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Ring Ratings update: Lomachenko wins RING lightweight title, moves up P4P rankings

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Vasiliy Lomachenko was considered pound-for-pound No. 1 by many fans and media, including ESPN.com, before his thrilling up-from-the-canvas stoppage of Jorge Linares on Saturday. Depending on who you ask, winning THE RING and WBA lightweight titles from the marvelously talented Venezuelan veteran either confirmed Lomachenko’s lofty status or proved that he’s not quite there yet.

Boxing’s longest reigning world champion, Gennady Golovkin, is No. 1 in THE RING’s pound-for-pound rankings. The Boxing Writer’s Assoc. of America places two-division champ Terence Crawford at the top of its mythical rankings. (In truth, boxing fans can’t go wrong with any pound-for-pound ranking combination of Golovkin, Crawford and Lomachenko as long as they’re in the top three.)

An argument can be made for any of the three being No. 1, but Lomachenko’s stats are undeniable. The brilliant boxing Ukrainian, one of the greatest amateurs ever, has won world titles in three divisions in just 12 pro fights, and the wizardly southpaw can count Linares, Guillermo Rigondeaux and Gary Russell Jr. – all highly skilled boxers – among his victims.

On the other hand, some believe that THE RING’s 2017 Fighter of the Year struggled against Linares, who was not in anyone’s pound-for-pound rankings and had the look of a fading fighter in his previous two bouts (a controversial split nod over Luke Campbell and a lackluster unanimous decision over Mercito Gesta). Many press row observers (including this one) had the fight even (85-85) after nine rounds.

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However, Lomachenko (11-1, 9 knockouts) did what the special competitors do when their backs are against the wall – he took his game to another level, overwhelming Linares with a fierce combination punctuated with a perfect body shot in Round 10.

Several members of the Ratings Panel, most of whom believed that the two-time Olympic gold medalist was in complete control of the fight apart from Round 6 when he was dropped by a Linares right hand, suggested moving Lomachenko from No. 3 to No. 1 in THE RING’s pound-for-pound rankings. Others, who thought Linares (44-4, 27 KOs) won at least three rounds, were hesitant to move Lomachenko up that far. The Editorial Board decided to move Lomachenko up one spot, past his Top Rank stablemate (Crawford) and within striking distance of GGG.

Divisional rankings changes:

Cruiserweight – No. 6-rated Krzysztof Glowacki (30-1, 19 KOs) holds his place after scoring a first-round knockout of Santander Silgado on May 12 in Poland. No. 10-rated Andrew Tabiti (16-0, 13 KOs) moves up one spot to No. 9 (switching places with Ilunga Makubu) after stopping Lateef Kayode in six rounds on May 11 in Las Vegas.

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Junior middleweight – Unrated Jaime Munguia (29-0, 25 KOs), THE RING’s 2017 Prospect of the Year, enters the rankings at No. 4 with a brutal, WBO title-winning fourth-round stoppage of Sadam Ali on May 12 in Verona, New York. Ali (26-2, 14 KOs), who is probably better served heading back to welterweight, drops from the 154-pound rankings.

Lightweight – Lomachenko is the new RING champ. Linares drops to the No. 1 spot, displacing Mikey Garcia. The decision for Linares’ placement did not come without some debate (it’s no secret how much hardcore fans and Panel members LOVE Mikey). Anson Wainwright thought Linares only had a few “moments” against Lomachenko and suggested dropping him at No. 2 behind Garcia.

Marty Mulcahey and Mike Coppinger agreed. “Linares got the moral victory, but I’d go Garcia No. 1, then Linares,” said Coppinger.

Michael Montero and Adam Abramowitz disagreed.

Linares nails Lomachenko with a right. Photo / Hoganphotos

“Linares should be rated No. 1 right behind Lomachenko as the champ,” said Montero. “Garcia has done nothing in the division since his one fight at 135 pounds last January. Linares being competitive with Loma over 10 rounds and dropping him trumps anything Garcia has done in years in my opinion.”

Added Abramowitz: “I’d still rank Linares higher than Mikey at lightweight. He was excellent on Saturday and has a better body of work in the division.”

