mikey .He will be sTOPPED inside 9 for that very reason.Mikey is way more accurate precise and has way better defense .plus is sTRONG as a Ox. you see the way did Broner. eASily. He will do Loma worse. count on it. IFFFF ARUM allows that fight lol. I ready body language well Arum is very uncomfortable with the mention of that fight for a reason he wont admit. every style has an achilles hill.I remember predicting Norton over Ali as a Teen people thought I was crazy. I see the same thing with Garcia.kryptonite for Loma .

    • Giuseppe

      i fancy Mikey, too. But i need to see him look good against Easter as although he got the job done vs Lipanets he got hit a lot, too. What lipanets does from here on out will tell us a lot about how good a win that was, i suppose. Garcia isn;t a great stalker. And Loma isn;t really a long distance fighter (especially if he is fighting guys with much longer arms). So Loma will come for Garcia, which Garcia would want. Hoep we see it in the next 12 months.

      • Mario Toney(soulful

        True Easter is definitely a challenge with the right gameplan . his length can pose a problem for anyone. However , timing beats speed. and mikey is very slick and he has that Duran timing that way of tapping you in between punches that hURTS. I think if he did not have those years off he would easily be top 3 pound for pound. I mean he has shined at several divisions just like Loma. lol Mikey should stay away from Spence though. I pick Mikey over Loma and Easter.I do like Loma however but I feel like he can be roughed up by the right fighters from 135 on up.He should stay at 130 the writing is on the wall. I mean Linares is tough but he has been stopped 3 times before Loma , He is not no Mikey nearly .I pick Tank over Loma in a couple more years also not right now though. he would get schooled.I love some of these young prospects boxings future is shaping up. .

        • Giuseppe

          i can see that. Davis is probably too raw now. but he is strong.

          • Julio

            He is not that raw my friend. He is a good thinker in there and knows how to create and see openings to exploit. Has heavy hands and put his punches together nicely with good emphasis in body punching.

          • Giuseppe

            true. maybe a little immature for the psychological / strategic battle that fighting loma would represent? I’d certainly like to see the matchup.

          • Julio

            I am not sure if anybody is really mature enough to take on Lomachenko right now.

        • ceylon mooney

          easter? game plan? naw man at world
          level hes just ok. that it. of course
          mikey
          handles him.

        • Ten Count Toronto

          Easter has no clue how to use height & reach. He actually makes his height work against himself. If he beats Garcia, it will be on toughness and hard work.

    • Left Hook2

      Loma made the right moves bringing the low blows to the refs attention. After the 25 nut shots he took vs Salido and the dozen Kov took vs Ward, it is obvious that when the strike zone is from the KNEE to the head, it is not within the rules. Plus, it might get the opponent to do less body work. Mikey is a heckuva fighter…but Loma is a heckuva fighter with more speed. It would no doubt be a great fight.

      • Mario Toney(soulful

        Lol Im old school. I dont believe in bringing nothing to the refs attention I believe in retaliation. I make sure to try to knock his damn nuts off if he is lowblowing send a message .lol usually the ones who start complaining are being bothered against someone with a ward, Duran bernard hopkins , James Toney, Aaron pryor they would of exploited that and started going downstairs more. let your trainer or corner do the whining….

        • Dug Fisher

          James Toney was just about the cleanest inside fighter the sport has ever had. He never felt the need to hit low, hit on the break, grapple, use elbows etc because he was so damn confident in his skills. And those skills were so subtle they weren’t always immediately obvious either.

        • Left Hook2

          I don’t disagree…but it was a smart move all the same. I do prefer retaliation…but retaliation may make you change your game to get back at them due to the opponent cheating. Your opponent should have to stop cheating.

          • ceylon mooney

            micky ward-zab judah had a good payback low blow

    • Stephen M

      You may be right of course, but we’ve never seen Garcia in against a guy with good, let alone excellent, footwork. Lipinets had a good measure of success against Garcia and he had his two feet stuck in cement.

      • nick hapta

        Mickey the killer. Who the hell has he fought with the skills and savy of Loma?
        Nobody, not even close. This guy has cherry picked his whole career. He’d be looking for lottery money to fight the Ukrainian.

    • Julio

      There is nothing on Garcia’s resume to substantiate your position. Mikey so far has feasted on stationary foes who come straight at him. He will pulverize those easily. He has never even sniffed anything remotely close to the puzzle that Lomachenko wil bring to him.

      • Michael Montero

        I really like Garcia but it’s clear he’s been we’ll matched. People act like he’s fought a murderers row.

