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Dougie’s Friday mailbag (Stevenson-Jack, Russell-Diaz, Lomachenko, Canelo)

Both Adonis Stevenson and Badou Jack have talked the talk leading into their 175-pound showdown. Many fans expect them to walk the walk in the ring. Photo by Esther Lin/Showtime
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STEVENSON-JACK/RUSSELL-DIAZ

Hey Doug, hope all’s well.

This weekend sees one of my guilty pleasure fighters in action. For years, I’ve watched Adonis Stevenson feast on undeserving challengers and he has always looked sensational in dispatching of them. Which is why I am excited that he is now finally fighting a top contender and someone worthy of fighting for the belt. How do you see this one going?

I favour Superman in this matchup but, in my eyes at least, this is very close to being an even contest. Will the fact that Adonis is 40 present any issues for him? Will he be suitably prepared for someone like Badou Jack given his level of recent competition? I love Jack the Ripper as a fighter as well but Adonis’ straight left is like Deontay Wilder’s right as one of the single best punches in boxing. I can’t wait for this one! Where would a Stevenson win put him in your light-heavyweight estimations?

The second part of the showtime double header also sees one of the most frustrating fighters around in action as Gary Russell Jr puts in his once a year appearance. Man, I wish this guy would fight more, he’s another a guy I love seeing in action. I really don’t know what goes on in his and his camp’s mind. I favour him by close but convincing decision, but this is another excellent match up. There are always questions about how inactivity will affect Russell Jr in his fights but he always answers them convincingly. JoJo Diaz is on a different level to Oscar Escandon and Patrick Hyland though, and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the fastest hands in boxing. Good to see 2018 rolling along with more quality fights.

Couple mms before signing off:

Lomachenko vs Duran at 135

Loma vs Crawford at 140 if that were to somehow happen

Jaime Munguia vs Canelo at 154

All the best for you and your family. – Hatau in Sheffield

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Hatau.

Mythical matchups: I’ll go with Duran by late KO, Crawford by competitive-but-clear decision, and Canelo by hard-fought decision.

Photo by Ryan Remiorz / The Canadian Press via-AP)

For years, I’ve watched Adonis Stevenson feast on undeserving challengers and he has always looked sensational in dispatching of them. I would describe they way he’s looked as “explosive” and “formidable,” but not “sensational” because he did what he was supposed to do against that level of opposition.

Which is why I am excited that he is now finally fighting a top contender and someone worthy of fighting for the belt. It’s about damn time.

How do you see this one going? I really have no idea. I can see Stevenson blasting Jack out in the early rounds. I can envision Jack gritting through an early storm, taking over the middle rounds and grinding Stevenson down to a late stoppage or decision victory. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Stevenson is able to stick and move his way to a decision. Heck, I wouldn’t be shocked if Jack caught Stevenson early. (A lot of wise guys I know expect Jack to get blasted early because he was stopped in one round by Derek Edwards, but Stevenson was halted in two rounds by Darrell Boone.) But if I have to make a pick, I’m going to go with the tenacious technician who has challenged himself for the past three years. Jack’s last five opponents have been legit top-10 contenders (and either former, current or future world titleholders). Jack by decision or late stoppage.

I favour Superman in this matchup but, in my eyes at least, this is very close to being an even contest. That’s how I see it, but I know a lot of smart boxing folks that view Stevenson as a solid favorite.

Will the fact that Adonis is 40 present any issues for him? I don’t think so. He’s a gifted athlete who didn’t turn pro until his was 28 and he only has 30 bouts under his belt; plus he hasn’t been in many grueling fights.

DeGale (left) under fire from Badou Jack. Photo by Ed Diller/DiBella Entertainment

Will he be suitably prepared for someone like Badou Jack given his level of recent competition? Good question. I think his speed and power will make him dangerous early in the bout, but if the fight gets into the middle-to-late rounds it will get very interesting. Stevenson has only gone the distance five times; Jack is used to grinding out tough 12-round bouts.

I love Jack the Ripper as a fighter as well but Adonis’ straight left is like Deontay Wilder’s right as one of the single best punches in boxing. True, it’s a bona-fide smasher. But I have to believe that Jack (and his trainer Lou Del Valle – a former light heavyweight titleholder who happens to be a southpaw like Adonis) will be prepared for Superman’s left.

I can’t wait for this one! S__t, man, you’ve got me more excited about the matchup than I already was.

Where would a Stevenson win put him in your light-heavyweight estimations? If he wins in decisive and impressive fashion, I think he goes to No. 1, just ahead of Sergey Kovalev and Dmitry Bivol.

The second part of the Showtime double header also sees one of the most frustrating fighters around in action as Gary Russell Jr puts in his once a year appearance. I think Russell is a tremendous talent but I consider him to be semi-retired, which is why I favor Diaz in this crossroads title fight.

Man, I wish this guy would fight more, he’s another a guy I love seeing in action. I really don’t know what goes on in his and his camp’s mind. I don’t think he’s passionate about boxing. It’s just a job to him (it’s the family business), and there’s nothing wrong with that, but I’ll usually favor a hungry fighter over a complacent one as long as their talent, skill and experience is comparable – and Diaz is a fine young boxer.

I favour him by close but convincing decision, but this is another excellent match up. It is indeed. Looking forward to it as much as the Stevenson-Jack fight.

There are always questions about how inactivity will affect Russell Jr in his fights but he always answers them convincingly. Yeah, against a certain level of fighter and a certain style.

JoJo Diaz is on a different level to Oscar Escandon and Patrick Hyland though, and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the fastest hands in boxing. Very carefully, I hope, at least until he’s able to get to Russell’s body.

 

IT WAS GREAT TO BE WRONG

Hi Doug,

I pray you and your family are doing well and all the readers and their families are doing well. The first 5 rounds it was looking like another ho hum Loma beat down but Linares woke him up and from Rounds 6 to 10 a mini war broke out. It was great entertainment and Linares didn’t just cave in and submit and that is what made the fight great. Loma is special.

I also enjoyed watching Sadam Ali’s fight. He showed a lot of heart and kept trying to fight a guy who looked 3 weight classes heavier than him. All in all, a great night of boxing. I’m glad I listened to you. You’re the expert and I’m the fan for a reason.

God bless and take care. – Blood and Guts from Philly

Linares nails Lomachenko with a right. Photo / Hoganphotos

Hey man, don’t take my word for anything. I don’t know anything more about what’s going to happen between those ropes than any other longtime fan. My call on Linares-Loma not being another one-sided blowout for the wizardly Ukrainian star was solely based on my respect for the defending champ – it wasn’t due to any specific technical insights on how the two boxing styles would play out.

I was also impressed with the heart and resolve that Ali exhibited against Munguia. I’m even more impressed with the positive attitude he’s shown since the crushing defeat. Perhaps a move back down to welterweight is in order. Munguia – who might go on to be something very special – is not the only monster in the 154-pound division.

 

BLOWING UP U.S. BOXING

Doug, how are you? Long time, no write. I hope you and family are well.

1. I’d be interested in your take on this article from Bloomberg (link below) about UK-based Perform/Matchroom USA looking to disrupt the U.S. boxing scene. It’s a bummer to not be able to watch live boxing on HBO NOW and hopefully new entrants such as these shake things up. Like after last Saturday’s fights, I have to be careful on the internet and I can’t even check out the mailbag in order to try to catch the fights on HBO NOW 2-3 days late without knowing the outcome. For me, anything to increase competition for better viewing options and to disrupt the, as I see it, status quo oligopoly is a good thing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-10/american-boxing-faces-a-1-billion-hostile-takeover

2. I was all set to buy tickets to see the Mikey Garcia/Robert Easter fight this summer at Staples Center. But then I heard Lomachenko may fight in LA in August. I can’t make a personal economic case to see both fights so I’m leaning toward the Lomachenko fight. I think Garcia is an amazing fighter, but I think the excitement Loma brings to the game is off the charts. If you had to pick only one of these fights to see, which would you pick and why?

MM:  Gerry Cooney vs. the Tyson Fury who beat Klitschko.

All the best to you and yours Doug.

Andy. – Chula Vista, CA

I’ll go with Fury by close but unanimous decision in a frustrating fight for Cooney, who came up during an era of smaller-and-more-aggressive heavyweights.

Regarding which Southern California summer lightweight title bout to attend, I don’t think you can go wrong with either show. Garcia-Easter is a quality title unification matchup, which could be very entertaining. However, if you haven’t experienced watching Lomachenko live yet, you owe it to yourself go to his next fight (which might be against WBO beltholder Ray Beltran). He’s a once-in-a-generation boxing talent. If you want me to choose for you, I lean toward Loma, but only because I suspect that most of his major fights going forward will take place at Madison Square Garden.

Regarding the reported eight-year, billion-dollar deal/partnership between Matchroom USA and Perform Group, I will reserve making any predictions or analyses on their “American boxing take-over” plans through the DAZN streaming platform until they announce more details (such as who will be fighting on the initial shows, especially among the 16 cards planned to take place in the U.S. over the next year, and how much they will charge per month or year for the streaming service).

Bottom line, their success depends on who they can sign, the caliber of fights they make, if they can or are willing to work with other promoters, and how affordable/accessible DAZN is to the American boxing fan. Let’s see what they do and watch what happens.

If Eddie Hearn signs top talent, makes good fights and presents those bouts on a quality streaming service, this partnership will be a welcome addition to the U.S. boxing scene.

However, keep in mind that for every fan like you, who wants to be able to stream every live fight that takes place on a network (or other platform, and I assume you’re more than happy to pay for it), there’s another fan who is sick and tired of having to shell out more money for another service to watch boxing on top of their cable/PPV bills. Case in point…

 

ESPN+

What’s up Doug?

I haven’t mailed in a long time but just wanted to drop a quick line on ESPN+. Last year, ESPN hyped up how they would be providing free boxing content. Most of us were excited – although honestly, I prefer the ad-free coverage and quality productions of the premium channels.

Now, the Khan and Crawford fights are only available on their subscription service ESPN+. ESPN pulled the old bait and switch. I already pay for HBO, SHO and fork out heavy cash for multiple PPVs every year. Now they want us to pay for another service? I will keep it PG for your audience – but F that. Got to draw the line somewhere.

Pissed. – Omar (Miami)

I understand your frustration, Omar. But the reality is that it takes a lot of money to make the big fights and the networks (and promoters) are struggling to remain profitable (and relevant) in an insanely crowded modern sports/entertainment market. They gotta come up with new revenue sources just to stay alive.

But I don’t blame you one bit for drawing a line in the sand. Some of my peers who are diehard followers of numerous sports (such as Steve Kim) find ESPN+ to be good deal at just $4.99/month, but others, who aren’t as into college games and sports documentaries (and don’t like to watch ANYTHING on their phones) see no value in the new app/subscription service. I love ESPN’s 30 for 30 series, but I don’t follow any pro sport outside of boxing, so I’m not sure how often I will access ESPN+. However, I will subscribe to it because it’s my job to cover boxing, so I need to be able to watch all the major fights (plus, I can expense the cost or make it a tax write-off).

 

PERSPECTIVE ON LOMA

Hey Doug,

Big fan of the mailbag and your writing in general.

Recently read this article on the BBC Sport web page – https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/44131754.

Just wanted to know your thoughts on this? Personally I feel a bit of perspective has been lost on Loma following his win over Linares, especially regarding his impact on the sport to the non-boxing community. I’m a huge admirer of his (who isn’t? He’s almost the perfect combination of aggression and skill) but to compare him with the likes of Woods in that no one has achieved such status surely belittles the impact of Pacquiao, De la Hoya and Mayweather – the three boxers who I would say had wordwide celebrity status akin to Woods in golf.

Loma’s star is rising, no doubt about it, but the reality is I don’t think he’ll have as big an impact on the sport as Woods did with golf and I don’t think he has to. I feel it’s just another example of people getting lost in the hype and hyperbole when we should just appreciate the incredible talent we have in front of us.

Thanks, and good night. – Rosco, Aberdeen

The two British pundits are clearly enamored with Lomachenko, as many fans and boxing media are. It’s not that big of a deal to me. I expect UK broadcasters to be a littler higher on Loma based on the Linares victory than the average American boxing aficionado because they likely have more respect for the Venezuelan veteran (given his gutsy 10th-round stoppage of Kevin Mitchell and his brilliant back-to-back decisions over Anthony Crolla, which took place in England).

However, I don’t think they were comparing Lomachenko to the likes of De La Hoya, Mayweather and Pacquiao. (Although Mike Costello pointed out that Loma had won world titles in three weight classes in 12 pro bouts, a feat that De La Hoya achieved with 22 pro bouts. I would point out to Costello that The Golden Boy turned pro at age 19 and did not have the prolonged elite international experience – not to mention six World Series of Boxing semi-pro bouts under his belt – that the more-mature Lomachenko had before going pro.)

It’s obvious that Loma hasn’t yet achieved their level of crossover fame (and Costello mentioned that this is an area where he can improve, and suggested that he continue to learn English and strive to speak it as well as the Klitschko brothers did).

I think Costello and Bunce were just saying that Lomachenko is the best boxer on the planet right now (an opinion shared by many) and that he is as ahead of the curve in boxing style/skill as Woods was in golf and Bjorn Bjorg was in tennis. And they pose the question of the 30-year-old Ukrainian being the best pro athlete in the world. (I can’t chime in on this opinion/question because I don’t watch any other sport.)

 

HOPE ALL IS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE

Dougie,

Hope you don’t mind my efforts to really make an issue of this. It saddens me to see what happened and for me personally The Ring always stood for independence in a sport full of corrupt sanctioning bodies. I like using The Ring as my go to for rankings and for news stories, yet looking forward it is concerning not knowing the level of Golden Boy interventions in the future on news content and ranking decisions.

