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Jun

ANDRE WARD’S LEGACY

Hey Doug,

I just wanted to get your thoughts on the Andre Ward-Sergey Kovalev rematch. I’ve personally never been a big fan of Ward’s but he’s kind of won me over in his last two fights with Kovalev, especially this one. I love how he was able to dig deep in this fight and gut out a stoppage of a truly terrifying man in Kovalev after realizing he just wasn’t going to be able to outbox the Russian.

I know plenty of people will complain that Ward won this fight on low blows but the truth is Kovalev was starting to gas by round six due to upping his volume, along with Ward’s body attack and wrestling. It’s true Ward landed a few low blows in the final round but it was a dirty fight, one filled with head-locking, rabbit punching, and getting tangled up on the inside. One thing that I think is to Ward’s credit is that a few times Kovalev stopped fighting without Tony Weeks breaking the fight up and Ward didn’t pounce on him the way Floyd Mayweather or Guillermo Rigondeaux likely would’ve.

I know you were rooting for Kovalev in this one, Doug, but do you feel this is an illegitimate win for Ward or were you impressed by his grit and game plan? I personally think a stoppage win over a prime Kovalev combined with cleaning out the super middleweight division pushes Ward past Mayweather legacy wise, but I wish the win was a little cleaner. – Jack

I’m no fan of Mayweather, but I must disagree with your opinion that Ward has surpassed the self-proclaimed “TBE” in terms of legacy. But hey, the Californian is headed in the right direction. If he remains in the sport for another three or four years and takes on the right challenges, who knows? Maybe boxing fans and media will start calling him TBE (Max Kellerman certainly seems like he’s ready to do that).

I think the Weeks refereeing and Ward’s low blows marred what was a compelling but often ugly fight, but I don’t think Ward’s fouls were often or egregious enough to make his victory “illegitimate.” And yes, I was absolutely impressed by his grit and game plan, but mostly with his grit because I thought he was having a tough time with Kovalev and catching a lot of heavy shots through the first six rounds. However, Ward hung in there, kept his focus, found a way to hurt and rattle Kovalev (with the body shots and low blows in the middle rounds), and he seized the moment when he rocked the Russian with a head shot in Round 8. That’s how one makes a statement and comes back from a controversial decision. I just wish the fight hadn’t been stopped on a blatant low blow.

 

EAT SOME CROW, DOUGIE

Hey Dougie,

How would you like the crow served, Dougie?

Andre Ward is P4P!!! Cheers bro. – Gbenga X-adebija, Lagos, Nigeria

THE RING had Ward No. 1 in its pound-for-pound rankings before the Saturday’s rematch (not that I agreed with that)… but yeah, I do have to consume some crow. It’s not the first or last time that I’ll publicly dine on this bird. But I’ve eaten enough of it to have acquired a taste for it, so I’ll eat this one raw and served cold (like Ward’s revenge against all us “haters”) with a bottle of red wine.

 

DISAPPOINTING ENDING

Dougie,

Haven’t written to you in a long time. First off, great fight. I’m a fan of both fighters, but I think this fight’s last round was SO disappointing. I thought Kovalev was certainly winning on points up to that point, was more aggressive and landing the more effective punches. Towards the second half of the fight I was starting to think Ward was coming on and Kovalev was tiring, but I thought Kovalev was still winning.

I also didn’t see him slowing down that quickly or giving up, which I don’t believe he did. HBO might have some of the worst commentators ever or they’re being paid to say exactly what HBO tells them! Roy Jones Jr. and Jim Lampley completely favor their network’s favored fighters. Ward was losing, but still very much in it and on the offense, but his face showed effects and he was on his way to losing a decision if it remained status quo. Roy, Lampley, etc., like to say the punch that started it all was a fair punch on the belt line, but anyone who saw the replay knows that was a clear low blow. No question about it. How Jones, a multi-division champion, can stare directly at the camera and claim that was a legal punch is bizarre to me. It couldn’t be more clear! Max Kellerman might actually own stock in Ward’s NUT SACK to praise him like he was. It’s ridiculous. I felt like I was watching a different fight. It’s the very reason why you get a better idea of a fight when turning the volume off.

I personally don’t think that we would have seen a stoppage that round or seen Kovalev hurt that round if that didn’t happen. I do think Ward could have possibly hurt him fairly, seemed to be on the offense and Kovalev might have been slowing down. This could have purely been based on the low blow.

Either way I didn’t care who won because I respect and like both fighters. I just wanted a win with NO questions. The first fight I thought Kovalev won and was robbed. And now the second fight I still have questions even though I think Ward would have probably won. I just feel the fans deserved a more clear decisive victory with no questions. I want a rematch!!!!! I would favor Ward, but I think it deservers a rematch. And if they fought 20 times I think fights like these the fans win. Either way, definitely a low blow. Thoughts? – Michael, NYC

Ward landed his share of borderline/beltline punches and a few clear (arguably blatant) low blows. Tony Weeks should have warned him more for that infraction and he should have given Kovalev the 5-minute option to recover at least once during Rounds 7 and 8. But he didn’t. Kovalev was on his own in there (as the underdog fighter from a visiting country facing a home-country favorite often is in boxing) and he needed to figure out how to defend and retaliate against Ward’s body attack. He wasn’t able to do that and he suffered the consequences. It’s harsh, but boxing is a harsh sport.

I think Ward legitimately hurt Kovalev with a head shot before driving the former champ to the ropes and concentrating on the body. And even before Ward landed that final low blow, Kovalev was folded over with the body language of a depleted/defeated fighter. That’s what it looked like to me in real time. I thought he was a finished. I’m not sure that a 10 count or even a 5-minute recover break for the foul shot would have made a difference, but obviously it would have been better if Weeks would have issued one or the other instead of immediately waving the fight off.

