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Freddie Roach likes the idea of Manny Pacquiao vs. Vasyl Lomachenko





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Jan

The boxing buzz for the last two days has very much been centered on the possibility that the fighting Senator, Manny Pacquiao, might be gloving up against maybe the top pound-for-pound hitter on the planet, Vasyl Lomachenko.

Promoter Bob Arum has talked of pitting his Omaha draw, Terence Crawford, against Pacman (59-7-2), but some in the Pacquiao camp don’t think stylistically that’s a good fit for Manny, who is 39 years old and does Senatorial duties in his Philippines. But what about Lomachenko, the 10-1 pugilist last seen owning Guilllermo Rigondeaux in NYC?

What about that fight, I asked Freddie Roach, who was in Brooklyn Wednesday for a media workout at the famed and fabled Gleason’s Gym, to bang the drums for the Saturday night’s fight card at Barclays Center, portions of which will screen on Showtime.

“Yeah, I like that fight a lot. I don’t like the Crawford (fight) but I like the Lomachenko fight, yes. Because Loma’s not as big a puncher (as Crawford), not as strong. He has really good footwork, but once you press him all that footwork goes out the f__king window.”

Yes, Roach thinks, he believes we will see Manny versus Loma, in April. And his prediction, if and when that comes to fruition?

“It is a big fight. Pacquiao, we need him to be at his best, but as I told him, you can’t be a Senator and a boxer. At this age you gotta pick one or the other.”

In other words, he’s holding out, waiting to see if he can get a promise from Manny that he will put the juggling aside, and concentrate full on to fight the dazzling dancer from Ukraine, who can pop more than a little bit too, especially when he stabs you from a weird angle and you don’t see it coming.

Note: I told Freddie I wanted to give a shoutout to his mom, Barbara Roach, who died on Dec. 23 at age 82. “Yeah, I miss her and I wanted to call her for some advice today but I forgot I can’t, which really sucks,” Freddie told me. “I love you mom.”





  • Royal Flashy

    I’d love to see this fight. I think both could do it at 135lbs, they both weigh around 143lbs when in the ring.

    • chickenstock

      If I were manny, nothing under 140.

      • Royal Flashy

        Can’t see Loma agreeing to that though.

        • Teddy Reynoso

          If Manny agreed to fight Oscar at 147 in 2008 while fighting his highest at 135 in his previous bout, why can’t Loma fight Manny at 140 when he has been weighing anywhere between 138 and 142 in his last few fights? Manny remains a small welterweight through all these years rarely coming in at full limit on actual fights. Poor excuse to avoid this fight.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            This fight is meaningless for Lomachenko. If he were to move up considerably in weight to take a fight, it should be against Crawford, not Manny who is at the end of his career.

          • Stephen M

            Loma won’t get any more credit from beating Pacquiao than he did for beating Rigo.

          • Jeremy, UK

            Probably less.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Gloat now until you two can.

          • Jeremy, UK

            Not gloating at all. As I said in a previous comment, I am a huge fan of Pacquiao. I just don’t want to see him fighting the best fighter in the world right now when he is not even 80% of what he was a few years ago.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Boxing is about the best fighting the best. You cannot deny that despite his age Manny is still among the best.

          • OLATARD

            Old cashcow ala DLH

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Cash cow still. And Loma stands to earn his biggest purse fighting him. That’s not meaningless.

          • OLATARD

            But Pac doesnt need any money anymore, he wants to be the president.

            Upvoting yourself? Oh no JOhn Swanny

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Love your own, believe in yourself.

          • OLATARD

            Justin Bieb!! TMT

          • Teddy Reynoso

            See my posts above.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            Even less because Manny would either have to drop weight to do the fight or Loma would have to move up. Stupid thing to do for a one off fight with no title at stake.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Meaningless? And what is meaningful to you? Fights against an old and jaded Salido who was a leftover victim of guys like Marquez and Mikey Garcia, among others? Against Berchelt, Linares, Russell who in their wildest dream will never make it to the pound for pound list? Manny is a certified all time great, SMH!