Talented Devin Haney (19-0, 13 KOs), who stopped Mason Menard (33-2, 24 KOs) after nine rounds on May 11, received recognition from several Panel members, who view the 19-year-old as a future contender.

Junior lightweight – No. 1-rated Lomachenko, who, prior to Saturaday’s showdown, stated that he would remain at lightweight if he beat Linares (and is expected to unify 135-pound belts against WBO boss Ray Beltran on August 25), exits the 130-pound rankings, making room for Russia’s Evgeny Chuprako (19-0, 10 KOs) to enter at No. 10. Unbeaten prospects Andy Vences (20-0-1, 12 KOs) and Erik DeLeon (17-0-1, 10 KOs), who fought to a 10-round majority draw in March, hover just outside the top 10.

Junior featherweight – No. 3-rated Rey Vargas (32-0, 22 KOs) defended his WBC title for the third time against Azat Hovhannisyan (14-3, 11 KOs) in the co-feature to the Ali-Munguia card. Although the Panel believes Vargas has a stronger overall resume than No. 2-rated Isaac Dogboe, they weren’t impressed by what they saw from the 27-year-old Mexican stringbean against the rugged but unheralded Armenian fringe contender. Thus, Vargas stays put at No. 3.

 

 

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  • ciobanu catalin

    Everyone knows he is the purest and best boxer on the planet already. He fought the best and stiffest competition lately, compared to anyone on the p4p list, challenged himself most, including poor bud or ggg(not their fault) so he deserves it most. I also think linares for no 1 spot and mickey behind is very good choise, unlike your middleweight champ

    • Giuseppe

      If GGG beats Canelo, he will have the toughest run to stay on top. they all want him now he is creaking a bit, those brave souls.

      All these rankings are on hold anyway because Wilder is gonna KO Joshua AND HIMSELF with one flailing punch. then he comes in at #1.

      • Nathan Dryden

        If he can time a Fury like uppercut you may be right !!

  • Dug Fisher

    Lomachenko’s the best in boxing right now.

    A marvellous performance last Saturday against a clearly bigger, highly skilled and motivated veteran champ. Repeated viewings convinced me Loma was nearly always one step ahead of Linares and, when it seemed like the defending title holder’s greater physicality might be starting to pay dividends, Lomachenko took it to another level like the recognised greats were able to.

    Vasiliy’s resume is looking really strong after only 12 fights and in a mythical world where all the top fighters weighed the same, I’d favour him to come out on top in a round robin. 135lb is a danger zone though, with the presence of Mikey Garcia.

    Seems a shame we might never again see Lomachenko at his most dominant, but if the trade off for that is potentially greater accomplishments then I’ll take it. This guy dares to be great.

    • Left Hook2

      Agree with that last statement. Greater accomplishments don’t necessarily make better fights or give us the fighter at their best. I would take RJJ at 168 all day over watching him decision a LHW or Ruiz. Loma may prove us wrong—Duran was only 5’7″ with a 66″ reach, Pernell 5’6″, 69″ reach. If Loma is as ‘great’ as many believe, he won’t be able to use the small frame as an excuse to not conquer at least welterweight. How unbelievable would that be? Of course, same-day weigh-ins might have had something to do with a more level playing field.

      • Dug Fisher

        I don’t think Lomachenko’s ‘Duran’ great, but then, who was/is? I can’t think of any other former lightweight champ who could hang with a prime Hagler. Stuffy old timers might suggest Hammerin’ Hank but I beg to differ. You had to get Hagler’s respect AND be cute with it at the same time.

        Vasiliy still some way behind the brilliant Sweetpea too, but I remember Whitaker taking enough lumps against the otherwise outclassed JC Vasquez at 154lb to state he was done with that division. Back to welter he went (incidentally never any ‘catch-weight’ BS for Pernell in an effort to hamper the efforts of bigger men, as we are seeing far too often these days).