Despite the controversy and outrage from some hardcore fans, I don’t care to see a third consecutive fight between these two light heavyweights. Ward and Kovalev are evenly matched and combine to make a competitive fight, but their styles don’t mesh in an entertaining way and the close and subjective nature of their rounds only leads to divided (often polarizing) opinions on who won each stanza. Beyond the non-conclusive, often ugly outcome in the ring, both fighters lack likable personalities (at least when they’re preparing to fight each other), and are so spiteful toward each other that they are willing to blow off media obligations, plus their promotional entities are so contentious that they literally cannot work together. I’m sick of Ward, Kovalev, Main Events and Roc Nation bitching at and about each other. I want to see these guys in the ring with other dance partners, and lucky for the fans, there are more than a few worthy opponents in the talented 175-pound division. Maybe if Kovalev can string a couple strong wins together, I’d be interested in a third go-around with Ward, but I’m ready to move on for the time being.

I thought Kovalev was certainly winning on points up to that point, was more aggressive and landing the more effective punches. I had Kovalev up 4-3 after seven rounds (scoring Rounds 1, 4 and 7 for Ward). I thought both fighters were landing effective punches.

Towards the second half of the fight I was starting to think Ward was coming on and Kovalev was tiring, but I thought Kovalev was still winning. Same here.

I also didn’t see him slowing down that quickly or giving up, which I don’t believe he did. I don’t think Kovalev gave up, but I think he was hurt to the head and the body in Round 8 and was quickly pounded into involuntary submission with a series of borderline body shots and low blows.

HBO might have some of the worst commentators ever or they’re being paid to say exactly what HBO tells them! I think HBO’s broadcast booth is excellent (and in Lampley’s case, legendary) but they’ve always pushed a fixed narrative going into their high-profile events and often lose sight of the action taking place in the ring while conveying their perceived story lines during the fights.

Roy Jones Jr. and Jim Lampley completely favor their network’s favored fighters. I think all of HBO’s commentators (except for maybe Harold Lederman) are in love with Ward, but I thought Lampley counter-balanced Jones’ and Kellerman’s cheer-leading with an accurate blow-by-blow call and round-by-round account of CompuBox stats.

Ward was losing, but still very much in it and on the offense, but his face showed effects and he was on his way to losing a decision if it remained status quo. That’s what I thought, but you and I were watching from TV and HBO’s crew were ringside (although, that includes Lederman, who definitely saw the same fight you were watching).

Roy, Lampley, etc., like to say the punch that started it all was a fair punch on the belt line, but anyone who saw the replay knows that was a clear low blow. I thought the punch that started it all was that shot to the chops, not the punches to the nuts.

How Jones, a multi-division champion, can stare directly at the camera and claim that was a legal punch is bizarre to me. It’s simple. Jones was a U.S. Olympian, just like Ward. Jones followed Ward’s amateur career and even co-promoted the Bay Area boxing talent (along with the late Dan Goossen) early in Ward’s career. He admires Ward’s dedication to the sport and his Christian faith in God. I think Jones’ boxing insight during a fight broadcast is second to none, but he’s never been shy about openly rooting for fighters that he considers “teammates” or feels he has a connection to.

Max Kellerman might actually own stock in Ward’s NUT SACK to praise him like he was. You sound like James Toney when he used to rant about the HBO crew’s cheer-leading for Jones.

I felt like I was watching a different fight. So did I, but Jones and Kellerman were ultimately proven correct.

 

LOW BLOWS

Doug,

This last bout has left a really sour taste in my mouth and the controversial outcome was predictable early on in the fight. Ward started to grab in Round 1 & landed a meaty low blow in Round 2 which got a limp warning from a limp ref, Weeks. Weeks chose to ignore all subsequent Ward low blows as well as the grabbing. I am not sure why Kovalev did not respond in kind and dent Wards cup?

In the final round Ward landed at least four low blows, one before the right hand which stunned Kovalev. At the end, I thought Weeks was stopping the contest to take points off Ward, really shocking when I realised he was stopping the fight.

If Weeks was reffing Golota-Bowe, the Foul Pole would have won both fights by KO. I hope that justice prevails and the result over ruled. Cheers. – Philip du Plessis, Gloucester, UK

The chances of the Nevada State Athletic Commission changing the result of Saturday’s light heavyweight championship are slim and none (and Slim left town, as Don King used to say).

I don’t think Weeks had a great night at the office but Ward’s low blows were not as blatant or egregious as the below-the-belt combinations that Andrew Golota landed on Riddick Bowe.

This last bout has left a really sour taste in my mouth and the controversial outcome was predictable early on in the fight. I’ve come to the conclusion that Ward and Kovalev cannot share the ring without creating some kind of officiating controversy. It’s unfortunate because they were the Nos. 1 and 2 light heavyweights going into Saturday’s under-the-radar event, but that’s just the way their boxing styles and ring mentalities mesh.

Ward started to grab in Round 1 & landed a meaty low blow in Round 2 which got a limp warning from a limp ref, Weeks. Weeks chose to ignore all subsequent Ward low blows as well as the grabbing. I thought Weeks was pretty good with warning both fighters to keep it clean in the early rounds of the bout.

I am not sure why Kovalev did not respond in kind and dent Ward’s cup? Maybe he didn’t think that he needed to. Maybe he thought he could win doing what he was doing. Or perhaps he believed that Weeks was biased and would have sternly penalized him if he retaliated in the form of a foul.

