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Talkbox: Still on track to see Canelo vs. GGG

15
Feb

At the Tuesday taping of the Everlast podacst “Talkbox,” I had RingTV.com expert Mitch Abramson in studio, and then had veteran writer/reporter Steve Kim call in and chat.

Click here to listen to the podcast.

We touched on a wide variety of topics, from the Saturday matchup of the Adrian Broner-Adrien Granados, and also what comes next for Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez, if things go to form, and each favorite gets past their next opponent. GGG next month takes on Danny Jacobs, a highly rated Brooklyn resident with some pop and fast-twitch muscle elasticity which is of the variety that could test the Kazahk’s chin more than any of us have seen.

But the logical next step after that tango and after, as we three all expect, Canelo’s structured methods of training and on-message technical chops take him past Julio Cesar Chavez Jr come May, is a fall face-off between 3G and the red-headed hitter who would find himself at Chavez Sr. level of respect within the homeland if he bettered GGG.

But the thing is this.

Some folks have gotten to feeling like that we have gone beyond marination and into a spoilage stage. Me and Kim and Mitch debated the possibility of us fight fans all being rewarded with a fall fest of fistic fury, pitting Golovkin against his younger rival who has to be hoping that GGG slips a notch or so because of time passages’ inevitable deteriorating effects. Now, we writers are guessing. We aren’t in those war rooms. We aren’t on those jets where the big boys talk future plans of takeovers and the like. One guy who is, is Eric Gomez, President at Golden Boy Promotions. He and GBP CEO/Founder Oscar De La Hoya are building their boxing brand around the redhead.

So, I put it to Gomez on Wednesday, the day after we touched on the subject at “Talkbox.” Eric, I asked, is the plan to make Canelo versus Golovkin this fall? I mentioned September. “Yes, absolutely,” Gomez told me. “That has been the plan for awhile.”

He didn’t hem or haw or talk about this element or that which needs to be attended to, he didn’t leave wiggle room. That’s the fight that all the parties are aiming toward, he made clear. On the show, it was said by one of us that the howling from fans if the GGG-Canelo tango didn’t come this fall would be heard from NY to New Zealand. This one has to get made, if the best laid plans for GGG and Canelo go as conventional wisdom suggests. Gomez admitted that he will be quite nervous that Jacobs could mess up the pathway and also noted that Chavez is right now at a good weight, working well with Nacho Beristain and will have personal and professional pride up for grabs against Canelo. In other words, let us see how the next for GGG and then Canelo play out..and if the oddsmakers have it pegged right, and both favorites perform to expectation, then your patience will be rewarded and September will see the most anticipated prize fight of the year come to fruition.

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  • Ерлан Табылдиев

    Chavez Jr. might spoil all GBP plan.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Nacho got Oscar down to 145lbs in the Pacquiao fight, we all saw the results of that. Beristain’s success stories were fighters who were self-motivated, dedicated and well conditioned all their lives. I doubt he can turn Chavez around in the space of 3 months.

      • Ерлан Табылдиев

        You might be right, mate. But anyway, I consider Chavez Jr’s chances to win Canelita is better than Jacobs’ chances to beat GGG.

        • Abraham E. Hernández

          No doubt about it.

      • Sweet_Science_

        Nacho and Memo are good for Chavez Jr. 165lbs is not. I think if Jr can even make 65′ he’ll be too drained. Good comparison to Dlh vs Pac. Wouldn’t it be something if Chavez wins! I’ll be shocked if the weight isn’t an issue.

        • Koninbeor

          Chavez couldn’t make 200 if that was the target. It’s like he’s purposefully out of shape no matter what the weight limit is. He’d find a way to miss the nonexistent heavyweight limit.

    • Barley mcgrew

      He just might indeed. Kudos.

      • DRE

        Can Chavez boil himself down to 164 and still stand though?

        • Koninbeor

          He can if he trains properly. I guess we’ll see how much motivation he has.

        • Barley mcgrew

          Hopefully.

    • Chris Stans

      I’m hoping

      • DRE

        I never thought I’ll see the day when fans start rooting for Junior.

        • Ерлан Табылдиев

          LOL. Spot on.

        • Why are they rooting for jr?

    • Will Arbuckle

      Hope he does

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    • DRE

      Well if he does then we can forget Canelo vs GGG which is the next supposed fight to save boxing.

      • Ерлан Табылдиев

        I just wanna see ODLH and Canelita pay for their cherry-picking and regret for marinating the fight against GGG.

    • Mitchell Nelms

      Same, I think he’s gonna ragdoll Canelo.

    • Not in a million years,canelo to quick,to strong,to clever for a plodder like chavez.