        A part of me wants to see Loma do the same and return to 130lb. I love Garcia and I don’t want to downplay a possible Mikey victory if that match comes to fruition (I favour Loma around 65/35 via decision) but I think, if he does, greater size will be the deciding factor. In a pound for pound sense, I’m convinced the smaller man is the superior man. But a victory over Mikey at 135lb would just be a wonderful accomplishment.

        I’m glad you mentioned the absent of same day weigh ins today. It is indeed another factor to consider in assessing certain matchups and the significance of certain wins. Linares looked huge against Loma, Garcia would probably look bigger still.

        • Here’s Barley!

          Agree. I fear Henry Armstrong would have been horribly outclassed and stopped by Hagler – because the easily marked-up facially ‘Homicide Hank’s aggressive, whirlwind attacking style would very likely have seen him chopped to pieces by a larger, stronger, super-talented master counter-puncher like Marvin.

          I always felt the lightweight version of Roberto Duran would have lost to Armstrong – because back then Duran too was also a highly-aggressive, human whirlwind of a fighter. Yet the lightweight Roberto wasn’t QUITE as good as Armstrong at that game – and would likely have lost narrowly in a furious encounter.

          However, by the time Duran (ATG 3 imo) arrived at 154 and beyond, the highly-aggressive whirlwind had been replaced by a pure boxing genius who compensated for his lack of natural size by defly taking apart larger fighters with sublime counterpunching prowess. The same prowess that saw an ageing, far smaller Duran defeat the hulking Iran Barkley (Ring Fight of the Year 89) – and so very nearly unseat a prime Hagler when going so close on frequently out-counterpunching THAT counterpunching ‘Marvel’.

          However, the middleweight Henry Armstrong was the same whirlwind of a champion we saw at featherweight and lightweight – and that’s why an Armstrong less adaptable than Duran would have been no match for the slashing, ripping fists of Hagler.

          One of the great curses of modern boxing is the sport’s lack of strength in depth forces potentially great champions to move up through divisions far faster than their predecessors – – indulged with greatness-defining talent everywhere – ever had to.

          But even by today’s relatively piss-poor standards Loma’s rise up through the divisions is being conducted at breakneck speed – hence it’s likely to be sooner rather than later that we see this superb champion get handed his head for no other reason than the opposition just got TOO big.

          Oh, to have seen this guy back in the heady days of a Camacho, Sweat Pea, Rosario or Chavez. Yet I figure the excellent-though-far-from-great Mikey’s likey to be Loma’s limit, as. like you, I feel a Crawford or Spence would be asking just too much of this wonderful fighter.

          Born to late.
          .

        • Here’s Barley!

          One of the great curses of modern boxing is the sport’s lack of strength in depth forces potentially great champions to move up through divisions far faster than their predecessors – indulged with greatness-defining talent in every division as they were – ever had to.

          But even by today’s relatively piss-poor standards, Loma’s rise up through the divisions is being conducted at breakneck speed – hence it’s likely to be sooner rather than later that we get to see this superb champion handed his head for no other reason than the opposition just got TOO large.

          Oh, to have seen Lomachenko compete back in the head eras of a Loma, Sweat Pea, Rosario or Chavez. Yet I figure the excellent-though-far-from-ATG great Mikey will prove Loma’s limit, as – like you – I feel Crawford or Spence would be asking just too much of this wonderful fighter.

          Born to late.
          .

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Truth said so pointedly but eloquently, Barley!

        • Here’s Barley!

          I fear Henry Armstrong would have been horribly outclassed and stopped by Hagler, Dug – because the easy-to-mark-up-facially ‘Homicide Hank’s whirlwind attacking style would likely have seen him chopped to pieces by a stronger, larger, master-counterpuncher like Marvin.

          Now if Armstrong had met the lightweight version of Duran – then I would favour Armstrong to win. At 135 Duran, too, was a raging whirlwind of a fighter – yet nobody fights THAT game quite as well as a Hank who would have narrowly outpointed Duran in a thriller.

          Yet by the time the incomparable Duran (ATG no 3 IMO) arrived at 154 and beyond – the highly aggressive whirlwind seen at LW had been replaced by a boxing genius who relied on counterpunching wizardry to overcome far larger fighters like Barkley (Ring Fight of the Year 89) and, ALMOST, that far larger counterpuncher Hagler himself.