At the end, I thought Weeks was stopping the contest to take points off Ward, really shocking when I realised he was stopping the fight. So was Paulie Malignaggi, who was doing commentary for Sky Sports. He wasn’t happy with that stoppage given the respected status of the fighters, the high stakes of the fight and the way the bout had transpired going into Round 8 (to his credit, he had Kovalev up on points). “Let Sergey go out on his shield… you can’t just stop that fight… that was one of the strangest stoppages I’ve ever seen… you couldn’t tell if it was a foul or not… why would you stop the fight? At worst, count him or something… it’s just not fair because you cost people careers… let the fighters decide the outcome… they are world-class fighters…,” Malignaggi said in the moments between the stoppage and HBO’s post-fight interviews. Maybe when Kovalev was doubled over from Ward’s borderline shots and that final low blow he was thinking/waiting for Weeks to break the action to warn or penalize Ward and give him recovery time. He looked out of it to me (in real time), but we’ll never know. Here’s the thing: Kovalev should have known from previous rounds (notably Round 7) that Weeks wasn’t looking to protect him from anything.

 

YAY AREA!

What it do, what the business is? Word on the street, Andre known to handle his!!!

And that he did…..big time on Saturday, despite unsportsmanlike words of Kathy Duva at the post fight presser. Say what you will about the borderline blows, it was the colossal right hand that put the Krusher on queer street, and Andre Ward’s sheer determination and resilience that had Krusher on the verge of succumbing before the right hand even landed. I’ve never seen Krusher hurt in any of his fights, but he felt that right hand in his soul. Nor have I seen Dre land such a “Krusher” of a punch.

I wish Max Kellerman would’ve shown Sergey the replay of that Nolan Ryan heater that twisted his head and knees backwards before he started blaming low blows for the stoppage and asking for an immediate rematch. I agreed with Lederman’s synopsis, and thought the Krusher was winning through 6, but fading….fading quickly. Borderline low blows…..yes……head jerking right hand…..absolute game changer, especially for someone that “has no punching power”. Please….Andre Ward imposed his will, the same way Holyfield did against Riddick Bowe part 2, B-Hop did Trinidad and in doing so boosted his marketability enormously. However, p4p, imo, belongs to a Russian bad ass with more syllables in his last name than anyone else on the list. Great fight. – Adam From Hayward

You and I have very different ideas of what a “great fight” is, Adam, but I’m glad you’re in such a good mood following Ward’s shocking stoppage victory over Kovalev.

I gotta give Ward a lot of props for absorbing the heavy shots he took for seven rounds, landing hard shots of his own and finding a way to break Kovalev down and close the show. I know that he elated his loyal supporters and helped some corners of the U.S. boxing industry/media feel more secure, but I wonder if he made any new fans given the lukewarm interest in Saturday’s HBO PPV show and I’m curious to see if his marketability has indeed been boosted.

Despite his age (33) I think the potential is still there for him to become a star or, at the very least, a bona-fide attraction. But for that to happen, he’s got to fight again – a worthy challenger, of course – before the year is over, and follow-up with significant fights against the right fighters in the right places in 2018. Defending his RING title against one of his sanctioning body mandatories, such as the winner of a Nathan Cleverly-Dmitry Bivol fight (for the “regular” WBA belt), on HBO would be a good way to continue 2017. And if he wants to test the waters at cruiserweight, a 200-pound showdown with fellow Creed star Tony Bellew would make for a high-profile fight in the U.K. and the U.S. If he can beat Bellew, he might as well roll the dice against an available cruiserweight titleholder and Oleksandr Usyk (who holds the WBO belt) would pose a formidable challenge. But if Ward were to beat the Ukrainian southpaw, there could be no denying his greatness.

Speaking of Ukrainian southpaws, I think the “Russian bad ass with more syllables in his last name than anyone else on the (P4P) list” you brought up is Vasyl Lomachenko. He’s from Ukraine, bro.

And that he did…..big time on Saturday, despite unsportsmanlike words of Kathy Duva at the post fight presser. “Unsportsmanlike”? Isn’t it more “unsportsmanlike” to hit a man in his nuggets during a boxing match than it is to be upset about a perceived unfair verdict? I don’t blame Duva for being pissed off at the post-fight press conference. If had to deal with Roc Nation’s B.S. and Team Ward’s shenanigans for weeks, then witness my fighter get repeatedly fouled during the bout, and finally be constantly interrupted by obnoxious Ward sycophants during the post-fight press conference, I would have totally lost my mind and gone off Punish-style on some of those knuckle heads.

Say what you will about the borderline blows, it was the colossal right hand that put the Krusher on queer street, and Andre Ward’s sheer determination and resilience that had Krusher on the verge of succumbing before the right hand even landed. I agree that Ward was gradually wearing Kovalev down (although he was taking his share of lumps in the process) and I agree that the right hand in Round 8 was the beginning of the end for Krusher, but who’s to say how much those “borderline blows” (and let’s not pretend that SOME of those shots weren’t clearly below the beltline) took out of him? Have you ever been hit low during a boxing match?

 

LOW BLOWS

How can you get a KO with a flurry of low blows? – Matthias

That’s what Kathy Duva wants to know.

 

TONY WEEKS BLEW IT

Hey Doug,

It’s been a while since I’ve chimed in, but I feel like Tony Weeks laid a major egg. He allowed Ward to hold endlessly. The ending is a shameful refereeing performance for the ages. He had no business stopping the fight. Especially after all the questionable low punches by Ward. He owed Kovalev and the fans at least a count and the opportunity to survive the round.