          • Nicholas Linnear

            Do you expect Loma to jump three divisions to fight an aging fighter on his last legs who doesn’t even have a title to make it worthwhile? If Pacquaio can make it down to 135, beating him would be meaningless because everyone would say he was drained and an easy mark. Loma going to 140 would be purely stupid with no title at risk and if he was to win, everyone would still say Manny was drained and at the end of his career. If Manny was to get the win, everyone will ignore Loma jumping two divisions and say he was over rated. I won’t even bother replying to your ignorant comments on the guys Loma has fought up until now unless you compare them to the first 10 fights Manny had as a pro.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Manny fought Oscar with no title at stake other than the chance to become recognized as a truly an elite. Manny does not have Loma’s amateur pedigree and nearly 400 amateur fights, a few of which against future pro standouts like Oscar Valdez before Loma officially turned pro. Its not like Loma came out of the blue. There were other former amateurs, standouts or otherwise who even fought for a world championship in their pro debut and few succeeded after less than 10 bouts because they were skilled and battle ready. Muangsurin was one. Big deal!

          • Teddy Reynoso

            You are making hasty conclusions before the fact.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            Loma doesn’t need to fight Manny to prove he’s an elite fighter. I think just about everyone in the world recognizes that as a fact today. Tell me why Loma should move at least two divisions for a fight that brings him nothing at all and could have serious repercussions on his health and career? Manny just lost to Jeff Horn so at this point in his career he wouldn’t be a huge win for Loma. Much better and more interesting fights for him in his own division and the two above his before getting to Manny at 147 which is a purely stupid thing to even consider.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            That’s your opinion and I respect it. But being elite is not something conferred, it is earned by daring oftentimes against the odds as Manny,vFloyd and the rest of them greats have done before. Careful and calculated matchmaking is never the way to greatness.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            Fighting an aging, end of career fighter ain’t exactly ‘daring’ is it? If Manny dropped down to 130 to fight Loma I would consider that to be daring on his side of things. But there’s nothing for Loma to gain by fighting Manny after he was beaten by a basically unknown fighter in his last fight. I don’t care if this fight gets made because if it does I won’t waste my time watching it.

          • Floridastorm

            If Manny gets in the best shape possible he can then it would be a competitive fight against Lomo. Remember, Roach admits that Manny does not train as he used to due to double duties. I honestly believe that Manny trained very little for Horn as he considered Horn a tune up fight for a possible against Crawford. That and fighting in a different time zone made the difference. I still thought that Manny won the decision, but not by much. I never count Manny out of any fight. He still has the skills, quickness, and power to put a hurting on any fighter, including Lomo. Lomo does not have the KO power to knock out Manny who has a good chin. And, Lomo will not tire Manny out as he did his last 4 opponents.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            At what weight would this fight be happening at? Loma should not go up more than one division which would put the fight at 135. Still think Manny would be competitive after dropping that much weight?
            I felt at the time that Manny beat Horn clearly and that Horn got a home town discount. Still a loss on Manny’s record though which hurts the viability of this fight.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Exactly my point, friend which these balimbing (two faced)-fair weathered fans of Manny before and Loma now refused to acknowledge. Thank you.

      • Teddy Reynoso

        I agree. Manny says he can still make 140 but rarely does he weigh more than 144-145 on actual fight night. Manny last fight at 135 was in 2008 yet against David Diaz.

  • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

    Manny doesn’t do boxing at 100% anymore.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Loma handlers are wary what Manny can pull off against their ward. Manny in his best condition can match Loma in speed and.mobility and top him in punching power.

    • Turner Wednesday

      Shut. Up.

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Is that all you can say? Rationalize and argue, man. Or you are not up to it? Oh well, waste of time.

        • Stephen M

          “Rationalize: attempt to explain or justify (one’s own or another’s behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.”. Yeah, I think you might be good at that.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Isa ka pa. Balimbing!

          • OLATARD

            Ohh voodoo cursing eh? wtf happened roddy?

        • Turner Wednesday

          Your’e an idiot.

          Shut. Up.

          There, does that make it clearer for you?

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Inabot ka ng halos isang araw bago sumagot tapos ako ang idiot?