          On the contrary, the middleweighteweight Henry Armstrong was pretty much the same whirlwind of a fighter everyone saw at featherweight and lightweight – and that’s why an Armstrong far LESS ADAPTABLE than the Duran would have proved no match for the slashing, ripping fists of the far larger Hagler.
          .

        • Left Hook2

          Great post. I can’t add to that.

      • Here’s Barley!

        The great Duran should never be used as a yardstick when measuring the possible greatness of another – for the Panamanian legend, ATG 3 IMO behind only Ali and Robinson is in a catagory all of his own. In short, you can be an ATG fighter – yet still be some way short of being what the incomparable Duran was.

        Pernell Whitaker is a better candidate by which to compare the potential ATG status of another – although Sweat Pea himself resides in the upper echelons of ATG for many by creepimg into their ATG Top 10 (you can be great yet still some way short of Pete too). Yet Whitaker was some way naturally larger than Loma – and Pete also benefitted up at 147 with having just missed a terrifying calibre of welterweight who had reigned just a short while before him(Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, Duran). All of those legends would undoubtedly have proved a step too far for Pete at 147.

        Your final point about same-day weigh-ins is an excellent one.
        ,

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Manny Pacquiao is only 5’6″ and conquered eight world boxing divisions. Lomo should really not use his so called small frame as excuse to avoid a fight with Manny. Truth to tell, Lomo is as big or even bigger than Manny physically especially at fight time when he magically transforms his frame from a super featherweight to a welterweight after rehydraring. That’s the secret to his phenomenal success in the lower weights.

        • Left Hook2

          Nice try Teddy. He weighed 138 vs Linares (152). Loma has no chance at 8 divisions because he didn’t join the pro ranks when he was 105 lbs. That is why I was comparing him to other fighters who made jumps later in their careers. Yes, Manny is in that group as well. I hope I didn’t you or any others who might have a favorite who has accomplished something that I happened to overlook…jeez…
          Manny had something that Loma does not—superhuman punching power. That is why none of the bigger fighters could bully him. Loma will have to win boxing matches, with kayos the aberration.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Loma has weighed as high as 142 in his two previous fights before this. He tapered off for the Linares bout perhaps to keep his speed advantage. Linares on the other hand bulked up, sacrificing his speed for power. Anyway, Loma has to fight at higher divisions where greater fame and bigger money are.

          • Left Hook2

            What is he wearing at the unofficial weigh in? You don’t know. Manny at his current state loses badly to Loma. At 130 at their primes would be an incredible bout…which Manny would most likely win. He is an ATG

  • Giuseppe

    GGG will either have to fight two times and win well (against good fighters) in both or just fight once and TKO Canelo to stay top come the end of the year, i reckon.

    Loma will best Beltran i think, then he will fight one more time. Not sure what fight would be good for him at the end of the year… maybe drop down and face berchelt… or rematch linares if linares impresses in an interim fight. either way, loma could have three nice wins vs GGG’s Vanes & Canelo outcome. My guess is, the Ring will put Canelo top based on his sparring record whilst banned 🙂

    I think Crawford is *amazing* but he hasn’t really beaten anyone i’d even call a B+ level talent. So i would have SSR 3rd, on the strength of his last 3 fights alone. He is a nightmare for anyone in his division or the next division up, most likely. And i think he is down to fight Estrada again. Beating him twice, if that’s the way it goes, would be quite an achievement. Wonder if he could fight nietes after that?

    After the top 3, it all becomes messy.

    1. GGG
    2. Loma
    3. SSR

    • ceylon mooney

      rungvisais resume is better than anyone elses. even tho gonz looked like shit, SSR wasted him then beat estrada. those two names beat one linares. lomas is daaaaam close. however, NO WAY id say SSR is better than lomachenko.

      i gotta go with loma as pfp #1

      no prob with linares bein #1 at 135. objectively measured, hes #1. no way hes better than garcia, but this aint a mythical ranking.

      on pfp dont have to go on resume alone.