I’ve always liked and respected Tony Weeks, but on Saturday night he seemed like an amateur referee totally biased towards one side.

Cheers. – Juan in Santa Clara (by way of Miami by way of Caracas, Venezuela)

I’m generally OK with Weeks’ performances and I consider him to be one of the top veteran referees in boxing, but I agree that he didn’t have the best night on Saturday. To be fair, most referees – no matter how sharp and impartial – would have their hands full with Ward and Kovalev. That’s a difficult assignment.

I don’t want to think that Weeks was biased against Kovalev but as the fight progressed, it did seem like he was more tolerant of Ward’s rough stuff than he was with Kovalev’s infractions. I didn’t want to go there (in my head) but given Kovalev’s well-publicized allegations of racism I couldn’t help but wonder if Weeks (who’s African American) was irked with the white Russian (even subconsciously) in the hours following the fight. But then I thought about Mayweather’s first bout with Marcos Maidana, and how he allowed the Argentine slugger to fight a very rough-and-tumble fight against the biggest star in the sport. He wasn’t looking out for the “brotha” in that fight. And I don’t want to accuse him of doing so in this one.

I’ll leave it at this, I’m not personally outraged by the stoppage but I can understand the outrage and frustration that has been expressed by Team Kovalev, Main Events, many fans and some members of the media. I think the low blows and the stoppage could have been handled better by Weeks.

 

SON OF GOLOTA

Hi Doug,

What a fight!!! Man, who knew Ward was going to add shades of Andrew Golota to his already potent John Ruiz style??? That’s what I call making an adjustment!

Clearly, Team Ward studied tape of Kovalev and realized his testicles don’t have much punch resistance. Tony Weeks did an excellent job saving Kovalev at the end because who knows how many more left hooks to the balls he would’ve let Ward land. I know you dislike this word, Doug, but Kovalev’s weak testies were “exposed”! Then again, I’m not one to talk seeing that my 5-year-old son recently dropped me when he threw his Nerf football at my privates. Where the heck was Tony Weeks when I needed him?

I have yet to read or hear anyone mention that Ward’s fight changing right hand landed moments after he hit Kovalev with the first low blow of the 8th Round (which was at least his 3rd of the fight), but that’s okay because the finishing three shots to the nuts were clearly P4P stuff! Even Roy Jones and Max Kellerman said so! Legal/semi-legal/blatantly illegal, Son of Golota (aka The Almost as Quiet Man) always finds a way to win – P4P #1!!!!!!!!!!

On a less sarcastic note, thanks for the mailbags. – WC

And thank you for the laughs. I wonder how many readers thought you were serious for at the start of your facetious cheer-leading/back-handed rant?

I’m sure the back-and-forth battles between Ward supporters and Kovalev fans that raged on social media after the fight will continue in the Disqus comments below this column, and those of us who are ready to move on will probably have to tolerate the online pissing contest (which will no doubt become racial charged) under Friday’s mailbag. But I’m hoping that we can all get over it and focus on the many excelling fight cards that are coming up in the next 12-13 weeks.

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  • Michel Desgrottes

    Punches were on the white belt line, not on the Hublot Logo, he wore his shorts as high as his belly button for gods sake

    Get over it

    Ward won, dougie ate that crow

    Y’all mad cause y’all wanted the “krusher” to remain but he was smoke and mirrors and Ward exposed that

    SOG p4p

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      It wasn’t smoke and mirrors. Dre was just too good.

    • Park

      Both of these wins will always have a big asterisk beside them in the record books in the eyes of most fans. Kovalev up against not just a fellow elite level boxer in Ward, but also the full force of the American boxing establishment

      • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

        He got beat bro, get over it.

        • Park

          I stand by my comments. He needed foul play to get the edge

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            You’re standing by a pile of bullshit

          • Park

            Plenty of other people saying the same stuff I am. Your rabid fanboyism is clouding your judgement

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Rabid fanboysm…oh god.
            Look man, Kovalev got hit by possibly 5 low blows, but not of the debilitating kind (right in the nuts). He was hit on the padding over his belly button. He was trying to catch a breather by looking at the ref, who was veeeery permissive on both sides (see all the rabbit punching, holding done by Kovalev). Had he sold it more, a la bhop, he might have gotten that 5 minute break he was looking for.
            He got stopped cause he was rocked by a right hand he didn’t see and didn’t fight back for a full 40 seconds.
            I see clearly my friend.

          • Park

            Five that went unpunished. Nobody is disputing the right hand that landed, but would it have landed were it not for the earlier low shots that depleted Kovalev? Weeks didn’t do his job. Even Paulie Malignaggi is saying this. Thing is, we’re living in a lean time for US boxing, and Ward is the standard bearer for the sport in the states, so he will always be given the benefit of any doubt, and we’ve seen this across both bouts.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Those five low blows (on the belly, none of those shots were on the balls) changed the fight as much as kovalev’s rabbit punching, read: zero. You know it too, bro, be honest. Ward got the best of him, simple as that.

          • Park

            You seriously think the low shots had no effect? Why is it in the rules that a fighter is permitted recovery time for a low blow if the referee rules it then? Not that Weeks was ever going to rule that. As for the best of him – I view it as 1-1 over the two fights, they’re pretty evenly matched.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            That’s when you get hit in the nuts, not on the padding over your belly button. Kov never got hit on the nuts, he got hit on his (very high) waist line. Pulling your trunks up doesn’t move your balls up.
            And no, kovalev maybe won a narrow decision, and he got STOPPED in the rematch. It’s over my friend

          • Jorge

            Some of those punches were not low blows though and Kov was being hurt by real body shots. The ref can’t stop the fight for body blows. How is he to determine okay now he was hurt by a low blow and not body shots?