I think you did well to clarify the position and keep your integrity intact, while remaining respectful to Stefan and the magazine’s owners.

Ultimately, for Golden Boy the commercial upside of having Canelo as Ring champion for future fight negotiations is of greater value than the downside of losing any credibility of The Ring.

Anyway, that is pretty much the end of my awareness campaign for now. Here’s to a good year of Boxing ahead. Best. – John

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, John. The Canelo/RING title situation has been a stressful one for me and the other two editors of the magazine (Tom Gray and Brian Harty). It’s an unfortunate chapter in the publication’s history (not the first and probably not the last) that we’d like to put behind us and we hope the situation works itself out in the ring. We understand any disillusionment keeping Canelo THE RING middleweight champ and in the P4P rankings despite his suspension by the Nevada Athletic Commission has caused among fans and longtime readers of the magazine.

All I can say about Golden Boy’s “interventions in the future on news content and ranking decisions” is that if that happens, I’ll let you know.

 

CANELO ENROLLS IN YEAR-ROUND VADA TESTING

Hello Doug,

I’ve been vocal about the Canelo situation on TNR and some posts here in the comments section of the mailbag. I wanted to wait before I wrote to you about my final (I hope) take on this.

I initially said that I didn’t believe his meat contamination excuse. Reasons were I knew people who’ve been telling me for years that this is a good mulligan that a lot of Mexican boxers were taking and being advised to take. The second reason was that every positive test I’ve ever seen has never ever been admitted to.  Everybody blames it on something else. Also, I’ve learned to understand that athletes are human beings and make mistakes (like lie to their fans), even so called heroes like Lance Armstrong have lied to their fans for years.

Now that Canelo had his hair tested (and came out clean) and the latest news that he actually enrolled in the 365/24/7 VADA program I can say that my opinion has shifted towards believing him that he at least was actually positive because of meat contamination instead of PED use. Why my change of opinion you ask? Well because I have no choice! He did what was asked and passed. That’s it.

I am no expert in PEDs, I go by what I read from Gabe Montoya, Thomas Hauser, Michael Montero, Steve Kim and you of course. I’ve also listened to plenty of Victor Conte interviews. That’s all I know. I can’t judge anybody based on if I like him or not. Without a test or proof I can’t just believe someone because he says so. But Canelo actually went and did a hair test to prove that at least for the last 6 months he was clean. Now he says he’ll do year-round tests to prove that at least going forward every win will be clean.

That’s all I need to believe him. It’s not based on favoritism, or liking him or not (you know I’m not the biggest fan of his personality and the way he carries himself outside the ring) or him being mexican like me (I am a big GGG fan and will root for him over my hometown native Jaime Munguia if they ever face each other). It’s all based on what more informed and knowledgeable people said was needed to prove it.

The point is that I’ve learned from the past that I can’t idolize and believe everything that comes out of a single human being’s mouth that I’ve never met or known personally. I’ve learned the hard way as many of my favorites have disappointed me in the past, that includes James Toney, Mike Tyson, Erik Morales and even JC Chavez. I need facts and that’s it.

The best thing out of this is that he’s now enrolled and being the biggest star in the sport, at least this side of the pond, will give a very good example to follow for younger generations.

Thanks Doug. – Juan Valverde, San Diego

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Juan.

I think Canelo’s enrollment into VADA’s year-round testing program is the one good thing that has come out of the Clenbuterol scandal that dominated so much of the boxing world’s attention since beginning of March. It sets a standard that I hope other stars and standouts of the sport seek to emulate.

It will be interesting to see if the boxing insiders that have publicly trashed Canelo’s name and reputation for the past two months will A) give him any credit for this decision, and B) put pressure on other world-class boxers to enroll in year-round PED testing programs (preferably VADA – the anti-doping agency that actually lets us know what’s in these athlete’s systems). My guess is that they won’t do either.

Anyone who never liked Canelo to begin with probably hates his guts now. They’ll suspect him of PED use and despise him for as long as he’s in boxing. They don’t give a rat’s ass about any hair test or year-round testing program. And they have a right to believe that just like you have a right to believe that he’s an honest competitor who has never purposely used PEDs.

 

LOMA VS. MIKEY

Hello Doug,

Loma-Linares gave us a great fight. The fact that the scorecards were so close made it better. I believe Loma can’t fight above 135 pounds. The weight difference was obvious.

I believe Mikey beats Lomachenko. I however don’t agree with all the twitter warriors making it seem like Loma is weak because he got dropped and had a tough fight.

A number of persons think Gervonta Davis beats him if they were to fight now. I think Tank is bigger than him, but not by much. He has crazy power. His punch selection is beautiful. But Loma is on another level skillwise & mentally. Would love to see that fight very soon. Who do you think wins?

Mythical Matchup:

Floyd vs Tommy Hearns at 147

Floyd vs W. Benitez at 147

Floyd vs Duran at 140

SRR vs SRL at 147

BHop vs GGG at 160

Tofunmi from Nigeria 

Mythical matchups: Hearns by late TKO, Benitez by close but clear decision, Duran by late KO, Robinson by close decision in a great fight, and Hopkins by close decision.

I believe Mikey beats Lomachenko. Despite the difficulty he had with Linares at times, I still favor Loma over Garcia. I know Garcia has the power to really hurt the naturally smaller man, but he’s also got heavier feet and shorter arms than Linares. I think he’ll be bothered more with Loma’s speed and movement than Linares was.

I however don’t agree with all the twitter warriors making it seem like Loma is weak because he got dropped and had a tough fight. “Twitter Warriors” suck.

A number of persons think Gervonta Davis beats him if they were to fight now. Well, it takes all kinds….

I think Tank is bigger than him, but not by much. He has crazy power. His punch selection is beautiful. Davis has good power. I agree that his punch selection is very nice. I look forward to further progression and hope he stays with Kevin Cunningham.

But Loma is on another level skillwise & mentally. He definitely is at the present time.

Would love to see that fight very soon. I can wait. Time is on Tank’s side. Why rush him into anything he’s not ready for?

Who do you think wins? Lomachenko. If the fight took place this year, I think it would look like a 135-pound version of Joe Calzaghe’s domination of Jeff Lacy (only it would end in a late stoppage).

 

 

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  • Mitchell Nelms

    I agree with your opinion on Garcia/Loma. Linares may not be as gifted as Mikey, but he does have a more efficient offense. That straight right was beautiful, fast with a lot of impact.

    I hope Jack wins, Stevenson is a major cunt.

    • Jody Hanna

      So I’d be right in thinking that he’s not on your Christmas card list?

    • ceylon mooney

      that knockdown was awesome, and linares fought smart. great fight all around. real exciting. id luv a rematch. i think garcia is better, but linares is a tougher opponent for lomachenko.

    • Jorge

      I think it was the timing that Linares had difficulty with and in the mid to latter round he started timing Loma really well. While Linares is more busy offensively he stood there and took some punishment. Mikey will not be doing that and will look to counter and time his punches. So I find it a much more difficult fight for Loma.

      • D. Gambino

        Garcia has better timing than Linares (for me, his timing is top 3 in the sport). His jab is just as good as Linares’ jab. Garcia has more power than Linares. Garcia fights tall.

        I have the slightest of leans towards Loma beating Garcia (it will change after Garcia/Easter results) but that’s as close to a 50/50 fight as it gets. If anyone can beat Loma – it’s Garcia.

  • Tony Nightstick

    Stevenson by KO and Diaz by UD. Two top-notch fights. I also think that Garcia beats Loma in what would be an amazing bout.

    Of all the mythical ones mentioned, Fury-Cooney intrigues me the most. While Doug may well be right, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Cooney took it.

    • Jody Hanna

      Fury’s never been hit with anything close to the power of Cooney’s left hook.

      • ceylon mooney

        WHAAAT!?! WHAT ABOUT CUNNINGHAMS OVERHAND RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT KLITSCHKOS CONFUSED STARE???

        • Captain Napalm

          WHAT ABOUT THE CONFUSED STARES WE ALL HAD WHEN FURY WAS NAMED FIGHTER OF THE YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT SHIT-SHOW THAT WAS PASSED OFF AS A “FIGHT”. WTF!!!???

          • ceylon mooney

            HAHAHAHAHAHA! he did pull somethin off thats for sure!

          • philoe bedoe

            Because it was still one of the best wins over the last few years by any boxer………….

          • Here’s Barley!

            Here here.

          • Charlie U.

            * Hear, hear

        • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

          WHATABOUTISM is a common internet argument tactic.

      • Dug Fisher

        True, and Cooney would actually make a real effort to hit him with it too.

      • Andy T

        Cooney for me I don’t think Fury has the power to keep him off IMO

        • Jody Hanna

          Agreed.

      • philoe bedoe

        Cooney wouldn’t have got close enough to land that left hook…………

        • Jody Hanna

          I think he would, but we’ll never know.

          • philoe bedoe

            Cooney might be Tyson’s comeback opponent lol…………..

          • Jody Hanna

            Too well known.

    • ceylon mooney

      u really backin diaz? hmn. i luv watchin his fights, and im real impressed with what i see. he seems the complete fighter, smart in the ring…i want him to win, but i just cant back diaz. how u see that?

      • Tony Nightstick

        There’s no question that Russell has an excellent chance of winning, but I’m backing Diaz partly because Russell’s heart just isn’t in the fight game and partly because I consider Diaz among the best young fighters around.

      • D. Gambino

        I’m not backing Diaz. I’m thinking that too many people are putting stock into Russell Jr’s desire but I don’t see any lack of desire in Russell. Plus he’s the proverbial gym rat.

  • Григорий Игнатченко

    To give credit Canelo for what? For the enrolling? Was it voluntary? Was it his Decision or was he just forced into it? The man did the thing due to all the buzz about him these days in which only he’s to blame and his future career and money of course was his motive. He’s pathetic. He needed to do this at once. That’s what I honest people do. It doesn’t look good for him or he’s been manipulated. Anyway, nothing to give credit for.

    • Jorge

      I don’t see a lot of fighters giving hair samples and doing full year testing. The guy deserves some credit. You guys are just so butt hurt on everything that you will not allow to give another man credit for anything. Geez.

      • Stephen M

        Honestly Jorge, on the PR scale Canelo and Company are terrible. They have made it look like they were forced to do everything that they have done. This latest thing is another unforced error. Even Canelo’s boyfriend at the WBC felt forced to strip him. A simple phone call or email could have avoided that.

        • Jorge

          I understand the PR side of Golden Boy not being good. But what about when other fighters never wanted to do VADA? or saying cutoff dates for testing. I just think at this point there isn’t much for Canelo to do anymore.

          • Stephen M

            When we go from a particular case to a general situation it’s a different discussion. In this particular case, Canelo is a privileged boxer with a powerful promoter. He tested positive for a prohibited substance and is suspended from fighting in the USA.
            I think Canelo should be in the clear now, because he did the hair test and for enrolling in VADA. But the way these things have come about doesn’t make me feel generous about giving him credit.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      As far as I know GGG hasn’t done it yet. He has not enrolled in the 365/24/7 VADA. Why?

      • Stephen M

        I found this. Phrasing is a bit weird… ‘As for his client – who blew out Vanes Martirosyan in two rounds on May 5th – being tested during this period of time, Loeffler stated – “We never had any issues continuing testing. In fact it was our choice both guys would’ve continued testing, neither one would’ve stopped testing. Gennady tested all the way through the fight and he would continue testing till the September fight. So it was never any issue on the ‘Triple G’ side.

        “I’ve already reached out to VADA to enroll in that,” Loeffler stated. “So that’s already in the process to continue the testing for ‘Triple G’ that he was a part of for the May fight and he would continue through his next fight.””

        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          Yes “we’ve never had an issue” so why didn’t they do it in the past? Why do they wait until there’s this kind of pressure to the biggest stars? Nonito did it back when it started. He wanted to prove he was really clean (its really the only way). Its been 3 months since Canelo tested positive and it was the perfect opportunity for Gennady to say, hey guess what, not only am I clean, I’ll enroll for me that I’m cleaner than this guy. The only thing he did was say that Canelo and Oscar were dirty.

          Fact is Canelo AND GGG were only doing the minimum required.

          • Stephen M

            I’d like to see everyone signed up. There doesn’t seem to be much pressure for anyone to take the extra expense and trouble. Still, the overwhelming fact is that Canelo tested positive, so all eyes are on him.

          • Andy T

            Yeh that would be really good 👍

      • Michael Montero

        Do ask Steve Kim that, you’ll get the block.

        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          I did, he told me that Tom Loeffler already requested it.

  • learnmore

    Stevenson TKO win over Jack but hoping ike many that Jack wins, Russell jr TKO win over Diaz jr & Selby UD win over Warrington.

    • D. Gambino

      I’m hoping Jack wins as well. If Jack wins that will be Kovalev or Bivol unification that much easier as I don’t see Stevenson fighting either of them or Gvozdyk. Sadly, my brain is telling me that Stevenson is going to win but I’m going with my heart here and picking Jack by split decision.

      I feel Russell gets a UD over Diaz but I will not be surprised at all if he were to stop Diaz late.

      Selby should beat Warrington. Once he does maybe they can finally get Selby a real fight. I’m not sold on Selby being legit. Maybe the Frampton could change my mind about it but I’d rather see Selby in unification bouts.

      • learnmore

        Frampton v Selby/Warrington at Windsor Park Stadium is the plan, easy to make with everyone with Frank or Selby v Russell jr unification fight? if both win.

  • Jody Hanna

    I would love to see Lomachenko and Garcia go at it, that’s my number one possible match up right now.
    Agree with Doug on all of Tofunmi’s mythical matchup except Hearns over Floyd early and Hopkins feigning injury hoping for a DQ or a technical decision after getting tagged one time too many, which would be fairer on the fans than having to watch him stink the place out for twelve rounds.
    Fair play to Dougie for the balancing act of letting the fans know who was really responsible for the Canelo fiasco without getting his arse flung into the street. I couldn’t have been so diplomatic, old Stefan spewed a load of propaganda on Twitter when pulled up and then disappeared when questioned, quite slippery that one.