      • Giuseppe

        good points. If i could pick my size and fight in any division… the first guy i’d avoid might be SSR. You just KNOW he likes a night of violence!

      • Alan

        Seriously? lol. You are touting Sor Rungvisai after his embarrassing and dud-like non-boxing previous performance? The guy’s claim to fame is now that he stole the potential 50 – 0 legacy of Chocolatito in one of the worst judging decisions of all time.

        • ceylon mooney

          your come off like you didnt read my post.

          gonz beat him 9-3 (conservatively) the first fight. yeah. but there was a rematch.

          you see the rematch?

          he beat estrada next.

          so…2 legit wins over estrada and gonz (tho he looked half dead that rematch).

          no other active top fighter has that resume. u think jacobs is as good as gonz? how about linares? he aint better than estrada, and neither is narvaez. limpinets aint in their league, and neither is indongo or postol. donaire was AGES AGO. theres an expiration date.

          a close second would be alvarez, who is damn good, but thats one signature win against an elite fighter. kovalev beat ward the first time, but it was damn close, and ward took the fight out of him the rematch. hopkins…the only active fighter with a resume that comes close to SSR is kovalev, but thats only if u accept his win against ward first time around.

          as ive pointed out, the most current significant wins over elite fighters are on SSRs resume.

          and, as i said, i wouldnt put him at the top, but his recent resume isnt up for debate.

          estrada and gonz are a cut above anyone the other top pfp guys have beaten.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            I agree. Based on calibre of last two opponents, Sor Rungvusai should be up there in top 3. Especially considering that he beat the former number one and still rated highly in the P4P list twice. But the little guys are often ignored in the West no matter how great they are.

          • ceylon mooney

            yeah…still hard for me to see him in the top 3.

  • Pit bull

    Again lomochenko amateur accomplishment has been used to promote lomochenko standing.. Just as GGG was to promote his standing.. judge them on their Professioal record please.. otherwise laslo Papp n mark breland are the greatest ever? .. anyway, after watching the linares fight,, I’m even more convinced garcia will ko the Ukraine. I’ll even go as far as say george kambosos kos lomochenko next year

    • Left Hook2

      High praise for Kambosos, a fighter who has only fought no-hopers, to say that he would kayo a fighter who has dominated Russell, Rigo, and Linares, among others.

    • Artem

      hater

    • william ellis

      Garcia might win – I would lean towards him – but only a fight will determine that. Loma’s done a lot very quickly.

    • Michael Montero

      Just save yourself the time an say you hate white fighters.

  • Stan Ables

    After I reviewed Rings updated ratings I was really surprised that the fighter from Poland, Macies Sulecki who battled Daniel Jacobs in a very impressive performance with many who thought he actually won that bout was dropped from Rings ratings at 154 nor included in the 160 ratings. Was just wondering why? He was previously rated #10 at 154 but went up and fought Jacobs at 160 and based on that performance alone against what many feel is the 2nd best middleweight in the world why isn’t this earned him the right to be rated in the top 10?

    • ceylon mooney

      oh odd…totally forgot about sulecki. sometimes fighters get punished for performing well, especially when theyre not supposed to.

    • Conrad

      I was gonna post something similar. He put in a really good effort, and was then taken out. Luke Campbell did almost exactly the same thing against Linares and he was put into the lightweight top 10 after a loss. They should have kept Sulecki at 10 jr middle or moved him to no.10 middle to replace O’Sullivan.

      • Stan Ables

        You are absolutely correct. Why they put Brooks in the top ten at 154 is nothing short of Ring’s bias as Brook in his last two major outings got the holy crap knocked out him by GGG and Spence, hardly worth a top 10 ranking.

    • MontyCircus

      He must not have paid his Ring Magazine/Golden Boy Promotions sanctioning fee.
      TBRB for me.

  • A Woo

    P4P GGG, Loma, or TC; you can’t go wrong. The Ring needs to do things right in the rankings. Loma is the Ring LW champ becuz he defeated Linares. That’s one way to win or lose the Ring belt. Suspended for PED use (testing positive twice) is another way; supposedly… Hmmmm….