          • Park

            That’s his job though. Refs seem to have no trouble noticing low blows when Bernard Hopkins is in the ring

          • Jorge

            That would mean stopping the fight countless times… Kov was wearing down as usual and didn’t have much to say when the fight was stopped

          • David Telfer

            Wearing down as usual? When has he ever done this in the past? Bare in mind he was unbeaten until he was robbed in the first Ward fight…

          • Jorge

            His last fight with ward, he did great first 6 rds and last 6 rds didn’t do much.

          • The Imp

            He should have won Rds 10 n 12 in first fight. Fading, but not done.

          • Jorge

            Like I said wearing down. Excuses of overtraning are just that. Excuses

          • Jorge

            What really hurt Kovalev were body shots his stamina has never been the best.

          • Park

            That’s a separate issue though. Good clean shots can get mixed in with illegal stuff. Ward is a master at doing this. Playing percentages, safe in the knowledge that he’ll be protected

          • Jorge

            That’s what did him in were the body shots and not so great conditioning. A lot of fighters land low blows its part of the sport.

          • Park

            The legit body shots had an effect, of course, as did Kovalev’s possible lack of conditioning, as did the big right hand, and the low blows but you can take any of these things in isolation. And if it’s against the rules it should be consistently penalised, and it’s not. It seems to depend on who is giving and taking the low blows

          • Jorge

            It’s not supposed to be consistently penalized otherwise both fighters would have points taken away. There are suppose to be warnings

        • DRE

          Some of these trolls are whining even more than Kovalev did.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            way more

          • Triple T

            Like you do all the time you little cat-fucking bitch.

      • ceylon mooney

        ward
        lost the first
        fight, but he sure as shit won this one, tho, fouls
        and all.

        unlike doug, i would like to see a rubber
        match. no way kovalev
        wins, but id
        still like to see it.

        • Park

          Me too. I see it as 1-1 at this stage

        • Giuseppe

          im happy for them to move on. Ward v Stevenson is probably politically impossible. who would you like to see them both fight – ward and kov – if not one another?

          Kov v Berterbiev?

          Ward v Jack?

          • ceylon mooney

            whoa–i never thought about ward vs
            jack. yea man id be way into that. ward handles him no prob but itd be a good show.

            i could see kov makin himself a mandatory
            to stevenson…i dont think kov would
            take bieterbiev next, but itd b cool. part
            of me wonders if saturday was the beginning of kovalevs end. if thats true, artur could speed it up. i kinda dont want to see that happen, but thats how sport goes
            right?

            with bieturbiev, really i want anyone in the top 10 to fight this guy. its like no one with somethin to lose will go near him, of maybe its the money and politics.

          • Giuseppe

            i never bothered to check the spelling of better-beef’s name. i’m sorry artur!

          • ceylon mooney

            me neither. hope he aint readin this.

          • Rick

            I think anyone including Ward is going to have their hands full with that Bivol dude.

    • Orca

      You’re doing Ward a disservice saying that Kov was smoke and mirrors. He was the most dominant 175 champ since Roy Jones. Not a fan of Ward but he hung tough with Kovalev and had the beating of him on Saturday night. The low shots sullied the performance a little. It’s frustrating because there was no need for them. Those shots and the stoppage took the edge of what was looking like a career defining performance from Ward. Still, I give him props and hope he racks up some defenses.

      • ceylon mooney

        good points.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        No, I always felt sergey was smoke and mirrors, im actually more nervous for Ward if he fights Adonis or whats his name signed to al but having promotional issues with Yvonne Michel up in Canada

        • Charlie U.

          So, he’s smoke and mirrors because he lost twice to Ward, whom you consider the best or one of the best pound for pound fighters in the sport?? There’s no logic in that.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            I never said kovalev was or wasn’t pound for pound

          • Charlie U.

            Smoke and mirrors implies that he’s all hype and no substance.

        • Orca

          Fine, not much of a win for Ward then right?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Ehhh not really, I’m waiting for him to fight Adonis

          • Orca

            Fair enough. The Adonis fight won’t happen. He’ll move up I reckon.

    • Rick

      I’d be willing to bet you still haven’t gotten over Golovkin beating Jacobs.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        Nah I’m good and proud of Jacobs valiant effort, Ward 🔥🔥🔥

    • FLOMATARD
      • The Imp

        Right on the “b”. But it wasn’t low! Lmao

        • TNT

          That shot clearly landed above the so-called B–which by the way I am seriously starting to believe isn’t there–smack on the belt line. For all purposes, Ward was hitting a White Steve Urkel. (sarcasm).

          • The Imp

            No it didn’t. But if you won’t believe your own lying eyes, what chance do I got to convince you of anything. We’ll agree to disagree and those with eyes know that shot hit him right in the “b”.

          • TNT

            Damn, I didn’t know it was you. I was being sarcastic. Of course I agree with you

          • The Imp

            Lol, I sneak in from time to time. Have to take myself away from the racial talk at times. I hate talib kweli, lol.

          • The Imp

            I really thought the white Steve urkel comment was some good sarcasm, lol.

          • The Imp

            Btw, how ya been? Good I hope.

        • Darren James Smith

          It made me wince anyway

      • RayK

        Like, hunching over doesn’t mean his balls drop half a foot. Weird cos it seems a lot of people either don’t know where the groin is or have never been hit there.

  • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

    My nuggets are way below my belly button, where ward’s low blows landed. But maybe sergey is built differently than most of us. Truth is, he was trying to buy time, that’s all.
    And if you don’t fight back for a full 30 seconds, eat 15 blows in a row (I’m not counting the last two low ones) look hurt af, bend over in two and sit on the ropes, don’t complain when the ref steps in to save your ass. Next time know better and take a knee

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      Maybe Kovalev had an erection.

      • ceylon mooney

        ward def broke the til off in that case. prolly busted a knuckle
        doin it.

  • Giuseppe

    Good stuff Doug-o.

    ‘Krusher’ talked about hurting Ward and kicking his ass but he could not take it when he was put under physical and mental pressure. The shots that ward staggered him with were legit and well timed. Ward had him reeling across the ring, grimacing in pain and flailing in confusion. And after that he had no fight in him. 100% the shots that triggered Weeks’ stoppage 2/3 of them were low. But by that time Kov was sinkinf down the ropes, folded over. And think of the alternative… had Ward stepped back and gone to kovs motionless head, that would have caused weeks to jump in too. Kov wanted out and his decision to make more of the low blows earlier in the fight backfired. As I read in some of the post-fight analysis – “it’s all downhill when you turn away and look at the ref after a legal punch lands… what exactly are you asking the ref to do?”

    I thought both guys looked pretty great to be honest. I thought Weeks let a lot go, including a lot of rabbit punches and head stuff from Kov and Ward’s low blows. But this was always gonna be a nasty fight and I
    think it’s surprising, to me at least, that kov did not have as much animal in him as Ward, who I thought was brilliant. That stoppage was coming, kovalev was empty and had nothing to cling on to… perhaps little experience of being in such a state. In the first fight, Ward avoided getting stopped in two by moving
    and grabbing and appearing to still have his wits about him.

    Early stoppage, sure, so a little dissatisfying. But I feel focussing just on the low blows is a false narrative. Kov gave Weeks the opportunity to make a mistake by just seeming like he was stunned. In the first
    fight ward didn’t allow the ref that chance to end the fight. He was moving, holding, clinging. That, in microcosm, is the difference between these very evenly matched fighters… One is savvy to the point of frustration and the other simply didn’t have enough tricks in the bag.

    I was a neutral in both fights… But ward really impressed me with his spectrum of strategies and
    little tricks. You are gonna have to knock this fucker out to beat him! And I admire that to be honest.

    Kovalev is a very good fighter but I think losing hurt him real bad. In fact, I think just the fact it was a close first fight at all gave him problems he could not mentally overcome. He seems to lack mental strength when he is not the dominant force.

    Whatever you can say about Ward, who is clearly not to everyone’s taste, he is mentally strong and can think under extreme pressure. I really enjoyed both fights. Kovalev needs another pascal to regain himself.
    Ward… Not sure what else is there for him. He dominated smw, went tooth and nail and beat the best lh. Maybe unify against Stevenson if possible and call it a career? Maybe a final farewell superfight with GGG at a catchweight to cap it all off (if GGG beats Canelo).

    I understand the outrage but I cannot help but enjoy seeing the badass get badassed! A bit like when toney beat holyfield… One guy was dialled in and the other dialled out.

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      Ward is very, very strong mentally. He has a steely eyed focus in the ring that ranks with the all time greats.
      His bouts are too often marred with tactical fouling though, which appears to be far more integral to his success in the ring than any other fighter at this level that I can ever think of, including Hopkins.
      I was prepared to push Ward right up there in my estimation had he won the fight clean but, yet again, it didn’t happen, not by a long way. It’s a shame.
      And I’m not sure any other light heavy in this era can deal with those slick, perfected illegal tactics. It lends an extra element to what fighters have to deal with in facing Ward that shouldn’t be allowed to be there in the first place. Remember how impotent Mikkel Kessler looked in Ward’s breakthrough win at 168lb. He just had no answer to what Ward was allowed to get away with.

      • Stephen M

        Great points.

        • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

          There’s an agenda with Ward.
          The guy’s no Leonard, Jones or Whitaker, as much as so many people want to believe that he is.
          The list of infractions are so long in his fights (and often you have to watch real, real close to see them because Ward’s so slick at applying them) that I practically disregard his wins, and I hate doing that because, like all passionate fans, I want to see as much true greatness in my lifetime as possible.
          Ward’s just a great rule-breaker, probably the greatest ever.

          • Giuseppe

            yeah he ‘cheated’ that right hand to Kovalev’s face which sent him across the ring like a shoplifer grabbing a pack of nappies.

            then he ‘cheated’ these vicious punches to the head, head, body that turned Kovalev’s face into a mask of agony… observe:

            https://twitter.com/sledskillz/status/876296051765919744/video/1

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            Good, solid, clean work in that particular edit. I’m sure it’s possible to do the same for Fritzie Zivic.

          • Giuseppe

            haha

      • Giuseppe

        maybe you are right. But to be honest, i like it!

      • Rick

        That Kessler fight was atrocious. Some of the dirtiest shit I can remember ever watching.

        • Ewan Leaper

          He resembled the offspring of a goat rather than God with all the butting in that fight

  • Toby Hines

    The reply to the crow comment was first class, not that I think you need to eat any but I get it. Nice one Dougie and why I respect you – great insight and expert analysis but also not one to blindly find straws to defend a previous position.

  • Giuseppe

    Let’s just all accept that even if the blows were low, Kov never got hit in the bollocks. Most boxers wear there shorts so high and Kov’s were too. You’d nver walk around the street with your shorts like that, you’d look mentally retarded!