    • Stephen M

      Discretion in the better part of valor I guess. I’ve never been too good at that myself.

    • D. Gambino

      Same here Jody. For me, the biggest fight in boxing is Loma/Garcia. I am speaking strictly from a boxing perspective.

      • Giuseppe

        that is probably #1.

        SSR v Inoue also sets my mind on fire.

        • D. Gambino

          I like that fight too Giuseppe but I don’t know if we’ll see it. Estrada could end up beating SSR in the rematch.

          • ceylon mooney

            that fight was damn close. i think estrada has it in him. the first SSR-gona fight, SSR didnt give a shit that gonz beat the piss out of him. he looked fresh as a daisy at the end of the fight. he didnt look so hot at the end of the estrada fight. looked a lil worn out.

            i aint sayin hell win, but he can beat SSR.

      • Here’s Barley!

        So agree. The best fight that can be made in the sport today (ahead of Joshua-Wilder) – and just about the best contest by which to truly define Lomachenko’s greatness.

      • Andy T

        Earn with Hearn let’s get it made 👍

    • Captain Napalm

      If Garcia and Loma square off here’s what will happen.
      1. Garcia will find himself up against nothing that he encountered before but Loma will notice he’s up against a guy who cracks harder than Linares. So that means Loma will box Garcia’s face but then run into a right-hand that would beheaded a welter. Loma will pick himself up go back to work and finally take down Garcia with a combo the liver. The critics will still bitch that Loma has no real power.
      2. That Auto guy will refer Loma as the bastard son of Ivan Drago and carry on about that superior black DNA from the hood. He’ll get a 100 upvotes.
      3. Loma will still be refered as “Loman-Chenko” John Swan will have a another shit-fit
      4. Robert will have shit-fit because GGG is not the topic of the week.
      5. Everyone will still carry on and on and on about this Canelo bullshit.

      • Jody Hanna

        Sounds interesting.

        • Captain Napalm

          Wait until we get to that post Loma-Garcia mailbag.

  • Pit bull

    Rip. Troy waters
    What a warrior. What a heart,, more importantly what a gentleman n father.
    Never forget his fight terry Norris,, brutal

    • Jody Hanna

      Just saw that he’s passed away, a real warrior, rest in peace.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      Sad rip

  • ceylon mooney

    cruisin boxrec this AM…what the hell is javier fortuna doin fighting adrian granados??? on the LSC-mares, trout-charlo undercard.

  • learnmore

    If for some reason Lomachenko v Beltran unification fight cannot be made, Richard Commey would be my choice has a backup opponent, many thought he beat Easter jr & I would take Commey to beat Beltran. Garcia v Easter jr is looking like July, hopefully if both win their next fight, the powers to be make Lomachenko v Garcia afterwards.

    Hopefully the story is true that Matt Korobov finally got a big fight he has been trolling on twitter to get. I follow him & he has been doing some hard trolling to get a decent fight, they’re saying Benavidez v Korobov might be on the Garcia v Easter jr card.

    • ceylon mooney

      commey is tough. i dig that dude. id rather see him beat easter, but i dont see that fight happening, even if its mandated (aint it?).

      i do think he lost the first one fair and square, but it was real close, and i dont think easter has gotten any better. if commey has gotten any better, he wins.

      easter is smart–he can lose to commey for a few bucks or lose to garcia for a truckload more.

      heard that about korobov-benavidez too. aint thought about korobov in a good while.

      • learnmore

        I have not watched neither of Commey’s loses vs Easter jr & Shafikov. I see many thought he won both but the fights were close.

        Korobov accepted a fight vs Ramirez & Ramirez passed on it in 2016 or 2017, Korobov thought not many other options at Top Rank in house, Korobov brought himself out of the Top Rank contract, the better 160 & 168 fighters were not with Top Rank. He has only 1 fight since leaving Top Rank, but he is funny on twitter with his call outs

  • Don Badowski

    We should give credit to Alvarez for enrolling in VADA CBP? If he’d done so as soon as the two positive tests came out, maybe I would. But the way he stalled, and sent Oscar out to bird dog for him? “He’ll test when the contact is signed.” Alvarez is getting tested because the pressure not to was too much.
    And Dougie, you are skipping not a little of your own history with your mailbags. You slammed me for suggesting he should have signed up. When NSAC handed down its decision, you said he should sign up. He didn’t. He wanted to get away with not being tested till he was good and ready. And when he couldn’t, we’re supposed to give him credit? Can this guy do anything wrong in your eyes?

    • Jorge

      I think he had surgery and couldn’t enroll right away Don. What else do you want Canelo to do at this point? You are one to have always defended Manny Pacquiao when did he ever sign up for testing like this? He gets a pass because he never failed a test he never took? Let’s cut the BS… When Manny was asking for cutoff dates on blood testing, somehow that was reasonable? All he wanted to do and did for most of his fights was NSAC testing.

      • Charlie U.

        Not exactly true. Eric Gomez’s position was they wouldn’t enroll until the GGG fight was signed.

        • Jorge

          But he did before. I mean at this point what else can he do? Other fighter didn’t even want to enroll in VADA so how do we know they weren’t dirty?

          • Charlie U.

            Canelo got caught and they didn’t. Credit to him for enrolling but his back was against the wall. As I’ve said a couple of times today, let’s see how he performs now going forward. If he shows no signs of regressing, I believe he’ll win back a lot of respect.

          • Jorge

            I mean he got caught using VADA. Other fighters wouldn’t even go near VADA or year round testing. Its hard to get caught if you aren’t doing VADA.

      • Juan Manuel Valverde

        He did what was asked. I don’t like Canelo but this is all he can do now, and as a fan we either believe him or forever say that he’s dirty.

        • Charlie U.

          Under a lot of public pressure, he now has done what was asked. Let’s see now if he continues to perform at the very high level he’s performed at throughout his career. Time will tell.

          • Gilberto G

            And now we should put the pressure on Golovkin, and all the other fighters for that matter, now, why is Golovkin not signing the contract? is he cycling?

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Who knows…. I don’t see why he wouldn’t do it. I’m sure he has the money to do it.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            now the truth will come out!

        • Stephen M

          They did what they did very badly. Even Sulaiman, you could hardly pander more than Sulaiman has, felt forced to remove Canelo from the rankings. I’m sure Golden Boy and Canelo could have easily avoided that. They handled this whole mess like rank amateurs as far as PR goes…

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Yet GGG and the rest of the boxing world STILL haven”t done it. Wasn’t this the perfrct opportunity to beat Canelo to the punch by enrolling before him? Yet todsy at 6:39 am on 5/18/18 he hasn’t.

          • Stephen M

            There is nothing to beat. No one suspects GGG of doping and he didn’t test positive.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            There is a responsibility as a star to enroll and give an example. You can’t call someone a cheater with a straight face only testing for two months before a fight. We all know that anybody can be using it the month’s they’re not testing. I’m not saying he’s not clean, but now the pressure’s on him. He’s now the one that can’t prove if he’s 100% clean or not. He should’ve enrolled a long time ago. Nobody obligated Nonito Donaire to do it, yet he wanted to show the world that his talent was his.

          • Stephen M

            I think that GGG should enroll but I don’t think he is under much pressure. Why would Canelo testing positive put GGG under pressure?

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Canelo testing positive is not what puts pressure on him. The fact he called Canelo AND Oscar dirty is what puts pressure on him. He can’t back it up 100% withouy him showing that he’s clean all year.

          • Stephen M

            But Canelo tested positive!
            I’m all for testing year round, I just don’t understand why you have become the champion of testing since Canelo had to sign up under duress.
            I’ve read most of your posts and I can’t remember you being so adamant about Vada testing before.
            Fine, testing is great, I just don’t see the logic of attacking GGG because Canelo tested positive..,.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            I’ve always been. If you listen to The Next Round, I’ve been very critical of Canelo for years. I even mentioned some of my friends (trainers in Tijuana Mexico with close ties to several very well known champions like Luis Nery) were saying that the whole Meat Contamination thing was something everybody was using as a mulligan! I didn’t initially believe Canelo, I thought his physic over the last few years was very suspicious, and I know that even if you’re testing during fights, it still leaves the rest of the year open for you to do whatever you want.

          • Stephen M

            ?!?! How does GGG signing up prove that Canelo and Oscar are dirty?
            That doesn’t make any sense.
            But as I keep saying, GGG should sign up…

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            There’s an old saying, when you point your finger at someone, five fingers comeback pointing at you.

            To me, GGG seems clean, but who am I to know? Why should I think that? just because I like him in the ring? As I said before, two of my favorite fighters of all time, Erik Morales and James Toney both tested positive. I can’t trust anybody.

          • Stephen M

            Yes. We can’t trust anybody but you are only talking about GGG…

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            See my new post…. I’m starting with all the megastars who can afford it. GGG, Lomachenko, Joshua, Pacquiao. Those are the guys who should lead the pack

            Canelo is doing it now, he had no choice, he waited until he tested positive and his reputation went to the canner. He was very stupid and naive.

          • Stephen M

            I’m with you now!

          • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

            We don’t have that saying here in the U.S. Over here, when you point your finger at someone, the accused comes back with just one fighter; the middle one.

          • Don Badowski

            Golovkin has been on VADA CBP since it began. You can see that on Boxrec. I suggest you get familiar with it.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            No he hasn’t. He only does the required tests before fights. He hasn’t enrolled in the 365/24/7 program. I suggest YOU do your homework before you post. As a matter of fact, Tom Loeffler recently (2 days ago) said they’re working on it and sent a request to enroll.

          • Don Badowski

            Did you check Boxrec? As for what Loeffler said, I am not aware of that, so please pass on your source.

          • Stephen M

            GGG didn’t test positive for anything and nobody suspects him of anything.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            They all need to enroll. Dont act like only some of them need to do it. A clean sport is only as clean as its testing. GGG is only as clean as how often he tests. He just does it during fights.

          • Stephen M

            I’m all for everyone signing up, I just don’t understand why the spotlight is on GGG for Canelo testing positive…

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Its now on GGG because Canelo already signed up. yes, he tested positive, but he also had the hair sample that everybody (every so called expert wanted) said he needed, tested. Whatever happened in the past is in the pas, from now on there’s no excuse. He will be tested year round. GGG isn’t in that program, so now he’s the one that is not properly tested. I’m sure he’ll do it, Tom Loeffler said that he requested it a couple of days ago. Why wait? That’s the questions! If you’re so clean, why haven’t you been enrolled in the past?

          • Stephen M

            OK, but didn’t you just say that the past is the past. Lol. I’m with you Juan. You’re just a bit intense today. That’s not like you…

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Lol. I know. I just want to be clear that im not defending Canelo. I’m just trying to stay away from favoritism and stick to the facts. And maybe facts are not the ideal facts but its the only thing we have right now, hopefully this makes future stars consider just enrolling and making life easier on everybody.

          • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

            Maybe YOU should stay away from Mexican beef. Maybe some hormones in them are making you angry. Maybe. Haha! I’m just joking.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            LOL. Yes. I have been staying away from mexican meat. Thats why im getting fat

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Look none of these guys is enrolled in the 365/24/7 program and they are the biggest stars in the sport:

            -Anthony Joshua
            -Manny Pacquiao
            -Vasily Lomachenko
            -Gennady Golovkin

            Why not!? These guys should be the first to do it without people asking them to do it. Make yourselves an example for the younger generation!

      • Don Badowski

        You’re kidding. I know. Funny.
        He tested positive Feb. 17th. His surgery was April 15th, 2 months later. One month later, after negotiations for the rematch start, he signs up. Right. He couldn’t sign up during his couple days in the hospital? I believe he has people who would be falling over themselves to do the sign-up for him. And a hospital is a great place to get blood drawn or to pee in a cup. You’ve never been?
        You ask me what else can he do at this point? My point (?) was that he should have enrolled right away, as a sign of good faith. Instead he wanted to skate, and expected his popularity to smooth everything out. It didn’t, so he signed up.
        But to answer your question: Never, ever come off of the VADA CBP year round testing until the day he retires.
        If you haven’t noticed, Manny is now a part time boxer. Personally I think he should have retired years ago, and certainly not have made a comeback with Vargas. I have defended him in the past, for very good reason. He was accused by Floyd of PED usage with absolutely no proof, just accusation. All the while Floyd was insisting he’d only trust USADA. No WADA, no VADA. And look how that turned out. They bury his positive tests, and let him test again and again until he showed Clean. “Oh, those earlier tests weren’t reliable!” Right. They were USADA tests, given and administered by USADA personnel. And then the IV. And then they accidentally on purpose forget to inform NSAC that Pac requested a painkiller shot. Too Late! And USADA says My Bad.
        And you wonder why I’ve defended him? Please Jorge, you’re trolling.

        • Jorge

          I agree on your take about Canelo. But it doesn’t make much sense as to Manny Pacquiao and testing. While you go right ahead and blame floyd (like always) that doesn’t excuse manny from doing year round testing which he never did.

          • Don Badowski

            I believe I already told you that I think all the top 15 of any organization should be testing.
            BTW, there is only one kind of “steroid” that the testing organizations worry about, and that is AAS, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids. The kind you get for inflammation (or cancer) are not a concern. And Clenbuterol is not a steroid, but it is a PED.
            And I don’t blame Floyd for anything he’s not actually guilty of. His association with USADA was a bad joke, played on us. I remember. He’s up on his soap box, preaching about how boxers should be clean, and be doing his Olympic Style (no such thing) testing. All the time USADA is covering his ass. So for the record, I think Floyd is far more likely to be guilty of PED usage that Alvarez. After all, VADA catches people. USADA gets paid not to.