  • ceylon mooney

    still, a guy whos never won a fight at 160 and was given the RING championship status at 160 2 years before his first fight at 160 is the champ.

    ive never fought at 175, and i dont have my pro card–can i still have a ring belt, too?

    • wrecksracer

      Ring Belt? I heard they give them away in boxes of Cracker Jacks these days. Or you can probably just outright buy one cheap.

      • ceylon mooney

        hmn…im reducing my sugar intake, so ill skip the cracker jacks.

        hey man u got an extra i can buy? or maybe ill just check out a garage sale.

        • Stephen M

          Oscar has some for sale…

          • Left Hook2

            Free with an order of tacos?

  • Gian Torres

    Sadam Ali didn’t do so well at welterweight either in getting destroyed by a weak punching jr welter.

    • william ellis

      I think Ali’s a bit like Khan – good skills, good attitude (in terms of his willingness to take on anyone), but with a weak chin. If he imporves his defense, he could do very well at Welter – a big if, however.

  • PrinceGian

    Had to have a look at the comments section of this article to what the posts are. Have to admit I am surprised that since Canelogate anyone is paying attention to the Ring ratings or champions. But who am I to judge.

    • Stephen M

      Well, force of habit. And besides the Canelo bullshit, I do think that the ratings are the authentic opinions of the panelists.

  • Conrad

    – Sulecki should not have been dropped losing a close decision to Jacobs

    – Ryan Burnett is still listed as IBF champion at bantamweight despite dropping the belt months ago. You’ve even moved up the guy who won it, Rodriguez and not changed the beltholder

  • Andrii Matiash

    When will you give Lomachenko No. 1? ))) After Fury? )

  • Michael Montero

    Surprised the black bigots aren’t out in force.

  • Oc

    I have Loma as my Number 1 pound for pound but I can respect the ring for asking for a bit more…Triple G has been around and proven his quality and should only go down the list after a loss or if Loma or Bud do something really special. I can live with it.

    • Andy T

      Should he not went down for only drawing with Canelo who had moved up weight plus in his last 4 fights he has only beat one genuine MW.

      • Oc

        You could argue that mate…but in my book though he beat Canelo and got a draw with the judges. That is just an opinion of course. Plus Canelo is a P4P level talent in his own right.

    • Teddy Reynoso

      Asking for a bit? When one has the names of Negro Ramirez, Suriya Tatakhun, Gamallier Rodriguez, Jason Sosa, and Miguel Marriaga and a loss to the ancient Orlando Salido comprising half of your resume thus far, it would not be unreasonable to ask for more. Also considering his biggest wins came against the outweighed aging and oftentimes inactive Guillermo Rigondeaux, the overrated Nicholas Walters who nobody heard of since, the opt beaten Rocky Martinez and the previously been kayoed Jorge Linares.

  • Spider Rico

    Have to agree with Wainwright, Mulcahey and Coppinger, Mikey should be 1 and Linares 2 at 135. Linares didn’t go the distance, he was KO, making this the 4th time he’s been knocked out. Mikey on the other hand still hasn’t been beat and is just the overall better, smarter fighter than Linares is.

    p4p
    1. GGG
    2. Loma
    3. Mikey
    4. Crawford
    5. Canelo

    • Here’s Barley!

      No Tony Bellew ?

      • Spider Rico

        1.GG
        2.Loma
        3.Mikey
        4.Crawford
        5. Tony Bellew

        • Here’s Barley!

          Lol.

  • ozzy

    There’s no doubt that GGG is a powerful puncher with enough boxing skills to allow him to virtually clean out the middleweight division however I will never understand why he is ranked at the top of the p4p list above Crawford and Lomachenko, who are the most skilled boxers in the world and are both going through the divisions. Both are daring to be great, particularly Lomachenko recently, it is beyond my understanding that a power puncher such as GGG can be ranked above fighters who have proved they are the most adept practitioners of the sweet science.

    • philoe bedoe

      I agree………….