  • IanF69

    Yea Jacobs and Jnr could mess up…ie Jacobs gets KTFO in the first and Jnr takes Canelo all the way making him look shit.

    • Ерлан Табылдиев

      Amen to that, mate.

      • tpvero

        Why you talk like Barley?

        • Ерлан Табылдиев

          I talk like Barley? Man, I wish I knew English like him but I am still learning it.

          • Shitzecreek

            In your case good luck.

          • Ерлан Табылдиев

            LOL. Actually, the guy gave me a compliment comparing with Barley, cause my boxing & English knowledge is a drop in the ocean (for me “ocean = Barley’s knowledge”). Cheers, mate.

          • Ерлан Табылдиев

            LOL. Actually, the guy gave me a compliment comparing with Barley, cause my boxing & English knowledge is a drop in the ocean (for me “ocean = Barley’s knowledge”). Cheers, mate.

        • Shitzecreek

          He’s obviously an adoring Barley fan. His 2 idols: GGG and Barley.

          • Koninbeor

            Barley isn’t the only person in the world who uses the word mate.

          • Ерлан Табылдиев

            Exactly.

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  • Ten Count Toronto

    Hmm. I seem to remember all those assurances of how Alvarez & GBP were committed to the timetable of making a fight with Golovkin withinn a couple of weeks of Alvarex-Cotto … then it was after Alvarez-Khan ..

  • RayK

    Yeah right.

  • Robert Archambault

    I do not care if Canelo ever gets in the ring with GGG. It is a meaningless fight, even more so if GGG manages to fight BJS in June and get the final belt he is missing. In that case, what exactly does Canelo bring to the party other than a payday? He brings no MW legacy, no title as GGG will have them all. The only thing he will represent is the fight that will equal Hopkins’ defense record. And for some reason, people will still consider Golovkin to be the B side? The UNDISPUTED, UNIFIED MW TITLE HOLDER will be the B side against a fighter who has never even fought at MW? Yeah, there is something seriously fucked up with boxing today.

    • Koninbeor

      The only reason I care is because it’d be a big payday for GGG.

    • Sweet_Science_

      Canelo brings the Ring Magazine belt and a huge payday…
      I can’t see Saul going back to 54′ after fighting Jcc Jr at 64′. The only place for him after that is middle weight. As far as the b side stuff, your right it is BS. G’ wins the fight if it happens this year. If it “marinates” any longer more ppl won’t care.

      • Robert Archambault

        The RING belt is basically meaningless in the sport. No one considers it when determining the undisputed, unified title holder of any division. There once was a time when it did actually mean something, but that was before they discontinued all their titles. When they brought it back, it means about as much as the IBO title does.
        The payday works both ways. There is no other fighter in the sport who can bring the same payday to Canelo as GGG can. unless Floyd comes back for a rematch and the chances of that are less than the Earth getting hit by an asteroid or comet in the same time frame.
        If the fight does not happen this year, it never happens at all. I cannot see GGG staying much longer at MW and once he breaks the record, I see him moving to SMW in an attempt to unify that division as well and write another page in boxing history. Vacate all the titles and let the new crop of fighters such as the Charlos and Andrade compete for them over the next few years and see if any of them can come even close to duplicating his achievements.

        • Sweet_Science_

          Well said. The only thing I like about the ring title is that there’s no sanctioning fees. Since De La Hoya purchased the company I don’t view it as highly. Although, for a champion to be crowned it’s got to be 1vs2 in said division. When I look at the ratings on this site I agree with all the Ring title holders. They usually are the best in the division.

          • Robert Archambault

            You think Canelo is the BEST MIDDLEWEIGHT? Seriously? He has never even fought at the full division limit and both he and Oscar have publicly stated that he is NOT a middleweight. But you agree with him holding the title and not defending it while dropping to win a title in a lower division and stating he was leaving the MW division which according to RING rules should have stripped him of the MW title?
            As GGG would say… ARE YOU SERIOUS???

          • Sweet_Science_

            I said “they usually are the best in the division “. I don’t think Alvarez is the best at 60′. And your right they should have stripped him. I never said that either. However, he is the lineal champion and he brings the money. So if 3G wants to be undisputed he needs the Ring strap too in my opinion.
            Cheers.

          • Robert Archambault

            No one in boxing considers the RING title to be needed for a champion to be declared undisputed. That title should rightly be up for grabs in the Jacobs fight anyways. Whoever wins that fight I will consider to be the RING title holder and lineal champion of the division.