          • Jorge

            I agree as far as Floyd. He would retire for too long and comeback and do testing for a couple months.

    • Andy T

      Damned if you do damned if you don’t I think it is a positive for Canelo and boxing and Doug made it clear his hands were tied with the ring ratings I was against it all originally but things are not always how they should be.

      • Don Badowski

        No, no. Alvarez signing up is a good thing. As a matter of fact, it is my sincere hope he never, ever comes off it till they nail his coffin shut. If he needs to be damned, then he should be damned for waiting until circumstances forced his hand. Because that’s what happened Andy. He was forced. No testing, no fans, no big payday fights.

    • Gilberto G

      he was tested a couple of times after the failed tests, this was all part of the NSAC investigation.

  • philoe bedoe

    Good picks on the mythical matchups again Doug.
    I think Hearns had a very good chance of stopping Floyd, he was nearly impossible to outbox and with one punch ko power………….

    • Here’s Barley!

      So agree Tommy too tall, too rangy, too fast – and way too powerful for Floyd IMO.

      • D. Gambino

        People said the same thing prior to Mayweather’s fight against Corrales…

        • Jody Hanna

          Tommy Hearns wasn’t Diego Corrales.

          • Captain Napalm

            Not even close.

        • Here’s Barley!

          Massive difference between Diego and Hearns, D. But that they did.

    • Captain Napalm

      I’ve stated this before and will state it again. With Floyd it was always a myth-match because he was too much of a pussified cash-grabbing twat to step up. No way he would have gone near Hearns. He knew he would have been nothing but a crappy little smear at the end of Tommy’s right mitt.

      • Here’s Barley!

        Lol. Well put.

      • Dug Fisher

        Floyd was one of the most intelligent boxers to ever step foot in the ring. Far too intelligent to believe that Hearns would have been anything other than a horrific style matchup for him. And Floyd didn’t like horrific style matchups.

        • Will Arbuckle

          After he moved up, Floyd was allergic to risky f8ghts.

    • Dug Fisher

      Tommy is the one guy who could effectively drop right hands over the top of that shoulder roll defense. With his height, range, speed and near perfect technique, that straight right would travel at too steep an angle for Floyd to handle for the full 12/15.

      And Tommy would outjab Floyd too.

      • Here’s Barley!

        Great point on saying ‘for the full 12’ – as I too think Mayweather would prove tricky for Hearns UNTIL the boom was lowered.

        • Julio

          I think Floyd would have given Hearns some problems similar to Benitez with his defensive genius. Unlike the Benitez fight, I think Hearns eventually catches Floyd.

          • Here’s Barley!

            I agree totally (as your post intimates – Benitez was just a tad larger and sturdier than Floyd – allowing him to last the distance).

      • philoe bedoe

        Good insight………..

    • And he had a great, long jab…. and that punch is poison to Mayweather, who had trouble with the average jabs of Maidana and the good but not spectacular jab of JL Castillo and the very good left stick of the faded ODLH and Cotto.

      • philoe bedoe

        Agreed………….

      • John Swan

        From the man himself:

        “I don’t know if that fight would have ever happened. Because you have to remember, Floyd is a lot smaller than I am. If we ever did fight, my size would have created major problems for him; I have a long reach and a good jab. And if I touched you with the jab, that meant the right hand was coming.”

        “I have a long reach, and I’m going to reach you. If I could touch him with the end of my jab, then that meant the right hand was coming. That’s the truth. If I kept any man at the end of my jab, that right hand would find you. Because the right hand was always right behind that left.”

      • D. Gambino

        While I don’t disagree with what’s been said about this MM, I feel that people are underrating Mayweather’s excellent chin and his ring IQ.

        Let’s not forget that Mayweather’s power is very underrated AND Hearns’ chin was average AT BEST. Secondly, Hearns’ defense was above-average AT BEST. If Sugar Ray Leonard was able to hurt Hearns, so could Mayweather. I can envision Mayweather could time Hearns and get him to run into a lead right hand. That would get Hearns to go into “thinking mode” and once he does that – he’d be fighting Mayweather’s fight.

        Don’t get me wrong, I do feel Hearns would find a way to beat Mayweather but it would be a lot closer fight than people think. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mayweather were to pull out a split decision win. This fight would’ve been in Vegas right?

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        Hey! You stop that! Do you also go into retirement homes and disparage the people who are there?

      • Julio

        Yes. That is the only shot that Mayweather truly had issues defending against.

      • Ivan Otero

        Loma is Weak because he was floor. And Mikey now will ko him. Ujum… I dont have long time memory problem and I still have in my mind Mikey getting floored WORST by Rocky

  • philoe bedoe

    Really looking forward to to Jack vs Stevenson.
    An hard one to pick but Badou’s effective yet basic style could be easy to figure out for Adonis……….

    • Charlie U.

      That one’s been on my radar since Showtime made their big announcement. The most intriguing fight of the bunch, imo. Can’t wait.

    • nick hapta

      If Stevenson wins, he’ll fight more tomato cans until he retires.
      If Jack wins, he won’t fight any of those three Russian champions any time soon, they’ll
      all put him on the canvas.

      • Captain Napalm

        If Stevenson wins then its back to the meatheads you’re right. If Jack wins he may well challenge Kovalev or Bivol. Forget about Beterbiev though. That guy won’t fight anything more threatening than a dead fish.

    • Captain Napalm

      Regardless who wins Smart guy Auto will remind us how great the fight was because of that superior Brothuh DNA. In which case I’m going call Stevenson a total waste of that good ol’ DNA from Da Hood. As well as a total idiot.
      Back in 2013 he fought 4 times. He knocked off the defending champion, KOed two solid contenders and became a superstar. Or was on his way to becoming one. And what did he do? F***ed it all up for himself and the fans by running to Al Haynon’s freak-farm. He could have stuck with HBO and took those huge money fights with Hopkins, Kovalev, Pascal, and Ward. But he hid behind Haymon’s skirt just to fight what ever ding or dong Haymon fed to him. Whut a dickhead. I hope Jack The Ripper chops him up.

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        Well, don’t forget that Baloo Jácques is only half-black so that means The Big Bad Pimp Daddy wins, right?

  • Here’s Barley!

    This one is as much for those understandably asking me “‘is this the real Barley?” – as I don’t intend to evoke B-Hop’s name anywhere near as much in times past. So this is B-Hop done one last time. It’s probably the most enlightening post I have EVER done on B-Hop – and it is the last (barring replies). * Some real interesting angles on Joshua-Wilder next week.

    On B-Hop defeatng Golovkin on a close points decision (Mailbag – mythical match-up). B-Hop was a very good two-weight champion indeed (something I have always conceded despite rumours to the contrary) – and I would personally (at present) place the Philadelphian above GGG in any ATG P-F-P list.

    But, that said, there is absolutely NO WAY that B-Hop would ever have triumphed were these two long-reigning middleweight champions to meet in any mythical match-up – because Golovkin’s style is the very blueprint for the style of fighter B-Hop NEVER looked good or fared well against.

    Hence B-Hop would have lost to Golovkin for exactly the same reasons he would also have lost to Bennie Briscoe, Nigel Benn and number of high-tempo, pressure fighters/punchers down the years whose modus operandi is to force/dictate the pace of a contest. Let me explain,

    B-Hop was a nullifier. That is, he specialized in controling the tempo of a contest in order to shut down the opposition from doing what they do best. All nullifiers – be they a Wlad Klitschko, Floyd Mayweather or B-Hop – employ a variety of differing methods to ‘pacify’ their opposition with the sole aim of being to STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT. B-Hop would employ pre-fight psychology at weigh-ins to cast doubt/fear into an opponents mind – and then would clutch, maul and tie-up the opposition in the ring itself (Wlad, too, would clutch and tie-up opponents). It was by utilizing such tactics that B-Hop was able to successfully CONTROL THE PACE of the vast majority of his contests – thus STOPPING A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT.

    Of course, when fighting the frequent big names from far lower divisions – De La Hoya, Trinidad, Brown, Daniels, Wright – Bernard didn’t need to employ clutching, mauling tactics (although he did use pre-fight psychology) – because those much smaller CHAMPIONS hailing from 147/154, however decorated, lacked the natural middleweight BODY STRENGTH to push past Bernard’s jab and take control of the pace of the contest.

    B-Hop did successfully control the pace of the fight and thus STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT when up against some of those larger, yet more lethargic, one-paced victims on his resume like Keith Holmes, Antonio Tarver (Bernard always fared well against fellow boxers – because those guys don’t fight at a high-tempo, frenetic pace).

    But ljust look what happens when B-hop comes up against large (natural 160 and above), high-tempo, aggressive punchers/pressure fighters who cannot be intimidated,

    Segundo Mercado (in Quito). Just why did Bernard get dropped twice and escape with a draw in Ecuador – only to prove just months later back in the US how desperately ordinary Mercado was (the Ecuadorian never defeated a top 10 Middleweight throughout a career compiled exclusively in his homeland) ?

    The editor has suggested B-Hop was pre-prime. But then so are ALL fighters shooting for their first title as B-Hop was. The great Hagler and Monzon were pre-prime when CRUSHING vastly better opposition than Mercado in Minter and Benvenuti respictively away from home in a hostile London and Rome. Hell, the 10 pro-fight Robin Reid was pre-prime when stopping Nardiello in Italy for HIS first world title. In reality, B-Hop was not only considerably MORE experienced than most fighters shooting for their first world title – let us not forget he had already fought 12 hard losing rounds against Roy Jones for the same title – but he was also more experienced than his opponent Mercado.

    The truth is Mercado, big and strong at 160 if nothing else, was driven on by home support and took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the contest thus forcing a FIGHT TO BREAK OUT. And THAT is the nightmare of all nullifiers (remember Mayweather against Castillo, and – to a lesser extent, Mosley?) – because once they lose control of the pace of a contest then the ability to nullify what an opponent (who is now in the driving seat) is doing has been taken away.

    A FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT. And the nullifier has already lost half the war because of it. (back in the US – with no home crowd to roar him on and make him world-class for the night – the non-accomplished Mercado ceded contro of the pace of the fight to B-Hop and lost in 7 timid rounds.

    Then there was Antwun Echols – a wild, aggressive, poor man’s Nigel Benn who dragged B-Hop through 22 torrid, hellish rounds for the precise reason he was able to take CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCE A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

    I have often asked just why was it that Echols – a forward marching puncher like Trinidad – was able to give B-Hop all the hell across two contests that the vastly superior Tito was unable to do when fighting B-Hop around the same point in B-Hop’s career. After all, Tito – one of the greatest fighters of all time and a veteran of 20+ world title fights across three divisions – was vastly better than a perennial failure like Echols (whose only ever world-class win came when he had to climb off th canvas three times to defeat an older Brewer).

    Answer ? The one and only advantage the strong, durable natural 160/168 pounder Echols had over the vastly superior TITO on both going in against B-Hop was the robust BODYSTRENGTH of a natural middleweight. And yet that’s the ONLY advantage Echols needed when pushing past Bernard’s jab, bullying the Philadelphian – and taking CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight. And THAT – for all his power, skill and accomplishment – is something the reed-thin, natural 147/154 pounder Tito just couldn’t do.

    Hence Bernard bossed little Tito all night long and STOPPED A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT.

    Same with Calzaghe. Too much pressure. Too aggressive. Too large and mentally strong to be pushed around in the ring or mentally cowed before it. Result ? A Calzaghe far closer to the end than was B-Hop (Calzaghehad enjoyed a similar length career/world title reign – yet fighting on the front foot against larger, tougher opposition) took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and dictated the tempo of the action (despite Cortez indulging B-Hop clutching all night).

    Same in B-Hop’s last ever contest, when – having lost CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight against the aggressive Joe Smith Jr – B-Hop simply quit (as he nearly did against Calzaghe – and as he did against Dawson). Most great fighters go out on their shields, yet B-Hop – unnable to STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT (nullifiers nightmare) – chose to bail out instead.

    And THAT ‘S why B-Hop would never have defeated a GGG – or a Benn, or a Briscoe.

    It’s not because they were greater fighters than Bernard – who would have defeated many clever boxers tthat those guys may not have done. It’s simply that B-Hop needed to CONTROL THE PACE of a contest in order to do well – as ALL nullifiers do. Once they lose control of the pace of a contest – once the other fighter is driving THEM back and dictating terms to THEM – then they have already failed in their primary objective – TO STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT.

    And we can be absolutely certain the high-tempo, suffocatingly-aggressive GGG – a far more educated pressure fighter than the home-inspired Mercado, Antwun Echols or even the more reckless Calzaghe – would have ripped CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight against B-Hop Thus FORCING A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT that ultimately would have led to B-Hop quitting or losing on points.

    .End of the B-Hop posts. And good to be back.
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    • Jorge

      Groundhog day. Anything can happen in the ring. GGG didn’t look so sharp v Jacobs.If that GGG shows up v. Bhop it might be a loss on his record. You just never know.

      • Here’s Barley!

        Sure, anything can happen on the night. However GGG really drives the pace of a contest – and all nullifiers, B-Hop included, tend to fare badly against those fighters who wrest control of the action from them (nullifiers NEED to be in control).

        When B-Hop lost control of the tempo of a fight – the first Mercado contest against a Mercado driven on by home support both Echols contests, the Calzaghe contest – the result was a panicking, uncomfortable, struggling Hopkins. A control freak who is no longer in control (as we have seen with fellow nullifiers Wladimir Klitschko and Mayweather at times).

        And GGG drives a harder pace than Mercado, Echols or even Calzaghe ever did.