    In reality he got hit around the belly button, maybe down into the bladder a bit. But you know what? that’s a body shot! And Weeks openly stated that the belt was fair game. Ward would nevr risk getting DQ’d when Kov was there to be finished. So its up to the ref to make a call. He never once said the back of the head was okay but Kov was happily bashing away there in clinches. it’s a fight, man! Why are we all feleing sorry for Kovalev who has never shown anything but brutality and the desire to punish his opponents. He got a taste of it and didn’t like it. You have to go in expecting the worst and react accordingly! Don’t feel sorry for yourself and look for help. Maidana punched floyd in the dick and we all cheered! it happens in the ring non stop. Headbutts, ball shots, rabbit punches, sticking your hand in their face. Klit made a career of the last one.

    Kovalev was bested. That’s all there is to it. and its even worse for him that he wasnt just outboxed, he was outgunned and out thought, too. End of the aura.

    • Park

      So why not just allow biting and headbutting top, right? The referee failed to apply his own instructions. See also Salido v Lomachenko. But when Bernard Hopkins gets hit low against Calzaghe, he gets 5 minutes of limping around the ring to recover.

      • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

        How dare you expose the double standards, Sir.
        So much of Ward’s gameplan in the ring is based on tactical fouling, always has been, and he’s real, real slick at it. No-one’s even mentioning the blatant headbutt he inflicted on Kovalev shortly before uncorking that big right hand.
        I’m no fan of Kovalev but find it funny how Virgil Hunter referred to him as the bully, when the career long tactical cheater under his charge fits that description far more accurately. Of course, Hunter positively encourages that brand of ‘Queensbury Rules’.

        • ceylon mooney

          the headbutts
          get
          mentioned lots

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            I haven’t read any reference to them in this particular fight, personally, but Ward started to use his head like an old Billy Goat in that final round. It really was a masterclass in tactical fouling, not that that deserves any praise.

        • Giuseppe

          Its a dirty sport. Kov was rabbit punching. Ward was low blowing. The decisive blows were all legit IMO.

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            Yet we should strive for a cleaner sport, which starts with limiting the praise for serial foulers like Ward.

          • Giuseppe

            I don’t want a cleaner sport, personally. I like the nastiness. I like the tactical fouling. It’s up to the opposition to overcome it. Mayweather did against Maidana. Come on, man – boxing his half an art and half a war.

          • Orca

            Sorry but that’s nonsense. Some fighters get a hell of a lot more leeway from the ref when it comes to fouling. It’s not an even playing field. I like the rules being there to try and dictate a fair fight. A fighter shouldn’t be at a disadvantage for sticking to the rules. This is boxing.

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            Exactly and furthermore, Ward positively works on develping his fouling game. Any fighter who doesn’t do the same should be applauded but is at a clear disadvantage against Ward.

          • Giuseppe

            In a fast moving sport, there are grey areas. some are better at manipulating and using these grey areas to their advantage. it works for them because they plant doubts. they find a way to ‘own’ the interpretation of these rules. i find that quite ingenious.

          • Mauro Hermida

            Skilled fighters can actually in-fight. I will put his on Kovalev too, since outside of his mid range game, he really cannot do much. Its effective, but when the script was changed and he had to fight inside, nothing. Have we ever seen a guy like Chocolatito grapple with anyone? This is probably why I am enjoying the little guys more and more these days. Because the top ones pretty much stay away from this shit. I will never rate Ward that high because of all the grappling. Hops too. Wlad. The list keeps growing. Its too much for my taste. I still remember Ward literally beating Kessler with headbutts. He cut both his eyes with them. Im sure Kessler wanted to keep being able to see and just mailed it in.

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            Nothing has happened yet this year to change my view that Roman is the best fighter in the world.

          • Giuseppe

            100% agree.

          • Orca

            Good post Mauro. I agree with nearly everything you posted. Well said. I never see Chocolatito or Lomachenko resort to that rubbish.

          • Mauro Hermida

            Even when they have been in it tough, they didn’t resort to grappling.

          • Orca

            That’s right and that’s one of the reasons I rate those guys higher than Ward. Lomachenko in particular puts ward to shame in my opinion.

          • JV316

            and look what happened to choco in his last fight, maybe if he had used some smart grappling on the inside he could have avoided being headbutted a dozen times and wouldn’t have lost to an inferior talent

          • Mauro Hermida

            Really, that is your rationale?? He lost because of a shit decision. Ward grapples because he CANNOT fight on the inside. Chocolatito CAN fight on the inside. Its what he does. He doesn’t grapple most likely because it would smother his work.

          • JV316

            that’s true, and i don’t really want to see him grapple because i appreciate his style as much as i appreciate ward’s (which involves grappling), but i do think the headbutts played a role in him losing, even if it was because the judge’s were wrongly swayed by his bloody face (that was ric flair-level crimson mask). maybe that could have been avoided…

          • The Imp

            You get it, bro.

          • Giuseppe

            agree. i think choc is beyond reproach and the ring fucked up by removing him as number one. The guy is fighting monsters two weight classes (at least) above his comfort zone, and in that fight he took massive butts and was on the end of a shit decision.

          • Giuseppe

            choco was excellent, fighting a beast, should have won. also took some unlucky headbutts to the face. he is the best fighter in the aport IMO.

          • JV316

            agreed man he got jobbed and i don’t ever want to see choco change, i love and respect the risks he takes

          • Giuseppe

            i admire it. but i also love guys who box on outside and stalkers like GGG (who has zero inside game). i just admire the ability to exploit the grey areas. but then again, i’m a fan of italian football so i have perverse prediclictions

          • DRE

            Yes. It’s boxing and it’s a harsh sport. Fighters are already there to punch one another into submission. Look at all the brain injuries as a result of legal punches to the head. So why complain over a few low blows that weren’t really all that low. Even without the supposed dirty tactics Ward would have won it. He was able to up his game big time. Kovalev couldn’t. The better and clearly tougher fighter won.