          • Angel

            You don’t need the RING title to be undisputed but you do need the WBO and GGG doesn’t have that one. You can believe all you want but that doesn’t change the facts, Canelo is the rightful RING and Lineal title holder due to beating the man who beat the man, PERIOD. If and when GGG unifies the 4 belts and Canelo doesn’t fight him then I reckon he has a strong claim to be the new lineal champ and I suspect most boxing critics will agree. This all doesn’t mean he’s the best middleweight, of course not, these are belts and politics after all.

          • Robert Archambault

            According to RING RULES, If a RING title holder changes division, his title becomes vacant. Both Canelo and Oscar declared that he was not a middleweight and would compete at 154 where he fought and won a title belt. That is more than enough for me to consider the RING MW title to be vacant, even if RING have decided not to follow their own fucking rules. If it had been any other fighter you can be certain that as soon as he won a title in a different division he would have been stripped of the title, especially after declaring that he IS NOT A MIDDLEWEIGHT!!!
            .
            As for being the undisputed MW champion of the world, I do not believe you will find any boxing critic worth a damn who would dispute the fact that he is the only real MW champion of the world. To me that makes him UNDISPUTED. Someone like Canelo wants to dispute that, well I guess he can get his ass in the ring and try to do so.
            .
            The ‘lineal’ title and 5 bucks will get you an overpriced coffee at Starbucks. Same price as without the ‘lineal’ title. It is a worthless, theoretical title that brings nothing with it, especially when it is being ‘held’ by someone who has never once fought a fight at the MW limit. This is a disgrace to the sport and indefensible.

          • Angel

            It can be debated if he has “moved to a different division”, Oscar declaring to the press he’s not a middleweight might not be enough reason for the Ring Editorial board to strip Canelo considering they made the Khan fight a middleweight fight, yeah catchweight BS but unfortunately that’s boxing. Also the RING is owned by Oscar so there’s that. So what you are saying is that in your head you are stripping Canelo of the RING title and making GGG vs Jacobs for the title, all in your head? dude… calm down, do you realize how nonsensical that sounds? If you consider GGG to be the best middleweight that is perfectly fine, I and most of the non blind world agrees with you, do you really need the whole world of titles, both real or subjective to confirm that for you?

            The accepted benchmark to declare someone undisputed by the boxing world is to unify all 4 major titles, WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO. That’s what undisputed means, it means you have all the belts. Canelo doesn’t factor in that anymore, but Saunders does considering he has the WBO. You can consider whoever you want to be the undisputed champ, that won’t magically place the WBO in GGG’s waist. GGG is the best middleweight, I don’t think many people dispute that, but that doesn’t mean he’s granted titles he hasn’t won for whatever reason. Undisputed, Lineal and Best are not the same thing, that’s why they’re called differently, in fact it’s entirely possible that all 3 in a division are different people. Right now in middleweight, there is no undisputed, lineal is Canelo and best is Golovkin.

          • Angel

            If GGG becomes undisputed and Canelo loses or doesn’t commit to Middleweight I think GGG has a strong case to be the legitimate lineal. It’s subjective you see as there is no real title to take and hand to anyone and no one authority to do so.

          • Robert Archambault

            Actually what I am saying is that the RING title, in ANY division, isn’t worth shit as long as Canelo holds the MW version. The magazine disgraces itself by allowing him to retain this belt after disgracing himself and all Mexicans by challenging GGG TO HIS FACE IN THE RING and then turning coward and vacating his WBC title. That was the most disgraceful series of events I have seen in boxing in decades.
            .
            Lineal title is meaningless as there is no body overseeing it and no rules that apply to it. Stevenson is also a so called lineal champion so that says what the ‘lineal’ designation is worth these days.
            .
            Don’t want to consider Golovkin to be undisputed? Fine, then let’s use the term ‘consensus’ champion instead as there is not a boxing critic or writer worth anything who would disagree with that. It is only a matter of time until the WBO title is around his waist as well. And at that point? Well I bet RING will still be claiming Canyellow to be MW champion of the world.
            .
            As for the Mexican duck, I am against giving him a title fight against GGG. I believe he should be made to fight the top two MW contenders before deserving a title shot at what will most likely be ALL THE BELTS by the time it ever comes off. Why should boxers who have been fighting for years at the MW limit be pushed aside for this little punk?

          • Robert Archambault

            Almost forgot/// how can it be debated that he has moved to another division when the only genuine title he holds is in another division? Pretty difficult to argue against that, especially since he has never fought at the MW limit in any fight ever.

        • Ерлан Табылдиев

          Well said, Robert. Cheers.

          • Robert Archambault

            The biggest claim to fame that the RING title has is that it was the belt that was around the waist of Apollo Creed and later Rocky Balboa in the Rocky movies. Seems suitable somehow actually … a pretend title for pretend champions. 🙂

          • Ерлан Табылдиев

            LOL. )))))

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