    • Michael Montero

      Just say you hate white fighters.

  • learnmore

    I just watched the fight, I had it 86-84 to Linares like that 1 judge but I can understand 85-85. I thought Linares won 1,2,6,7,9, so I think all the judges scorecards were good. Linares won 3-5 rounds before the TKO10. I think 135lb is the ceiling for Loma, obvious route for him is Beltran> Garcia v Easter jr winner for all 4 major titles.

    I personally would like him to return to 130lb & fight the better 130lb fighters Berchelt, Davis, Machado.

    • Mario Toney(soulful

      Yeah he should stay at 130. He will beat Beltran though but He has found the ceiling he definitely better stay away from 140….. I think loma beats easter to. not Garcia however. I do not think we will see Arum let him fight Garcia unless his contract is about up or he is on the way down and he dont need him anymore. or the money is astronomical…lol I could be wrong though.I just know arum has lasted for a reason he keeps great matchmakers and he knows Mikey is a BIIIG problem lol . he didnt want to let Mikey go.

    • william ellis

      I had the same score and agree about Loma’s ceiling for now – he’ll likely get heavier in a few years.

      • Julio

        Lomachenko don’t have “a few years” to get heavier. At 30, and with a style that is purely predicated on athletic as much as technical ability, he will need to continue to push the envelope before those skills and athleticism start to erode. Once he loses half a step, he is finished.

        • william ellis

          good points.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Unfortunately it seems Berchelt would sooner hump a mound of army ants than fight a live body any time soon and we can conclude as much about a Salido rematch so sadly there is no alternative to the Lightweight route since the only opponents willing to fight Lomachenko at 130 are guys nobody cares about or gives a chance in hell of winning.

      • learnmore

        I disagree, Lomachenko pulled the A side power play on Berchelt. Berchelt was the WBO mandatory to Rocky Martinez, Martinez v Berchelt was scheduled for March 2016. Martinez said he had an injury & pulled out. The WBO allowed Berchelt to fight for the WBO interim title to keep his mandatory position, while he was waiting on Martinez the rumours spread that Martinez v Lomachenko was a done deal. I think eventually they gave Berchelt step aside money & the winner was suppose to fight Brchelt who was still the mandatory.

        Then TR done another play on Berchelt, made Lomachenko v Walters. I dont know if Berchelt got stepaside for that, but Berchelt obviously got fed up waiting for his WBO shot. Decided to go the WBC route fought Fransisco Vargas & won the WBC 130lb title instead.

        Berchelt have said many times that he wants the Lomachenko fight.

    • Alan

      Punches landing on gloves or glancing from Linares should not have been scored equally with the direct hits that Lomachenko landed, throughout. If Linares won three rounds, it would be generous, frankly.

      • learnmore

        I dont get this response, Lomachenko won. Why are you trying to diminish the amount of rounds Linares won. Most people gave Linares 3-5 rounds, generally 6,7,9 was given to Linares & it all depends on who you gave 1 & 2 too.

        Saying 3 rounds would be genrous is laughable, he won minimum 3 rounds.

  • learnmore

    Congrats to Munguia, Liam Smith reckons he’s still next in line, hopefully Ali is alright & return to welterweight. I see some funny comments all over the internet from people who never knew who Munguia was a few weeks ago when he was on the shortlist to be GGG’s opponent.

  • learnmore

    Lets not go over the top RING, Fury beat Sam Sexton that does not jump him up to the top 10. I would like to Fury challenge Kabayel for the European title.

  • Dee Money

    I imagine this will catch some flak for being too big a talent disparity, seeing as one fighter is a top 5 all time p4p guy and the other has only had a dozen pro bouts, but stylistically how fun is it to go over a MM between Loma and Armstrong?

    The ultimate in your chest pressure fighter vs the Matrix

    • Randall Bannister

      You have to take Armstrong.

      • Dee Money

        Oh i agree, but just the contrast of styles intrigues me

    • Jody Hanna

      Hank would be all over him like a soup sandwich.

    • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

      Lomie my homie would send Neil Armstrong back to the moon!

  • Randall Bannister

    With the ESPN cheerleaders I do have one point to make, I thought Tim Bradley tried his damndest to even the score. He was the only one truly acknowledging Linares’ work. With all the cheerleading happening, I found that I was watching more for the work Linares did to make sure I ‘scored’ objectively, however after a second viewing I think it made me more subjective. Still…WHAT A FIGHT!