        I still rate B-Hop a tad of GGG on a p-f-p basis. But, stylewise – GGG was all wrong for him. B-Hop fared well against his fellow boxers – those more even tempo fighters like Tarver or Holmes. But Hopkins always struggled against high-tempo, aggressive, physically-strong driven types – fighters who could push him back, bully HIM and force Bernard to fight at THEIR pace.
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        • Charlie U.

          Welcome back, B-Mac.

        • ceylon mooney

          bhop sure as shit dint control the pace of the joe smith jr fight.

          • Jody Hanna

            I loved that fight Ceylon.

          • Here’s Barley!

            Exactly. When up against an aggressive, physically-strong puncher B-Hop couldn’t intimidate, he ceded the temo of the contest and allowed a fight to break out. Result ? B-Hop lost control of the contest and bailed out (forget age – most old-timers go out on their shields).

            It was classic B-Hop. It’s just that Smith – perfect style though he had to trouble Hopkins – would never have been good enough to achieve what he did were B-Hop younger. However GGG – who also has the perfect style to defeat Hopkins – WOULD have been more than good enough (though not as good as B-Hop p-f-p IMO).

          • ceylon mooney

            in addition, i get the feeling joe smith didnt know he was supposed to lose.

            baller move on bhops part to fight smith. i hope smith gets to rematch barrera and demolish him. hes comin back in june or a bit later.

        • philoe bedoe

          I agree…………….

        • Jody Hanna

          He’d start looking for the exit .

        • Left Hook2

          I agree with you 100%. If Echols gives Hops a great fight, then G easily defeats him. At MW. I am sure that Hops finds a way to win at LHW.

          • Here’s Barley!

            That is the simple truth. If the pressure a career-unaccomplished MW puncher like Echols could give Hopkins fits over 22 rounds across TWO fights – then how would B-Hop have dealt with the far greater, far more educated pressure a GGG would have brought to him (ditto Benn and Briscoe).

      • ceylon mooney

        oh yea. i can see that.

      • Juan Manuel Valverde

        Yes but Jacobs wasn’t himself and STILL lost. GGG made him fight like that, still got dropped and lost at least 7 rounds.

    • Charlie U.

      With everything going on in boxing, you’re still writing War and Peace long novels about retired, 53 year old Bernard Hopkins? Nice to see you’ve evolved during your time off.

      • ceylon mooney

        oh man! that was at least a flash knockdown.

        • Charlie U.

          Haha. It’s nice to have him back. He does add some color to the discussion. But goddamn if he hasn’t beaten this B-Hop topic to death. I think the Executioner himself would agree that he was overrated if it meant he wouldn’t have to read another long winded take by Barley on how he spent most of his career feasting on little guys.

          • Jorge

            Overkill

          • Charlie U.

            You think?

      • Reggie Woodard

        War and Peace length novels, hahahaha awe man.

    • John Swan

      Coward.

      • Charlie U.

        Your email made the cut, Swan. Nice.

        • Here’s Barley!

          BLOCKED (in light of the fact you will never contribute anything worthwhile on boxing itself).

          • Jorge

            Here we go

          • Here’s Barley!

            Wrong. THAT’S why I block them – they feed of my better name. I don’t need the hassle (contrary to what some think).

          • Randall Bannister

            off*

          • Here’s Barley!

            Thanks for that. I am dealing/blocking the losers today in order to let the boxing do the talking from here on in. And your next numb nuts.

          • Randall Bannister

            Come on man! no need to block me, check your post history, I’m always fair with you Barley.

          • Charlie U.

            He never blocks really blocks anyone, Randall. He says he does, but he doesn’t. Too much of a narcissist to do that.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            I get it, there’s someone here that continuously calls me Ernesto, which I don’t like. This is a boxing forum for adults not children.

          • Stephen M

            Barley is certifiably crazy. Extensive boxing knowledge notwithstanding.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Dude come on dont block him. You knew that posting this kind of post would generate controversy. Thats why you wrote it! I agree with you but there’s also people that don’t and thats perfectly valid.

          • Here’s Barley!

            It wasn’t the post, Juan (I generally hate blocking). Yet he is one of several who relentlessly troll me due to my reputation on here – and to block them is to prevent the temptation to endlessly reply to said losers. It has nothing to do with boxing. Kudos.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Ok, I get that

          • Charlie U.

            So, I’m glad the mental institution has finally allowed you to start accessing the internet. Was that a product of your good behavior in there for the past year?

          • Here’s Barley!

            It’s if they put me on a ward with Hanna, Swan or yourself – that’s the scary thing. Lol. But seriously Charlie – don’t allow my presence to intimidate you so badly.

          • Charlie U.

            Hey, I’m happy you’re back. I welcome your return McGrew. I also look forward to the inevitable meltdown. Those are fun.

      • Here’s Barley!

        What ? A pathetic little troll who hides behind his keyboard trolling others calls ME a coward ? A little troll who greets my return with THAT ? Lol. I really do terrify you, don’t I John ? You desperately want to understand all I do – and yet you never will – hence you troll relentlessly. And you call ME a coward ?

        Oh, how you wish there was even but a single Swan imposter – as opposed to the dozens of Barley imposters who have apparently cropped over the past year. But who the hell would bother impersonating a nobody like you ?

        Go on John – tear yourself apart with envy. And give yourself an upvote from me.

        Now, I’m afraid it’s back to the ‘BLOCKED’ closet with you, you desperate, attention-needy little saddo – the same place I stored you for a year or so before I left (THAT post was the first of yours I had ‘read’ in nearly two years). Adios loser.

        • Charlie U.

          It must have been tough trying to type in a straitjacket.

        • John Swan

          Have you also blocked my email to Dougie which made the mailbag? Here’s hoping the men in the white coats catch up with you again soon and can put you under heavy sedation and back into the safety of your straitjacket.

    • Jody Hanna

      I agree with what you’re saying about Hopkins, but I had to give up on the long winded write up about two thirds of the way through.
      At least you left no doubt thst it was really you.

      • Charlie U.

        He does know how to make an entrance…and put you to sleep.

      • Left Hook2

        I never give up on a diatribe that puts clutcher Hopkins in perspective…

        • Here’s Barley!

          If it’s worth saying – it’s worth saying well (which is why Jodie is forced to self-publish).

          • Here’s Barley!

            This is as much for those understandably asking me “‘is this the real Barley?” – as I don’t intend to evoke B-Hop’s name anywhere near as much in times past. So this is B-Hop done one last time. It’s probably the most enlightening post I have EVER done on B-Hop – and it is the last (barring replies). * Some real interesting angles on Joshua-Wilder next week.

            On B-Hop defeatng Golovkin on a close points decision (Mailbag – mythical match-up). B-Hop was a very good two-weight champion indeed (something I have always conceded despite rumours to the contrary) – and I would personally (at present) place the Philadelphian above GGG in any ATG p-f-p list (to the surprise of many no doubt).

            But, that said, there is absolutely NO WAY that Hopkins would ever have triumphed were these two long-reigning MW champions to meet in any mythical match-up – because GGG’s style is the very blueprint for the style of fighter B-Hop NEVER looked good or fared well against.

            Indeed, B-Hop would have lost to Golovkin for exactly the same reasons he would also have lost to Bennie Briscoe, Nigel Benn – and any number of high-tempo, pressure fighters/punchers down the years whose modus operandi was to force/dictate the pace of a contest. Let me explain,

            B-Hop was a nullifier. That is, he specialized in controling the tempo of a contest in order to shut down the opposition from doing what they do best. All nullifiers – be they a Wlad Klitschko, Floyd Mayweather or B-Hop – employ a variety of differing methods to ‘pacify’ the opposition – the sole aim being to STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT.

            B-Hop, in particular, would employ pre-fight psychology at weigh-ins to cast doubt/fear into an opponents mind – then would clutch, maul and tie-up the opposition in the ring itself (Wlad, too, would clutch and tie-up opponents). Thus it was by utilizing such tactics that B-Hop was able to successfully CONTROL THE PACE of the fight in the vast majority of his world title contests.

            And, in doing so, he was able to STOP A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

            Of course, when fighting the frequent big names from far lower divisions – De La Hoya, Trinidad, Brown, Daniels, Wright – Bernard didn’t need to employ clutching, mauling tactics (although he did use pre-fight psychology) – because those much smaller champions hailing from 147/154, however decorated, lacked the natural middleweight BODY STRENGTH to push past Bernard’s jab and take control of the pace of the contest.

            B-Hop did successfully control the pace of the fight and thus STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT when up against some of those larger, yet more lethargic, one-paced victims on his resume like Keith Holmes and Antonio Tarver (B-Hop always fared well against his fellow boxers – because those guys don’t fight at a high-tempo, frenetic pace).

            But ljust look what happens when B-hop comes up against large (natural 160 and above), high-tempo, aggressive punchers/pressure fighters who cannot be intimidated,

            Segundo Mercado (in Quito). Just why did Bernard get dropped twice and escape with a draw in Ecuador? – only to prove just months later (back in the US) how desperately ordinary Mercado was (the Ecuadorian never defeated a top 10 MW throughout a career compiled exclusively in his homeland)

            The editor has suggested B-Hop was pre-prime. But then so are ALL fighters shooting for their first title as B-Hop was. The great Hagler and Monzon were pre-prime when CRUSHING vastly better opposition than Mercado in Minter and Benvenuti away from home in a hostile London and Rome. Hell, the 10 pro-fight Robin Reid was pre-prime when stopping Nardiello in Italy for HIS first world title.

            In reality, B-Hop was not only considerably MORE experienced than most fighters shooting for their first world title – let us not forget he had already fought 12 hard losing rounds against Roy Jones for the same title – but he was also notably more experienced than his opponent Mercado.

            The truth is Mercado, big and strong at 160 if nothing else, was driven on by home support and took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the contest thus forcing a FIGHT TO BREAK OUT. And THAT is the nightmare of all nullifiers (remember Mayweather against Castillo, and – to a lesser extent, Mosley?)

            A FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT. And the nullifier has already lost half the war because of it. (back in the US – with no home crowd to roar him on and make him world-class for the night – the non-accomplished Mercado ceded control of the pace of the fight to B-Hop and lost in 7 rounds.)

            Then there was Antwun Echols – a wild, aggressive, poor man’s Nigel Benn who dragged B-Hop through 22 torrid, hellish rounds for the precise reason he was able to take CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCE A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

            Why was it that Echols – a forward marching puncher like Trinidad – was able to give B-Hop all the hell across two contests that the vastly superior Tito was unable to do when fighting B-Hop around the same point in B-Hop’s career? After all, Tito – one of the greatest fighters of all time and a veteran of 20+ world title fights across three divisions – was vastly better than a perennial failure like Echols (whose only ever world-class win came when he had to climb off the canvas three times to defeat an older Charles Brewer).

            Answer ? The one and only advantage the strong, durable natural 160/168 pounder Echols had over the vastly superior Tito on both going in against B-Hop was the robust BODYSTRENGTH of a natural middleweight.

            And yet that’s the ONLY advantage Antwun needed when pushing past Bernard’s jab, bullying the Philadelphian – and taking CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight. And THAT – for all his power, skill and accomplishment – is something the reed-thin, natural 147/154 pounder Tito just couldn’t do.

            Hence B-Hop STOPPED A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT and controled Felix all night long..

            It was the same with Joe Calzaghe – who was too big, too mentally strong and too aggressive to allow himself to be mentally or physically controlled. Result ? A Calzaghe far closer to the end than was B-Hop (Calzaghe had enjoyed a similar length career/world title reign – yet fighting on the front foot against larger, tougher opposition) took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCED A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (despite Cortez indulging B-Hop’s clutching all night).

            Joe controlled the pace of the fight. And B-Hop lost. No surprise.

            Which brings us back to why B-Hop would never have defeated a GGG – or a Benn or Briscoe.

            For we can be absolutely certain the high-tempo, suffocatingly-aggressive GGG – a far more educated pressure fighter than the home-inspired Mercado, Antwun Echols or even the more reckless Calzaghe – would have ripped CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight from B-Hop Thus FORCING A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT that ultimately would have led to B-Hop quitting or losing on points.

            .End of the B-Hop posts. And good to be back.

          • Jody Hanna

            Eat shit

      • Stephen M

        I think the avatar is a solid hint as well.

        • Here’s Barley!

          Although you are probably drunk, Stephen (you owned up to it) – so you can’t be sure.

          • Stephen M

            Hey Barley welcome back and fuck you!

      • Here’s Barley!

        Not remotely as long or long-winded as your self-published book on Amazon, I’d wager Jodie. Note: The above piece was written as an article, dummy – not as a short post. And THAT’S why I blocked you before – and shall do so again.

        • Charlie U.

          At least Jody had a legitimate book. Where are all these boxing articles you claim to have written?

        • Jody Hanna

          Didn’t take you long to start acting the arsehole again.

          • Stephen M

            He’s not acting.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      I totally agree. To me BHop was one of the dirtiest nullyfiers in the sport. Against a guy like Hagler or GGG he would get bullied and taken out of his comfort zone. Specially if he would be VADA tested before the fight. Wouldnt that have been interesting? Actually testing a 45 year old that looked like a 32 year old. Weird.

      • philoe bedoe

        I’m not one to point fingers at boxers who haven’t failed drug test, but you do make a good point about Hopkins……….

        • Here’s Barley!

          B-Hop is so beloved of the media – regardless of the fact he was such a terminally-boring fighter – that I wouln’t be surprised if they conspired to cover up any positive test. Heroes get air-brushed all the time.

          • philoe bedoe

            Stranger things have happened…………..

          • Here’s Barley!

            Lol. So true.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            I’ve heard they covered Roy Jones Jr. Positive tests…

          • Here’s Barley!