          • OLATARD

            wtf???

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Deal with it as Turner is won’t to say. I just give him a dose of his own bad medicine.

          • OLATARD

            Wassup rod?? How are ya? it been loooong time.

          • You cant win a debate against someone who doesnt accept rhetorical answer. People who says idiot are the “idiots” themselves.

            Pabayaan mo siya brother.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Thanks! I wish there are more of like you in here.

          • OLATARD

            Hey babe

          • Hey…

          • OLATARD

            Me love you long time

          • Turner Wednesday

            Monkey language. Me no understand.

    • Jeremy, UK

      I am a huge fan of Pacquiao. What he hea achieved – winning world titles in practically half the weight classes boxing has – is something no one else has come near. It is because I have so much respect for him that I am praying this fight doesn’t happen.

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Oh really? How thoughtful of you.

        • Jeremy, UK

          Come on Teddy, no doubt you have watched Pacquiao fight for about 20 years – did he look anywhere near his best against Horn? The fighter who destroyed Cotto, De La Hoya and Hatton would have taken Horn apart without breaking sweat. Loma is in a different league to Horn altogether and, as you rightly point out, is every bit as big as Manny – probably naturally bigger.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            One swallow does not a spring make. One bad night does not make Manny a washed fighter. Why don’t you even give him the fair chance to prove that? You make it appear you are concerned about Manny when in reality you are wary that he may derail the Loma train you all have been riding on.

          • Jeremy, UK

            Listen my friend, you’ve got me wrong. If Pac v Loma does take place, I’ll be rooting for the Pacman 100%. I just don’t think he’s been the same since 2012, despite decent wins over good opposition. But 8-10 years ago he was achieving amazing wins over bigger, exceptional fighters.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Who sez he is the same fighter since five years ago? Not I. But even then we have to give him the benefit of the doubt as the greats before him were afforded this privilege of proving themselves atop the ring and not dismissed outright as washed and has beens. If you were his supporter, you should not be treating him this way.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Loma DUCK chenko.

    • Koninbeor

      If you’re going to post this in multiple threads, I guess I’ll give the same response…

      Yeah, I hear you. Just like SRL ducked Mike Tyson. SMH

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Its more like Floyd ducking Manny for five years. People were saying that Floyd would beat Manny silly or Manny would crush Floyd in endless debate until it had to be made to see whose theory was correct. This fight has to happen to prove your theory that Loma will beat Manny easily. And for me to prove that Manny even in his advancing age still has it to thwart any pretender to the billing as pound for pound best.

        • Koninbeor

          I’m a Paquiao fan. When he was fully dedicated to the sport, he was my favorite fighter. That said, Lomachenko isn’t ducking him. You can’t duck someone outside of your weight division, especially if they’re bigger than you are.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Oh, of course, you don’t remember that Diaz, dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito were all outside Manny’s original weight division at 130 and were decidedly bigger when he fought and beat them on the way to his 5th, 6th,7th and 8th world titles.

          • Koninbeor

            Listen, Suzy, you don’t get to tell me what I do and don’t remember. It means more for EVERYONE, not just Loma, EVERYONE, to fight going up than going down. The ONLY reason for Loma to fight Paquiao would be for the money, not for legacy.

            Thanks for trying to make me look bad with my own words but you’re not smart enough to pull it off. Shut up before you make yourself look like a complete dolt. Oh, wait, too late. Peace out, we’re finished.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Gotcha!

    • Jorge

      Or is Pacquiao wary of Crawford a guy in his weight class.

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Okay I will not call Crawford a ducker but will continue to call Loma a duck because Manny has thrown a challenge at him and he and his camp are avoiding a fight for flimsy reasons.

      • Stephen M

        This kind of reminds me that there aren’t so many nuthuggers around here lately. I guess it’s the last stand oh the Pactards.

        • Teddy Reynoso

          The ultimate refuge of the intellectually and mentally challenged is to throw personal insults.

          • Stephen M

            Well, I see “Pactard” as a fitting description, and explanation, of your obvious lapse of reason.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Hey it’s not me we are talking about here. Its the issue of Loma Pacquiao. Let me re direct you to the issue at hand.