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Totally agree I think it detracted from the appreciation of the fight and gave unnecessary ammunition to haters who claim Lomachenko gets some sort of unwaranted preferential treatment.

  • ciobanu catalin

    Meanwhile canelo is ready for septembers middleweight bout, looking strong as ever, man that mexican fresh air is strong … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae520612d1f27eea8844a8197a19bf10e1f3af9debd9b9c7b4b52a161bb72df.jpg

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Can you do one of him in a mohawk with Road Warrior Animal make up studded accessories?

      • ciobanu catalin

        Nope. But ive got another one up my sleeve and im locked and loaded gunning for canelo and that ring title of his :))

    • LOMATARD

      Getting better on memes huh

      • ciobanu catalin

        :))

  • Arjay Cee

    Doug: “I’d love to see him in a unification match against Jarrett Hurd and/or Jermell Charlo,”

    Hear, hear! The faster Munguia is moved into these fights, the happier a boxing fan I am. I’d slightly pick him now to out-Hurd Hurd in a slugfest. Need to see him against other top competition before I’d pick between him and Charlo, but…Ali is slick, and Munguia beat the slickness out of him. You don’t do that simply because your guy is chinny and/or you’re ferociously strong.

    Side note. Have to agree with the HBO commentators that just about everyone in a position of responsibility failed Ali in that fight — corner, judges, doctors — letting him take way too many punches. Combine that with a guy with balls of steel like Ali who won’t quit and you are unnecessarily courting tragedy.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Sadam Ali is not the same league as Trout & Lara. But I would like to see Hurd get different test – a young, hard hitting predator – it brings a physical and psychological dimension that’s been sorely lacking in Hurd’s other opponents. You never know.

      If Hurd’s people feel they’d win the fight, they should take it. If Hurd grinds him down like the others, it makes the Charlo fight bigger. If Hurd is forced box and wins that way, he proves he’s not one-dimensional and that also makes the Charlo fight bigger. It definitely builds up the Charlo fight … unless he looses of course.

      • Arjay Cee

        Nice analysis.

    • Left Hook2

      Seems like I every site that I see has fans requesting that fight. Seems to me that if everyone wants it…it is the time to make it!

  • Gopal Rao

    “With any form of news/entertainment media – from newspapers to magazines to networks – there’s an editorial/artistic side and there’s a business side. In an ideal world there’s a separation of church and state, but I think you’re old enough to know that we don’t live in an ideal world.”

    I interpret this to mean that the Ring Magazine owner told the Editor that Canelo gets to keep the Ring Magazine Middleweight Title even though Ring’s policy would have been to strip him of the title.

    • Stephen M

      Dougie has been pretty clear that that is the case.

  • Charlie U.

    Fantastic atmosphere at the Garden. It was a great night for boxing. After the fight, there was a big group of fans standing outside (mostly Ukrainian), singing and chanting. My group and I got caught up in it and was awesome. Again, great night of boxing and being there to see it live will go right up there with the very best memories I have of the sport.

    • Koninbeor

      Gotta say, Charlie, I’m jealous. Glad you could be there, though. That experience is on my bucket list.

      • Charlie U.

        Thanks, man. If Loma-Garcia happens at MSG and the finances are ok, you should seriously consider it. Bring the whole family on vacation to NY.

    • Orca

      You sure picked a great fight. Nice.

      • Charlie U.

        Taylor – Postol is a good one, too. Let us know what the environment is like at that one.

    • JV316

      that’s awesome, the atmosphere came through on the broadcast i thought, seemed great. i’ve noticed the last couple of times that lomachenko likes to walk to MSG when he fights there, no headphones just taking in the feel of the city, love that.

      was interesting to hear “mr. honda” yelling at linares in japanese in his corner and linares responding, linares is an interesting dude

      • Charlie U.

        That video of him walking into MSG was so bad-ass. Yeah, the Loma Garden experience is awesome. I’m looking forward to more big ones there in the future, although it’s cool that he’ll be fighting at the Forum next. You going?

        • JV316

          i saw that the forum is next, definitely thinking about it man. i was ringside at the loma/walters fight in vegas so i’ve seen him live once but would like to check out a loma fight again. i think superfly 3 and the canelo/ggg fight will be around the same time so will have to think about it. i’ve never really been to a big mega fight i usually go to smaller shows….

          • Charlie U.

            Loma-Walters was a cool one to be at! Who would have thought it would end that way? The beginning of Nomaschenko. Every fight atmosphere is good but the mega fights are special. I’m going to try once again (for the 3rd time) to get GGG-Canelo tickets. I’m not optimistic, but if I can get the cheapest ones I’m going! Lol. Hey, I sort of pegged you for Andrew from Chula Vista. Is that you?