            They never did like Roy (the Ring used to admit Bernard avoided Roy – who had already defeated him then moved up to contest Toney and a world-class heavyweight among other challenges. Then they closed rans around B-Hop’s reputation – and ludicrously started insisting that Roy was avoiding Bernard.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            I also don’t understand why they love him so much, he was an a-hole with them for much of his career.

          • Here’s Barley!

            The boring style, that attitude – it is very strange.

          • ceylon mooney

            plenty of fights not boring. DLH, trinidad, pavlik…

          • Here’s Barley!

            Plenty of fights, mostly boring – and infamous for it. And all three of those fighters you mention – Tito, Pavlik and ODH – were coming up from at least two natural divisions lower to fight a larger B-Hop.

            Other champions – Wlad, Ward, Floyd – are lambasted by the media for the very same ‘offences’. Only with B-Hop did a penchant for fighting much smaller fighters – and a tendency to fight cautiously on the back foot – bring so much media praise. With others – just sneers.
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        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          Look, when McGwire and Sosa broke the homerun record, they weren’t the only ones hitting more than normal. Ken Griffey, Greg Vaugh, and others were over 50 homeruns that year, for years nobody would get even close to that., Suddenly 4, 5 guys are close? Something must not be right. Same thing when the whole Jamaican team was breaking running records. How come?

          In the last 15 years we’ve seen plenty of fighters performing at age 35 and up as if they were 25 years old. Wladimir Klitschko, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley, Marquez, Bernard Hopkins….. how come? Did we “evolve” in two or three years as a race? No… it take millions of years for evolution to kick in. Reality is, when many athletes are suddenly breaking records, or performing in a way that has never been done from one year to another, then something’s wrong.

          • TNT

            Victor Conte provides an insiders perspective. PEDs are endemic across sports.

          • Here’s Barley!

            Very good point. Sobering.

          • Dee Money

            I wouldn’t say we evolved, and certainly wouldnt argue that banned PEDs are not a part of boxing. But I think there is more to fighters, and athletes in general performing at a high level while in their 30s.

            Training methods to take care of an athletes body are always improving as are diets and the use of legal supplements. Moreover, top fighters nowadays can put less mileage on themselves and further lengthen their careers.

      • Left Hook2

        If I remember correctly…he said he wouldn’t fight Joe Smith if he had to test…

      • Michael Montero

        But but only foreigners take peds

  • Charlie U.

    I agree that Doug deserves a lot of credit for the way he handled the Canelo situation. He let us know what was really up, without directly criticizing his boss. Kudos to him, as our favorite returning xenophobe might say. But I can’t give Canelo credit for enrolling in Vada’s year round testing. After two failed tests and a public reluctance to enroll that was met with backlash, his hand was forced. He had no choice. If he continues to perform at a high level while being tested year round, he will gain back a lot of the respect he lost…at least from me.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      What about GGG? I still haven’t seen him enroll.

      • Charlie U.

        GGG didn’t fail two tests. And he tested throughout the entire period of time leading up to May 5th.

        • Jorge

          He wasn’t always using VADA testing, so it’s hard for him to fail those tests if he wasn’t testing before.

          • Charlie U.

            He was being tested, though. Same as Canelo.

          • Jorge

            For this fight

          • Charlie U.

            If you want to speculate on every single boxer that steps in the ring, that’s your prerogative. But Canelo actually failed two tests.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Yes but now Canelo has enrolled. Why hasn’t GGG done it? It goes both ways buddy. Be consistent

          • Charlie U.

            Canelo had to. He failed the tests. Stop the witch hunt against guys who have never failed anything…buddy. By the way, what did you think of that “boring” Lomachenko fight last week? You’ve made it clear how his fighting style puts you to sleep. Good call…pal.

          • Gilberto G

            The WBC removed Canelo from their rankings for not enrolling in the CBP year round testing, so if Golovkin is not enrolled then why is he still ranked?

          • Charlie U.

            Dude…Canelo failed two tests!!! GGG was tested during the same exact period of time.

          • Charlie U.

            Apologize for the snarky reply before. The return of Barley has brought out some negative vibes.

          • Here’s Barley!

            Kind of put you in the shade, haven”t I troll ? After all those imposters – yet the king has finally returned (anyone ever paid you the compliment of imitation troll ? I thought not).

          • Charlie U.

            I thought you blocked me! Lol. You can’t keep your word for even five minutes. My question is: how can you type with that straitjacket on?

          • Charlie U.

            In your case, I don’t think the imitation was flattery. It was mockery.

          • Jody Hanna

            You are seriously deluded.

          • John Swan

            So you’ve finally gotten over having become the most unpopular person on this website and after I ran you out of here last time you lost the plot? I will be keeping a very close eye on this you once again you cowardly weasel.

          • Here’s Barley!

            John, I have actually unblocked you this one time as I noticed a post I left you has been taken down. So I shall just say this. You and a miserly four others troll my avatar relentlessly precisely BECAUSE I am THE most admired/-espected-feared poster on this site.

            And you in particular have always been insanely envious of this. And that is beause you are a deluded wannabe who craves respect as some sort of ‘boxing expert’ (whatever that is) yet gets none.

            Incidently, there are just FIVE of you I have to block – yourself, Hanna, Bannister, Underbright and Stephen M. Hardly ‘unpopular – when viewed against the huge number of fellow posters I frequently swap entertaining, informaive posts with. Five sad bitter trolls. That’s all.

            I had you on block between October 2016 and February 2017 when I gave up ALL social media (including Twitter) due to relocating for work. Your post yesterday was the first of yours I have read for early two years you fool – so how on Earth have you got yourself ‘running me off this site’ ?

            I cannot even see all you say. dummy – that’s what blocking does.. How utterly deluded do you get ? Did not the fact I hadn’t replied to any of your posts in over 8 months give you some sort of clue I was unaware of them ? Lol.

            You are a lifelong, perennial nobody. I get recognised, respected, feared, admired and both loved and loathed in roughly equal measure for all I do whatever I happen to be doing. That’s why – like all trolls craving attention – you attach yourself to my avatar like a parasite and attempt to feed off it.

            Get a life, John. That’s what took me to pastures new this past year – and it’s what gains me the reputation I have today. Which so badly chews you up inside. Stop trying to live vicariously through others. Try getting a life yourself.

            Now I am going to block you again, John. And you will remain blocked just as you were before for several months. And – to explain – that means I cannot see what you or the paltry other 5 posters I have on block. are saying. Get it ?

            Now back into the closet you go.

          • John Swan

            The only people who fear you are the women you stalked here and on Twitter and made inappropriate comments towards you pervert.

          • Gilberto G

            Juan, is CBP year round testing the same as year round VADA?

          • Jorge

            Doing VADA testing which not everyone does that. So if you don’t get tested and you don’t fail a test that means you are clean? That is failed logic.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Agree

          • Charlie U.

            Huh? I’m not even sure what that means. I’m saying you can’t just assume someone is dirty. Give these guys credit for their hard-work, preparation, discipline, and ability. Canelo failed two tests. He should be tested more now. He has to redeem himself. Why are you going on a witch hunt against guys who have not failed anything? How is that fair?

          • Jorge

            Because if they aren’t being tested year round they might be cycling? Do you understand how that works? I can explain it to you. Your logic is that because he got busted he should do year round testing. What I’m saying is that standard should be for everyone (especially champions). Because you don’t get caught doesn’t mean you aren’t dirty especially with PED’s and cycling. Too many examples of this

          • Charlie U.

            So, if it’s so easy to cycle, why did Canelo get caught? Why hasn’t every other boxing champion been caught?

          • Jorge

            I have to speculate, But As far as Canelo maybe he was caught because he was stupid and thought he wouldn’t be caught? Or maybe it was some contaminated meat and that’s why he offered to do hair testing and now year round testing. And on your last question? why haven’t others been caught? Maybe because they don’t do year round testing (Floyd, Manny, etc) because they understand how cycling works alot better? But VADA has caught some fighters and I think they are the best right now.

          • Charlie U.

            I agree with all that except the contaminated meat part. That’s just being naive.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Two reasons:
            1) They miscalculated (didn’t expect them to go to Guadalajara to test him)
            2) He ate contaminated meat.

            One or the other ..

          • Jorge

            It’s not a witch hunt to ask for year round testing. That should be the standard. Why is that wrong?

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            You also can’t assume they’re clean. It goes both ways buddy.

          • Charlie U.

            I don’t assume anyone’s clean. But that’s different than assuming they’re guilty, which it feels like you’re doing.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Exactly. I expected him to do it the moment Canelo failed the test. If you want to point fingers with a straight face you have to be doing what completely clears YOU of guilt.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Yet he still hasn’t enrolled in the 365/24/7 program. Nobody has! Only Rodriguez and Donire did it in the past. Now Canelo. Im a big GGG fan but I’m also not a blind sheep. He hasn’t done it and now if he wants to be viewes as completely clean, has to.

          • Charlie U.

            Juan, are you just going to speculate that every fighter who doesn’t enroll in year-round Vada is dirty? Other guys didn’t caught doing anything, Canelo did. They got tested the same way Canelo did.

          • Jorge

            Maybe because they weren’t tested. Or maybe they knew when to properly cycle? That’s why they don’t want to do year round testing.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Exactly. Only 365/24/7 proves what they’re really doing.

          • Rdb85

            Actually it doesnt, look at cycling and the olympics…. takes years for the testers to catch up

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Yes. I am. I always have. I’ve stayed consistent. I don’t believe anybody. I only know that the guys that do VADA for a fight are proven clean during training camp. Fact is we dont know whats going on while they’re not fighting.

          • Charlie U.

            Ok, good. You don’t believe anybody. There’s no way to debate that. Thanks for clarifying your position and saving me time.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            No problem. I’ve never believed anybody. My favorite fighter James Toney, a fat piece of lard tested positive. Erik Morales, my hometown hero, tested positive. How the hell can I trust anybody? Right now, my favorite fighter hasn’t tested positive (GGG), yet I demand he enrolls in the 365/24/7 VADA testing program, I want me to prove he’s as clean as he says he is. If he goes out and says that Canelo and Oscar are cheaters, then he needs to prove it the only way you can.

          • Rick

            What testing is it the WBC requires (supposedly)? It’s not year round?

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            It is year round but from what I’ve heard they rarely test.

          • Rick

            You almost have to be suspicious of a program run by the WBC. It seems they’re not above putting their own interests first. It would be nice if the sport as a whole would adopt a set of standards and stick with it. Wishful thinking I know.

      • Charlie U.

        Why are you trying to spin this around on GGG?

        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          Not spin it, just demanding the stars to enroll. I want a clean sport, and I want my favorite fighter to prove what we all think?

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        He don’t need to. He don’t eat no beef, only goats from Kazakhstan!

  • Michel Desgrottes

    Gary wins, my heart is with Badou, but i think my zoe bredren Adonis might catch him with that left, we shall see

    Loma is a little vulnerable (as is bud also but thats another convo) and i think the right fighter like Mikey could exploit that, maybe at least

    im not really impressed by the ESPN numbers cause, its basic cable and everyone has espn, it should be higher numbers for the way he is marketed, and speaking of marketing, that fight wasnt promoted as well as it could have been, as a NYer, there wasn’t a buzz for it, and i heard there were plenty of seats empty, why is that, as skillful as Loma is, will he be a household name in America? will he blow up? is he moving up in weight too soon?

    canelo needs to go after the WBO belt, i think BJS would school him but i would still like to see it, forget the GGG fight, he doesn’t need him

    • Left Hook2

      Boxing is a niche sport. The only way to go beyond the niche is to get arrested multiple times (Broner, May), or get on a national TV show/crossover (May with WWE, Dancing with Stars, Pac and DLH on the Late Night Show circuits).

    • Michael Montero

      Vulnerable lol. Do you expect fighters to win 12-0 without getting touched. There’s a reason Mikey has had nearly 40 fights and his resume is so thin.

  • Randall Bannister

    Barleys back. who’s going to be next Autosmell? Sarahsmile81? where’s Captain Ron? we need to get the old band back together and make a comments sections like Fleetwood Mac’s rumours, we all hate each other but god it’d be an interesting read..

    • Jorge

      Hell yeah! Not Larry though as soon as Floyd stop fighting he stopped writing.

    • Charlie U.

      Captain Ron is still around, I think. I believe he’s Captain Napalm now.

      • DRE

        Cap Ron/Napalm shows up from time to time I noticed. He’s like some Triple T/Autosmell hybrid. In other words he’s not as funny as Autosmell but still sharper than that TTT person (who I think is now that “GGGamma Show” character)

        • Charlie U.

          Lol, good analysis.

        • Captain Napalm

          Okay I get it. Auto’s the smart one and we’re a bunch of dunces. Thank you fer not confusing me with TTT like others have done.

          • Rick

            There’s only one Catfucker though.

      • Captain Napalm

        Ding Ding!!! Good one Sherlock!

        • Charlie U.

          Lol?

    • DRE

      There can only be one Autosmell. He’s the only one of his species. Lol!

      • Here’s Barley!

        He’s a legend. And he’s the wittiest guy on here.

        • DRE

          Yep. He’s the head of the class. The standards we all should go by.

        • Charlie U.

          Hey McGrew, your self-awarness has really grown in the last year. I mean, the Shining as your avatar? We all knew you were bat shit crazy but I’m glad you realize it now, too.

      • Captain Napalm

        Yeah, scientist still can’t figure out what the guy is.

    • Charlie U.

      What about Larry and TMT Ola?

      • Randall Bannister

        Yep, they’re invited too. the more the merrier. It’s gonna be more like Band Aid than Fleetwood Mac though

      • Stephen M

        Larry is around once in a while but his heart isn’t in it anymore. He misses Floyd and Andre. Ola will be back when we get a new black guy to hate. He has nothing to say while we hate on a Mexican…

        • Charlie U.