  • D. Gambino

    For me, this is all a bit ridiculous. Pacquiao was a great fighter and now he’s having to bring up the name of, arguably, the hottest name in boxing just to stay relevant. That’s pretty sad for a hall of fame fighter.

    Just for shits and giggles – if this fight is at 142 or less – Pacquiao get’s stopped by Lomachenko in under 9 rounds (with Roach throwing in the towel).

    I feel Pacquiao beat Jeff Horn BUT let’s be real here – Pacquiao was struggling in the ring but he (and others) think he could compete with Lomachenko? C’mon man…

    • Jorge

      Boxing we like to live 10 years in the past. I agree with you this isn’t 2008 anymore, this isn’t a prime Manny. No one wants to see this fight besides the pacquiao diehard fans.

      • D. Gambino

        Agreed Jorge. I feel the 2008 Pacquiao would be out-boxed by today’s Lomachenko. I believe that 2008 Pacquiao would be more competitive in that fight but now – this is an EPIC mismatch.

        The sad part is if they love Pacquaio so much – why would they want to see him fight Lomachenko [rhetorically speaking]? It would be soul crushing for them to see how easy a fight this would be for Lomachenko.

        • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

          Their thought is that getting outpointed by Lomie is a better alternative than getting sent to the hospital by Crawfie.

          • Nicholas Linnear

            Seeing Manny have his heart taken by Lomachenko wouldn’t exactly be a better alternative than being KOd by Crawford. Manny has already been knocked cold in the ring but he’s never quit in the middle of a fight. He would in this one and would never fight again.

    • Guy Grundy

      Agree absolutely…and to be frank ( if these reports have substance) I honestly thought Pacquiao had more sense. Against a Manny of today,it’s a complete mismatch and will probably end up being car crash viewing…sad.

    • Teddy Reynoso

      You know what’s ridiculous? It is fans like you who feel Manny still beat Horn despite his poor preparations and condition for that fight and yet would not give him any chance of competing against an aspiring heir apparent even in his best possible condition.

      • D. Gambino

        I get you love Pacquiao and I’m not shitting on his legacy one bit. But to think that Pacquiao would have any chance against Lomachenko is ignorant. Take the blinders off my friend. This is about boxing not your idol.

        • Stephen M

          It’s like you are criticizing his girl friend.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Mentally bankrupt.

          • Stephen M

            Go read your own posts. You are like a lovelorn stalker.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            He he he

          • D. Gambino

            LOL! Certainly seems like it. So I made sure to add a positive and a negative so the two would equal out in his brain but I doubt it worked. That poor bastard stuck in 2009.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Not at all. Please stick to the issue.

          • D. Gambino

            You’ve raised no points my friend. Pacquiao WAS great but not anymore. He’s a shade of his former self and couldn’t even get the win against Jeff Horn! JEFF-friggin-HORN!

            No one even knew who this guy was when Pacquiao selected him to fight.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            But again, how would we know for sure if you would not want that fight to actually happen? How would we have known that Ali was totally finished after two fights against the friggin Leon Spinks until he fought and lost to Holmes?

        • Teddy Reynoso

          Oh yeah?

    • Fist_ti_cuffs

      Freddie wouldn’t take the fight if it were going to be as easy as you guys think. I’d favor Pac in that bout, but it’s not gonna happen….oh well.

      • D. Gambino

        Yea Freddie would take that fight because he thinks Pacquiao is going to win by KO in every fight (LOL!).

        However, we talking about a Pacquiao that has damn near 70 fights and a LOT of mileage on his body against Lomachenko who hasn’t had any wars. We talking about the same Pacquiao that struggled against a C-level fighter in Jeff Horn (the Pacquiao of old would’ve destroyed Horn) against Lomachenko.

        I dunno Fist. Sounds like some bias going on there buddy!

        • Fist_ti_cuffs

          He was a clear winner against Horn and should have never been fighting in his country. That’s just him being used by Arum. Lomo is good at what he does, but he hasn’t proven greatness. This fight would be his toughest and most importantly would prove that he can do what the greats before him did, by seeking out tough challenges. Currently his guys are talking about unifying 130….wtf. At 29 he has his work cut out for him. He can’t keep fighting lil guys forever!!