          • JV316

            yeah man it was disappointing that it wasn’t more competitive but it was amazing to watch loma work (especially the footwork)…definitely considering attending canelo/ggg as well, if you end up getting tix let me know. btw no i’m not andrew from chula vista but that’s not a bad guess, i guess i’m jerry from los angeles lol, i’ve written to doug a couple of times but it’s been many years, he did post them and respond though! i think i wrote in about friday night fights? shows you how long it’s been lol.

  • Ten Count Toronto

    Froch over Kovalev any weight, any time, including tomorrow if he were to unretire.

    • Mauro Hermida

      As much as I am a fan of Froch, Kovalev is the better boxer and his power is too great for Froch’s good chin to take round after round.

      • Ten Count Toronto

        I’m not convinced we’d see Kovalev attacking with power punches “rpund after round” if he were met with stubron resistence and roughouse tactics. He does have a great jab and outside boxing game, but I’ll want to see it stand up to pressure. Kovalev seems too willing to settle for me to pick him over Froch.

    • Alan

      Could be a good fight, but I pick Kovalev. He’s more spectacular and all-time great than Froch, who barely cracks that circle. Ultimately suspect he would overwhelm Froch. You basically have to be Andre Ward to beat Kovalev, and we found out, convincingly, that Froch is no Andre Ward in one of the most impressive bouts of Ward’s career.

  • Autosmell

    1. Last week yall talk bout how Devine Haney bite off more than he can chew and now you sheeps quite. Ha ha ha ha ha!

    2. Smh now you sheeps change the object and talk bout GGG illidigitit son Loma.

    3. Yall say it was posed to be a big test. Ha ha ha ha ha! Devine whoop that boy from ding to dong in the hood we call that a dna test.

    4. Now that Rob guy mad thats why he aint here.

    5. What do you think swan?

    • Captain Napalm

      1. Divine who?? Dang I gotta stop barging into the tail end of these brilliant talks.
      2. Damn right dude. Some of us are sicker than shit over hearing about FaGGG-boy all time. No way Loma shares the same genes with GGGoof-boy.
      3. This just in. Scientists gave GGG a DNA test to figure out what he is. They still can’t decide.
      4. GGG isn’t the center of attention this week. That’s why Robert ain’t here. He’s probably in his little den right now getting a huge hard-on staring at his big life-sized poster of GGG.
      5. Swan thinks that Bawlbags are great and Smellbags are gay. I’m sure he when he said “gay” he means you make him laugh. Not in the FaGGG type of gay. We won’t lump you with GGGoof. Don’t worry.

  • Don Badowski

    Stefan Friedman = Shaggy Dog Story
    It’s been bothering me since I read the updated standings article from a few days ago. Where had I heard a story like this before? I was reminded of an M. Night Shyamalan movie, where the pointless conclusion comes out of nowhere.
    For quite a while now, I have been hoping that the Ring staff, especially Mr. Fisher, would treat Alvarez like any other boxer, and dish out fair criticism for his deceptions, broken promises and outright lies. Just don’t treat him like the pet dog of your boss. You know, the dog who pisses on your leg, growls at you if you get to close, and you can’t do anything about it because the dog is the Life and Joy of your boss?
    I was always left disappointed. Instead we got excuses about how it is a good thing that we were made to wait two years for the bout that was promised to us. That it was a good thing the fight ended in a draw, thanks to some scorecards that made the rest of the boxing media sick. That we had to make allowances for Canelo, because he had down so much at such a young age. We should accept that he wanted to fight Khan to get ready for Golovkin. We should accept and smile and stand with him when he dumps the WBC belt and points a finger at them for being unfair, not letting him take another tune-up.
    But this time, the Ring staff had no choice. It was either strip Alvarez by their very own rules, or look like patsies to Oscar. They were locked in, no escape.
    And then, a miracle happens! Hallelujah! Stefan Friedman, who we never heard of before February and never since, says No. The newly appointed publisher shall make the decision, and he says No. What a surprise. No. Appointed by Oscar, who we are told keeps his hands off the decisions that the ratings panel make, and what the writers write. It’s all on Stefan Friedman, Boogie Man.
    But there is good news. The Rings PED policy will be reviewed. And refined. And realigned. And it will evolve with the times. It will be a policy that Stefan Friedman, and Oscar, and Doug, and all the ratings panel and writers can be proud of.