          To Larry’s credit, he has been a fan of Lomachenko for awhile now. It’s good to have some dissenting voices, even if I rarely agreed with him. I’m not sure we’ll see Ola again. It’s been a long time. He might have retired with Mayweather back when he fought Berto. He defended Floyd like one of his ‘roided Voltron goons…but without any pay.

          • Stephen M

            I gave Larry credit when he deserved it: two upvotes. He was disingenuous to put it mildly.

          • Charlie U.

            To each his own. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I probably gave him only a few more than that. But I’d take Disingenuous Larry over Psychotic Monsieur Archambault any day.

          • Stephen M

            Yes.

          • Charlie U.

            To what part?

          • Stephen M

            The last part.

    • Jody Hanna

      I want that Hagler/Hearns/Jones/Jackson bloke back, he was a firecracker.

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        “Firecracker” must be British/Australian euphemism for fill-in-your-word.

    • Shame and damnation upon whoever ran off Sara.

      • John Swan

        That was Barley too. Creepy comments towards her.

      • Jody Hanna

        Well said.

      • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

        She still stalking you on Twitter though! Tell her to get her ass back here!

        • philoe bedoe

          Ive asked her the same thing…………..

      • ceylon mooney

        well…lest be real, this is a mens room. not a truck stop mens room, but def a mens room. kinda like the coming to america barber shop.

      • Charlie U.

        Doug, you know who ran her off.

        • Jody Hanna

          I do.

    • LOMATARD

      TCD Autosale
      Larry Conor
      Ritchie
      Ms. Brian Jensen
      Pacturd I mean pactard
      Ola
      and that cat molester

      What happened to these guys?

      • Rick

        Catfucker is still lurking around. He’s been posting on this mailbag as a matter of fact.

        • LOMATARD

          That animal abuser still alive? damn

    • Stephen M

      I miss Sarah.

    • Matt M

      The old band of what?……Losers with nothing better to do than post on the internet all day?…..Lolz.

  • Jorge

    This mailbag made a turn for the worst

    • Charlie U.

      Or better? Depends on perspective.

      • Juan Manuel Valverde

        debate is always fun

      • Chris Stans

        I think it’s going to be lit

    • Jody Hanna

      Sure did.

  • Here’s Barley!

    Here’s Barley! • 2 hours ago
    Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by RingTV.
    This one is as much for those understandably asking me “‘is this the real Barley?” – as I don’t intend to evoke B-Hop’s name anywhere near as much in times past. So this is B-Hop done one last time. It’s probably the most enlightening post I have EVER done on B-Hop – and it is the last (barring replies). * Some real interesting angles on Joshua-Wilder next week.

    On B-Hop defeatng Golovkin on a close points decision (Mailbag – mythical match-up). B-Hop was a very good two-weight champion indeed (something I have always conceded despite rumours to the contrary) – and I would personally (at present) place the Philadelphian above GGG in any ATG p-f-p list (to the surprise of many no doubt).

    But, that said, there is absolutely NO WAY that Hopkins would ever have triumphed were these two long-reigning MW champions to meet in any mythical match-up – because GGG’s style is the very blueprint for the style of fighter B-Hop NEVER looked good or fared well against.

    Indeed, B-Hop would have lost to Golovkin for exactly the same reasons he would also have lost to Bennie Briscoe, Nigel Benn – and any number of high-tempo, pressure fighters/punchers down the years whose modus operandi was to force/dictate the pace of a contest. Let me explain,

    B-Hop was a nullifier. That is, he specialized in controling the tempo of a contest in order to shut down the opposition from doing what they do best. All nullifiers – be they a Wlad Klitschko, Floyd Mayweather or B-Hop – employ a variety of differing methods to ‘pacify’ the opposition – the sole aim being to STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT.

    B-Hop, in particular, would employ pre-fight psychology at weigh-ins to cast doubt/fear into an opponents mind – then would clutch, maul and tie-up the opposition in the ring itself (Wlad, too, would clutch and tie-up opponents). Thus it was by utilizing such tactics that B-Hop was able to successfully CONTROL THE PACE of the fight in the vast majority of his world title contests.

    And, in doing so, he was able to STOP A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

    Of course, when fighting the frequent big names from far lower divisions – De La Hoya, Trinidad, Brown, Daniels, Wright – Bernard didn’t need to employ clutching, mauling tactics (although he did use pre-fight psychology) – because those much smaller champions hailing from 147/154, however decorated, lacked the natural middleweight BODY STRENGTH to push past Bernard’s jab and take control of the pace of the contest.

    B-Hop did successfully control the pace of the fight and thus STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT when up against some of those larger, yet more lethargic, one-paced victims on his resume like Keith Holmes and Antonio Tarver (B-Hop always fared well against his fellow boxers – because those guys don’t fight at a high-tempo, frenetic pace).

    But ljust look what happens when B-hop comes up against large (natural 160 and above), high-tempo, aggressive punchers/pressure fighters who cannot be intimidated,

    Segundo Mercado (in Quito). Just why did Bernard get dropped twice and escape with a draw in Ecuador? – only to prove just months later (back in the US) how desperately ordinary Mercado was (the Ecuadorian never defeated a top 10 MW throughout a career compiled exclusively in his homeland)

    The editor has suggested B-Hop was pre-prime. But then so are ALL fighters shooting for their first title as B-Hop was. The great Hagler and Monzon were pre-prime when CRUSHING vastly better opposition than Mercado in Minter and Benvenuti away from home in a hostile London and Rome. Hell, the 10 pro-fight Robin Reid was pre-prime when stopping Nardiello in Italy for HIS first world title.

    In reality, B-Hop was not only considerably MORE experienced than most fighters shooting for their first world title – let us not forget he had already fought 12 hard losing rounds against Roy Jones for the same title – but he was also notably more experienced than his opponent Mercado.

    The truth is Mercado, big and strong at 160 if nothing else, was driven on by home support and took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the contest thus forcing a FIGHT TO BREAK OUT. And THAT is the nightmare of all nullifiers (remember Mayweather against Castillo, and – to a lesser extent, Mosley?)

    A FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT. And the nullifier has already lost half the war because of it. (back in the US – with no home crowd to roar him on and make him world-class for the night – the non-accomplished Mercado ceded control of the pace of the fight to B-Hop and lost in 7 rounds.)

    Then there was Antwun Echols – a wild, aggressive, poor man’s Nigel Benn who dragged B-Hop through 22 torrid, hellish rounds for the precise reason he was able to take CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCE A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

    Why was it that Echols – a forward marching puncher like Trinidad – was able to give B-Hop all the hell across two contests that the vastly superior Tito was unable to do when fighting B-Hop around the same point in B-Hop’s career? After all, Tito – one of the greatest fighters of all time and a veteran of 20+ world title fights across three divisions – was vastly better than a perennial failure like Echols (whose only ever world-class win came when he had to climb off the canvas three times to defeat an older Charles Brewer).

    Answer ? The one and only advantage the strong, durable natural 160/168 pounder Echols had over the vastly superior Tito on both going in against B-Hop was the robust BODYSTRENGTH of a natural middleweight.

    And yet that’s the ONLY advantage Antwun needed when pushing past Bernard’s jab, bullying the Philadelphian – and taking CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight. And THAT – for all his power, skill and accomplishment – is something the reed-thin, natural 147/154 pounder Tito just couldn’t do.

    Hence B-Hop STOPPED A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT and controled Felix all night long..

    It was the same with Joe Calzaghe – who was too big, too mentally strong and too aggressive to allow himself to be mentally or physically controlled. Result ? A Calzaghe far closer to the end than was B-Hop (Calzaghe had enjoyed a similar length career/world title reign – yet fighting on the front foot against larger, tougher opposition) took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCED A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (despite Cortez indulging B-Hop’s clutching all night).

    Joe controlled the pace of the fight. And B-Hop lost. No surprise.

    Which brings us back to why B-Hop would never have defeated a GGG – or a Benn or Briscoe.

    For we can be absolutely certain the high-tempo, suffocatingly-aggressive GGG – a far more educated pressure fighter than the home-inspired Mercado, Antwun Echols or even the more reckless Calzaghe – would have ripped CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight from B-Hop Thus FORCING A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT that ultimately would have led to B-Hop quitting or losing on points.

    .End of the B-Hop posts. And good to be back.

    • Jorge

      You’re doing it again man

      • Jody Hanna

        Didn’t take long.

    • Here’s Barley!

      Note the ‘Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by RingTV.com ? (I pasted this original piece back it was being taken down – then pasted it elsewhere without the ‘Hold on’ bit). THAT’S what I meant.

      • John Swan

        Delusional fool.

  • DRE

    With this all this ongoing talks about this Canelo and his doping I’ll say this: This year is still not half over but this Canelo scandal is going to be Ring’s 2018 Event Of The Year. That means 2 Event Of The Year awards for Canelo. Man’s on a roll.

    • Stephen M

      Lol.

  • Joseph Ragusa

    The Calzaghe-Lacy analogy is a good one I think. It’s funny how when people talk about Russell being so talented (and he IS), they sometimes forget to point out “oh, but Loma had no trouble with him in his third pro fight.” It’s like Bobby Thompson’s” Giants win the pennant” being remembered, and their inevitable subsequent loss to the mighty Yankees never being mentioned. (I know I ramble. Sorry.)

  • Randall Bannister

    Just one point on the BBC article referenced in the mailbag. When I first read it I thought “fuck off Buncey” typical hyperbole being spouted from his mouth but then people at work who have never shown any interest in boxing whatsoever starting talking about him (LomaNchenko) – Granted I live in the U.K. so they probs read the article also but maybe he is about to cross over.

    Here comes the controversial statement: He should box in the U.K. against Luke Campbell – that would really put him on the map as the U.K. is the premier place to be for boxing right now, and it’d make it easier for all his Ukrainian fans to see the fight rather than fighting on the east coast. Linares definitely benefited from his two Crolla fights in terms of exposure even if he did dominate both fights.

    If you haven’t seen the Mitchell vs Linares fight – I really recommend watching it. Fistic brutality and if Mitchell (that is a BIG IF) had his shit together earlier in his career (from a personal perspective) he’d of finished Linares. no doubt in my mind.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      love that you capitalized the non existent N that a lot of boxing broadcasters and writers keep using. Teddy Atlas was calling him Loma N Chenko on ESPN.

  • Giuseppe

    MM:

    James Toney (the version who beat Holyfield) vs Povetkin.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      Both on steroids?

      • D. Gambino

        Of course Juan! We can’t have it any other way.

        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          Ok, then Toney

      • Giuseppe

        of course! russian rules

    • D. Gambino

      Damn. That’s a tough one Giuseppe. I sense Toney would have enough to beat Povetkin. He’s forgot more about boxing than Povetkin will ever know and Povetkin lumbers around and isn’t that fast. Toney would have him whiffing at everything.

      Maybe I’m bias because I always loved watching that guy fight. His fight against Jirov is still one of my all time favorite fights!

      • Giuseppe

        mine too

      • Stephen M

        Me too. Terrific fight.

    • ceylon mooney

      good one there

  • D. Gambino

    I’m having the hardest time picking a winner between Stevenson/Jack. I really want Jack to win because I’m tired of Stevenson camping on that belt and not fighting anyone worthy. This is Jack’s second fight at 175 and Jack has been hurt in the past. If Jack can get make it past the 4th round – I definitely like Jack’s chances of winning as Stevenson will gas out late.

    I’m going against the grain here and picking Russell Jr to win this by UD. I will not be surprised if Russell stops him. People are putting too much stock into Russell’s “desire” and lack of activity. I like Diaz and feel he can be a champ in the future but this is a BIG step up in competition for him.

    • william ellis

      Russell has a lot of talent – I saw his fights with Gonzalez and Lomachenko – the KO of Gonzalez was impressive, and although he got beat by Loma, the fight was competitive and fun to watch. I know it only was Loma’s third pro fight, but I think Loma was already comfortable as a pro. If Russell has kept his sharpness – a big if – he will be hard to beat again. This is a great match-up.

      • D. Gambino

        Russell is gym rat and I would be very surprised if he is not sharp in this fight. Even if we only say a Russell at 85% – that should still be enough to beat whatever Diaz is bringing. I don’t say that as a means of talking shit about Diaz.

        It’s also worth stating that Russell is a natural counter puncher. Diaz has that Mexican-pressure style so this benefits Russell even more.

        • Stephen M

          I’d be tremendously surprised if Diaz wins.

          • D. Gambino

            Win or lose this will be a good indicator for us to learn how good Diaz really is. At least for me it will – I do expect Diaz to be competitive in this fight early on but once Russell gets going we will see how Diaz adapts in the ring.

          • ceylon mooney

            cant pick diaz. im rootin for him but i dont see him winnin. great match tho.

          • Stephen M

            If Diaz doesn’t get knocked out he is better than I think.

        • william ellis

          Good points.

        • ceylon mooney

          looks to me that diaz is really well rounded

          • D. Gambino

            Sure he does – against average opposition. Diaz has never fought anyone remotely close to Russell. Hell Diaz hasn’t even fought a top-10 ranked fighter!

          • ceylon mooney

            true that. this is a HELLUVA step up.

          • Chris Stans

            Sure he’s well rounded, but I can’t think of a thing that he does better than russel. Grj is as fast if not faster and seems to be sitting down on his punches more since his loss.

  • Reggie Woodard

    Any predictions on the Selby/Worrington tilt?

    • Conrad

      You ever watched the Mayweather boxing club’s predictions? They asked about this fight and I don’t think one person knew of both fighters

      • Reggie Woodard

        I haven’t watched it.. Is it any good? Regarding the fighters, I can understand them not knowing Worrington but Selby has some recognition I thought.