          • D. Gambino

            It was a close fight Fist. I don’t know about unanimous but I definitely felt Pacquiao won over Horn.

            Maybe I’m the only one that sees it this way but Loma would put a boxing clinic on Pacquiao. Lomachenko’s timing is off the chart PLUS he’s faster than Pacquiao and has far more ring intelligence. Believe me when I say, it wouldn’t even be a close fight.

            I suspect Loma will go after Berchelt and then the winner of Linares/Garcia at 135.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            Berchelt is a decent fight and of course I like the Linares , Easter or Garcia fights, but he’s gonna need to take risks and Pac is still that. One thing is for sure and that is Pac won’t quit and he’s the slightly larger man and he is a busy fighter (think Salido) especially if he knows you can’t physically hurt him. That would be a good feather in Lomo’s his cap if he were to get the win. As it stands, I rate Loms’s win over Russell as his best to date. Walters and Rigo….not so much.

          • D. Gambino

            Berchelt, Linares, Garcia, and Easter are all good fights for Loma.

            There are people out there AND on this site who thought Walters and Rigo would beat Loma. I agree with you that Russell was Loma’s best win (I’d love to see a rematch between them).

            Pacquiao is NOT a good fight. It is a mismatch. I don’t get how people think Pacquiao could be competitive when he’s not 100% committed to boxing anymore. Even if he was all in – he’s not good enough to beat Loma. We will have to agree to disagree my friend.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            When has Pac not really been competitive in a fight other than with Floyd? I think it’s a good idea to fight Pac to see if he can keep the larger guy off of him. I feel like it’s also an opportunity to see what he looks like when he’s not the prohibitive favorite with all of the advantages.

          • Teddy Reynoso

            Agree with you bro!

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Why don’t you just let them fight?

    • Teddy Reynoso

      Funny and odd how Loma himself and his father and manager and their uncles have quickly reacted in a desperate attempt to squash possibility of that fight even if it is just on exploratory stage. Are they that deathly afraid?

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Oh please stop all these talks that make Manny suddenly a big monster at welterweight. We all know that all his career beyond 130, he is a David to most his opponents.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Obviously, I am in a minority in this but as they say, better light a candle than curse in darkness.

  • Steve

    Whoever Manny fights next there’s no need to interview Roach; just reprint any sound bite of his from the last 6 or 7 years: “Manny’s training is going great.. he’s really motivated this time..I’m expecting a knockout…”
    9 years I’ve been waiting for the knockout Freddy, 9 damn years

  • Ten Count Toronto

    I’m against this fight and these types of fights in general for several reasons: Mainly at a time when top fighters fight 2 or max 3 times a year, their dates are too important for cross-divisional, cross-generational showcases which do little to sort out the pecking order in any division and even in P4P sense they require looking past huge discrepancies in age, form and weigh class.

    Fights like these offer both competitors a couple built in excuses for losing, but they also have built-in reasons for disparaging the winner’s accomplishment. Maybe this lack of baggage and accountability is attractive to the fighters, but I consider them a tie wasting circuses and another undesirable move away from competition and toward spectacle for the sake of spectacle.

    • Teddy Reynoso

      Oh, the bleeding hearts.

  • Ten Count Toronto

    A few other observations:

    – I’ll take pretty good 28 year old over a great 39 year old 9 times out of 10.

    – The Chris Byrd example: Despite being nothing but a blown up Super Middleweight, Byrd was a corpse in the ring when he suddenly dropped down to 175 late in his career after a decade of never needing to make weight. The body is a creature of habit, more so after age 30. Such moves should be approached gradually & cautiously.

    – It would be nice for Lomachenko to actually beat one of the 4 best Jr.Lightweights in the world before looking outside the division. I understand it takes 2 parties to make fights so it’s not entirely in Lomachenko’s hands, but still …

  • Black Oracle

    Of course Freddie likes it…..who wouldn’t like more money in their pocket. But he is smart enough to know that Pac Man doesn’t have a shot at winning.