    • Dee Money

      I’m a big GGG fan, but I think he is clearly behind the other two as being the best p4p fighter right now. But I think the reasoning is simple- for most people its all about compiling a resume and social promotion allows for the next man up.

      I’ll start with the 2nd of the two points: GGG was the #2 ranked P4P fighter when #1 Andre Ward retired, and since he was next in line logic dictates we move him up to #1 (if someone else shouldve been #1 at that time instead then why were they behind him to begin with). In essence, it is a matter of attrition, he kept winning and defending the title at a traditional weight class, so he moved up into the spot.

      The first point there though is the sticky one: what is the criteria for being the current P4P best. Some folks will argue that you cannot evaluate a fighter outside his resume (in that the eye test is worthless). I disagree, and especially when you consider the small sample size we are given in boxing, and the uneven scheduling between any two fighters, I think you have to evaluate their in ring ability more than just looking at their Boxerrec.

      Continually, how much of a fighter’s recent history do we taken into account. GGG is old, (heck he is literally 3 days younger than Kelly Pavlik whose been retired for the better part of a decade) many boxing greats had already retired by the time they were his age. I bring this up to point out that he is probably not the same fighter he was in 2014, but to some that still matters. Do we evaluate on what you were, what you are, or what we think you would be right now?

      • Andy T

        You say GGG kept winning he did not, his last 4 fights have been against 3 fighters moving up in weight to fight him and he won 3 and drawn 1.
        Loma has moved up and was out weighed by at least 12lbs against Linares as Ozzy said Loma is daring to be great and IMO now the P4P No 1.

        • Dee Money

          You are right, allow me to edit, “he kept not losing”. Although the one draw was fairly controversial.

        • Keano

          Salido tho. And everyone knows Golovkin and Canelo was not a draw.

          • Andy T

            Correct Salido but to take this fight in your second professional fight is someone who is prepared to take all comers on and as later fights have shown regardless of the weight.
            I am biased against a fighter who complains he cannot get the big fights but does not move up and challenge himself.
            The good thing about P4P it is all about opinions
            But the record books are consistent it was a draw!

      • Left Hook2

        I agree. The 2018 version of G is not the p4p best in the world today. Loma should hold that title sans debate. I don’t think a Crawfod win over Horn will hold much weight, and can a judge-validated victory over Clenelo mean as much as what the Matrix has shown? IMHO..no.

      • ozzy

        You bring up perfectly valid and interesting points that highlight some of the problems in having a p4p list. I agree with you that we should look at a fighter’s ability in the ring over and above their resume, although their resume does need to be taken into account of course. However, imo this has to be reviewed over time and if a fighter’s performance seems to have slipped over time then surely this must be taken into account with respect to how they’re viewed relative to others on the p4p list. There is of course no objective way to do this and the subjectivity of the whole situation leads to all of the disagreement between boxing fans – maybe we should all try to remember that such a list is supposed to be just for fun and not to take it all too seriously, something I must admit to being guilty of at times.

        • Dee Money

          I think the moving up in weight aspect is another variable to take into account. To what extent are we evaluating fighters based on their P4P ability at their best weight class (Golovkin) compared to their ability to move up through various weight classes?

          Does moving up into other weight classes make you better P4P, or is it more your ability at your very best?

  • PrinceGian

    If my memory serves me correct, both Lucas Browne and Alexander Povetkin were dropped from the Ring ratings when tney were caught with PEDs in tbeir systems so why is Canelo still ranked in P4P?. Oh hang on that’s right, he is promoted by GBP.

  • Andy T

    Now we know Doug and the ranking team are on a leash, is the reason not to put Loma as No 1 is because if Canelo beats GGG he will he become the Ring P4P No1,
    Food for thought!

    • Stephen M

      Possibly, but Doug has always been high on body of work.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Lomo, Golovkin and Crawford are the best pound for pound fighters in what remains of boxing right now which ain’t much so moderate your fetish for comparing them with the old time and later time true greats, please. You are coming off like blasphemous bunch of no nothing’s!

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Linares suddenly is a marvelous fighter.