    • D. Gambino

      Selby unanimous decision…

  • Pit bull

    Cooney/ fury is a good matchup.
    I remember the cooney/ Holmes. What a build up it was. The white hope, Holmes hated n resented the fact that this white kid having his first real test was taking all the spot light n being paid the bigger purse. Cooney is very underated at hwt,, which is understanding ‘cause he was brought along to in cotton wool n was inactive as far as those times were concerned,, funny enough he was more like the fighters of the today.. but cooney was very good against a prime Holmes who is one the great hwts,, cooney was on even terms with Holmes until the far more experienced Holmes got to him,, cooneys hook to the body is one of the best I’ve seen in the hwts,, he hurt the incredibly tough holmes with it ,, cooneys hook to the head was a wrecking ball n he had good reach ,, he wouldn’t have stood n stared at fury like wlad did,, cooney would be pressuring fury all night hitting the brit with hooks in the body. I’d give cooney the edge with a ko over fury

    • Jody Hanna

      Me too.

  • Here’s Barley!

    For those doubting it’s the ‘real Barley’. One last B-Hop post (relevant to a mythical match-up poser) before moving on to Joshua, Wilder and ppastures new over the next few weeks. Enjoy – winners and losers.

    On B-Hop defeatng Golovkin on a close points decision (Mailbag – mythical match-up).

    There is very little chance that Hopkins would ever have triumphed were these two long-reigning MW champions to meet in any mythical match-up – because GGG’s style is the very blueprint for the style of fighter B-Hop NEVER looked good or fared well against.

    B-Hop would have lost to GGG for exactly the SAME reasons he would also have lost to Bennie Briscoe, Nigel Benn – and any number of high-tempo, pressure fighters/punchers down the years whose modus operandi was to force/dictate the pace of a contest. To explain,

    B-Hop was a nullifier. That is, he specialized in controling the tempo of a contest in order to shut down the opposition from doing what they do best. All nullifiers – be they a Wlad Klitschko, Floyd Mayweather or B-Hop – employ a variety of differing methods to ‘pacify’ the opposition – the sole aim being to STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT.

    B-Hop, in particular, would employ pre-fight psychology at weigh-ins to cast doubt/fear into an opponents mind – then would clutch, maul and tie-up the opposition in the ring itself (Wlad, too, would clutch and tie-up opponents). Thus it was by utilizing such tactics that B-Hop was able to successfully CONTROL THE PACE of the fight in the vast majority of his world title contests.

    And thus by doing so to STOP A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT (the nullifiers nightmare).

    Of course, when fighting the frequent big names from far lower divisions – De La Hoya, Trinidad, Brown, Daniels, Wright – Bernard didn’t need to employ clutching, mauling tactics (although he did use pre-fight psychology) – because those much smaller champions hailing from 147/154, however decorated, lacked the natural middleweight BODY STRENGTH to push past Bernard’s jab and take control of the pace of the contest.

    B-Hop did successfully control the pace of the fight and thus STOP A FIGHT BREAKING OUT when up against some of those larger, yet more lethargic, one-paced victims on his resume like Keith Holmes and Antonio Tarver (B-Hop always fared well against his fellow boxers – because those guys don’t fight at a high-tempo, frenetic pace).

    But ljust look what happens when B-hop comes up against large (natural 160 and above), high-tempo, aggressive punchers/pressure fighters who cannot be intimidated,

    Segundo Mercado (in Quito). Just why did Bernard get dropped twice and escape with a draw in Ecuador? – only to prove just months later (back in the US) how desperately ordinary Mercado was (the Ecuadorian never defeated a top 10 MW throughout a career compiled exclusively in his homeland)

    The editor has suggested B-Hop was pre-prime. But then so are ALL fighters shooting for their first title as B-Hop was. The great Hagler and Monzon were pre-prime when CRUSHING vastly better opposition than Mercado in Minter and Benvenuti away from home in a hostile London and Rome. Hell, the 10 pro-fight Robin Reid was pre-prime when stopping Nardiello in Italy for HIS first world title.

    In reality, B-Hop was not only considerably MORE experienced than most fighters shooting for their first world title – let us not forget he had already fought 12 hard losing rounds against Roy Jones for the same title – but he was also notably more experienced than his opponent Mercado.

    The truth is Mercado, big and strong at 160 if nothing else, was driven on by home support and took CONTROL OF THE PACE of the contest thus forcing a FIGHT TO BREAK OUT. And THAT is the nightmare of all nullifiers (remember Mayweather against Castillo, and – to a lesser extent, Mosley?)

    A FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT. And the nullifier has already lost half the war because of it. (back in the US – with no home crowd to roar him on and make him world-class for the night – the non-accomplished Mercado ceded control of the pace of the fight to B-Hop and lost in 7 rounds.)

    Then there was Antwun Echols – a wild, aggressive, poor man’s Nigel Benn who dragged B-Hop through 22 torrid, hellish rounds for the precise reason he was able to take CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight and FORCE A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT (nullifiers nightmare).

    Why was it that Echols – a forward marching puncher like Trinidad – was able to give B-Hop all the hell across two contests that the vastly superior Tito was unable to do when fighting B-Hop around the same point in B-Hop’s career? After all, Tito – one of the greatest fighters of all time and a veteran of 20+ world title fights across three divisions – was vastly better than a perennial failure like Echols (whose only ever world-class win came when he had to climb off the canvas three times to defeat an older Charles Brewer).

    Answer ? The one and only advantage the strong, durable natural 160/168 pounder Echols had over the vastly superior Tito on both going in against B-Hop was the robust BODYSTRENGTH of a natural middleweight.

    And yet that’s the ONLY advantage Antwun needed when pushing past Bernard’s jab, bullying the Philadelphian – and taking CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight. And THAT – for all his power, skill and accomplishment – is something the reed-thin, natural 147/154 pounder Tito just couldn’t do.

    Hence B-Hop STOPPED A FIGHT FROM BREAKING OUT and controled Felix all night long..

    Thus back to why B-Hop would never have defeated a GGG. Or, indeed, a Benn or Briscoe.

    And that’s we can be absolutely certain the high-tempo, suffocatingly-aggressive GGG – a far more educated pressure fighter than the home-inspired Mercado, Antwun Echols or even the more reckless Calzaghe – would have ripped CONTROL OF THE PACE of the fight from B-Hop Thus FORCING A FIGHT TO BREAK OUT that ultimately would have led to B-Hop quitting or losing on points.

    End of posting on B-Hop.

    And good to be back.
    .

    • IanF69

      I agree with most of that Barley except the bit about Benn beating Hopkins….Hopkins was all wrong for a fighter like Benn…Nigel would unload at all the wrong times with Hopkins moving away or smothering him causing Benn to gas around round 7 or 8 and then being caught with too many shots on the inside..and inevitably being stopped on his feet…..Benn had the power yes, but his stamina was always an issue…an issue Hopkins would have exploited to the full….Just my own opinion now folks.

      • Here’s Barley!

        Trouble there, Ian, is B-Hop fought a very similar style – at MW in particular – to Antwun Echols. Not that Echols was remotely in the same league as a two-weight world champion like Benn – but Antwun did employ a very similar wild and unruly, hook-happy style and was very similar in physical dimensions too.

        What you have to consider is how B-Hop rarely stopped ANYBODY at world-class level – the journeyman version of Glen Johnson and those nefarious 147 and 154 pounders littering B-Hop’s resume being among the very few fighters that Hopkins was able to stop.

        And that really doesn’t bode well against a Benn whose only genuine stoppage came against Chris Eubank (who hit harder and withstood pressure better than B-Hop) in a war of attrition (the Watsoon loss was when young and naive due to exhaustion – the Collins stoppages both corner retirements when a shell of his previous self).

        Indeed, it’s difficult to envisage a perennial points winner like B-Hop – who went the last 15 YEARS of his career without a stoppage win – achieving what such brutal, world-class punchers like McClellan, Barkley and Eubank second time around) couldn’t.

        As said, Ian – Hopkins enjoyed fighting at a steady tempo. However Benn would have dragged him out of that tempo and into a war. Just as Nigel did with McClellan and many others (Benn went the distance many times – so his stamina was just fine) – and just as an Echols similar but inferior to Benn did to B-Hop.

        It’s not Benn’s power that would have got to B-Hop, Ian. It would rather be that relentless, high-tempo drive and will to win that saw him grind down fighters like Benn and Eubank (rematch). A high tempo and a raging desire to win that ALWAYS had B-Hop faltering, bitching to referees – and looking for a way out.

        And if Echols nearly did it – .then Benn would have done it with bells on.

        Just opinion. As you say (good to hear from you again mate).
        .

        • IanF69

          Benn’s biggest losses were against Eubank, Watson and Collins (twice) Malinga beat him as well but in the other 4 defeats it was evident that if he couldn’t bomb you out in the early rounds he didn’t have the stamina in the Championship rounds to last the pace…even the draw with Eubank i though he was lucky…Benn was a great fighter but only against fighters who weren’t defensively minded or spoilers…Hopkins was too smart a fighter to be caught early he would have easily taken him in the stretch….Hopkins was a master of dragging you into deep water…and could take a punch…sorry, but for me Hopkins, especially in his prime would have been too much for Nigel…imo…. and welcome back m8

          • Here’s Barley!

            But Hopkins simply didn’t stop world-class fighters, Ian – so he would have been the last fighter capable of taking advantage of any stamina issues Benn had.

            Moreover, Benn fought at a far higher, far more frenetic pace than B-Hop – who specialized in fighting at athe sort of leisurely pace common to all nullifiers. Hence if the frenetic pace witnessed in Benn’s contests with McClellan and various others couldn’t gas the Briton – then B-Hop’s more leisurely style surely wouldn’t over exert him.

            You say B-Hop was a master of dragging guys into deep water, Ian – but who did he do this too ? Answer. Predominantly smaller fighters from lower divisions who lacked the strength to push past B-Hop’s jab Or those easily intimidated like a Tarver or Pavlik.

            Yet the moment B-Hop came up against someone his own size who failed to be intimidated and fought back at a frenetic pace – Mercado at home, Echols twice, Calzaghe – B-Hop would usually shrink from the challenge and habitually look for a way out (Bernard quit against Dawson, nearly quit against Calzaghe – and was dropped twice by nonentity Mercado).

            B-Hop just did not fare well against aggressive, high-tempo fighters of his own size who failed to be intimidated – something that that poor man’s Benn Antwun Echols proved so readily.

            I agree B-Hop would not have stopped B-Hop with punches – yet it would not be Benn’s power that was the clincher here. It would be B-Hop’s habitual inability to cope with a class fighter his own size who punched him back in the face – whilst pushing past that jab and forcing him to fight at a high tempo.

            Antwun Echols – a Nigel Benn Lite – so very nearly did it.

            Benn would have done. Kudos.
            .

    • StephenD

      Great breakdown of Hopkins.

      • Stephen M

        Or was it just one of Barley’s breakdowns?

        • Chris Stans

          Wait, is this really Barley?

          • Here’s Barley!

            It is indeed , Chris – for better or worse. That’s why the trolls are all stirred up and flustered. Lol.

          • Stephen M

            Seems to be.

      • Here’s Barley!

        Thanks

  • Will Arbuckle

    Not sure how any one could remain at a job where the employer blatantly intervenes to stop his fighter from being stripped of the ring title, and nor dropped from the p4p rankings. Case in point, I work 8n the logistics industry, the company lies to customers, there partners etc, While I have not just quit, I am currently looking for a different employer because the lack 9f integrity and honour really bothers me.

    • Guy Grundy

      I couldn’t agree more.The precedent has now been set and the editorial team were utterly and completely impotent to do anything about it,save note their indignation.Frankly I’m almost lost for words about it and its implications and ramifications.As I’ve stated in a previous thread,principle for me is everything in life but for others perhaps not,or with families and dependents to take care of.What I do know is The Ring has ( sadly) lost all credibility with this debacle and what I do hope is that at some point,somehow GBP are held to account for their appalling and disgraceful actions.I wont be holding my breath though…

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  • Jody Hanna

    Does anyone else think Lennox Lewis had a glass jaw?

    • DRE

      Against Haseem Rahman yes. Against Ray Mercer and V. Klitchko, no

    • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

      No, a glass eye, maybe.

    • Dee Money

      Not glass, but not granite. If you were to lineup all the top heavyweight contenders over the past 40 years and rank them all he’d probably be in the middle to maybe slightly lower than the median. But he was so strong/big/smart that he was able to keep his jaw safe.

    • Charlie U.

      Hahaha. I see what you’re doing there.

    • Rick

      Yes and Bhop was the best MW champ EVER.

      • Jody Hanna

        And there is no American media bias.

  • Ivan Otero

    Loma is Weak because he was floor. And Mikey now will ko him. Ujum… I dont have long time memory problem and I still have in my mind Mikey getting floored WORST by Rocky Martinez

  • Elre

    Anyone knows how to watch Stevenson vs Jack in Canada ? Cant get Showtime on my cable can’t get the app …

  • Elre

    Anyone knows how to watch Stevenson vs Jack in Canada ? Cant get Showtime on my cable can’t get the app …

  • Alan

    Best athlete in the world is probably Justify at this moment. Mookie Betts would be close if he had a stronger arm or ran every ground ball hard to first (like almost none of them do, now). Kevin Durant could prove to be the best in the next few weeks. Based on my prior comment about Betts, I’m going to have to say that the deceptively roly-poly Jose Ramirez of the Cleveland Indians is now the best athlete in world, magnificent wild, hustling honor to the game that he is.

    Diaz will actually have to prove that he can beat Russell, because his pro fights have been a mixed bag to this point. Sometimes (particularly most recently) he has looked great, but it wasn’t long ago that he was sometimes underwhelming. Also, with the group that he comes out of, the constant angry face and almost suspiciously hardening body compared to his earlier days, one has to wonder about doping.