          • TNT

            A low blow is as named. It is an illegal punch. The referee should be tarred and feathered for a horrible performance.

            Ward found a way to win. Is he better than Kovalev? Well, he should have lost the first was on his way to losing the second but got the win. It isn’t really clear that he is “better.” Is he tougher? Well, we’ve never seen him fight abroad. He’s never had to put up with a foreign crowd, referee, judges. Nor has he fought a guy as dirty, or dirtier, than himself. It is hard to say. Ward is much more clever than Kovalev. Maybe that is why he got away with elbows, low blows, holding, and sealed the deal with a tko win by way of, ahem, “body” punches.

          • Guy Grundy

            Very astute comments…good to see someone finally mentioning that Ward doesn’t/hasn’t traveled.The reality is, despite his perfect record, the same baggage continues to accompany Ward

          • maxx

            Excellent post.Kudos

          • The Imp

            Heyyy, Maxx!

          • maxx

            Hi Ritchie, good to see you back buddy, how are you and how are things?Kudos friend

          • The Imp

            Good bro. Just popping in to drop some boxing thoughts. Felt compelled after Saturday.

          • maxx

            Glad to hear it bro, do stick around and indeed a lot of fight fans felt sickened by the ref and Wards many low blows, do hope their is a rematch some time in the near future with a fair and balanced ref.Kudos Ritchie

          • Giuseppe

            i think you are wilfully ignoring all of ward’s good work. i think only two of the ten or so body shots were below the line. big deal. should the ref have punished kov’s rabbit punches too? Ward had a lot of great body work.

          • TNT

            You can think what you please. Video footage shows that Ward landed a few low blows throughout the bout. It is a big deal. As are the rabbit punches. A competent referee would have ensured that the fight was held on fair, even terms so that we the fans would have seen a clear winner. Both fighters landed body shots, more so Ward as the fight wore on–however, Kovalev was outlanding Ward in total punches. Ward is not a strong puncher.

          • Giuseppe

            He was strong enough to make kovalev dance around, retreat and double over.

            And this body shot looks pretty fierce to me, note kovalev’s contorted, agonised face:

            https://twitter.com/sledskillz/status/876296051765919744

          • TNT

            Sure, he did. While also hitting him low. Ward is not a power puncher nor a ko artist but he won by tko.

            Kovakev obviously has his achilles heal located on the torso.

          • Giuseppe

            one of my favourite and most surreal moment sin boxing occurs when, after the bell for the end of the round goes, the fighters bump into one another, squaring up as if to fight. They are already in the middle of a fight!

          • The Imp

            Giuseppe would be cool with Tyson’s ear bite, as long as the ref didn’t see it and it was a tactical foul……..lol.
            Sorry, the rules are their for a reason and if part of your foundation as a boxer is to tactically foul, then guess what, you should be getting dq’d, not praise.

          • Giuseppe

            funnily enough, tyson laims he bit the ear because he was getting butted so badly by holyfield. when you rewatch the fight… it is infuriating… but maybe tyson went too far… maybe. ha

          • The Imp

            Kov rabbit punched when ward grappled him, which was every 10 seconds.

          • Giuseppe

            made for eachother.

          • The Imp

            Not really. Kov has never had an issue w holding or rabbit punching. Ward does that every fight. Ward truly has no inside game. Punch n hold. Sometimes skip the punch, go straight to the holding. Why didn’t weeks stop the holding by Andre? Honestly, this is why I hardly ever comment anymore. The demographic and their skewed ideas about boxing are winning.

          • Giuseppe

            man, in the first fight i’d say kovalev instigated most of the holding. and he locked up ward constantly. anyway, kovalev lost. ward’s lack of inside game is doing pretty well for him. the sport is subjective, after all. even the interpretation of ‘below the belt’ appears to be at the discretion of the ref.

          • TNT

            The sport isn’t “subjective.” That is a ready made excuse for the incompetent and corrupt that is eaten whole by the naive. Ward landed a few low blows. That is a fact. Just how low is a matter of measurement–which can be done.
            Still, Kovalev fell apart. He didn’t handle those blows well and seemed to be seeking the referee’s assistance, which was a bad move given that the referee–for whatever reason–did not penalize Ward for low blows. Ward capitalized on that fact.

          • The Imp

            This is as close to the objective truth as possible, I think.

          • Giuseppe

            the sport obviously is subjective. hundreds of thousands of people have seen the slo mo replays of the body shots and there is no consensus about them. that illustrates it is subjective. Judges and referees interpret the action. interpretation means their is subjectivity. there is even subjectivity in olympic scoring bouts.

          • TNT

            You are tangling too many things together to describe the sport–subjectivity, objectivity, and interpretation. I’ll quickly try to demonstrate why my claim that the sport isn’t subjective [in the sense that many, including yourself, claim it is] in the post that follows. Let’s take the current issue concerning low blows as a case to work with. The referee made it clear that a certain portion of the trunks would not be low–because it coincides with an area of the body that is not deemed low in the sport. However, there is footage where the punches land beneath that area or touch that area and a portion beneath it simultaneously. To say that we interpret, obfuscates thinking. We perceive. When we start “interpreting,” we can erroneously justify our inclinations towards or against a person. But if we remain perceiving–than a punch strictly on the belt-line in this bout would have been fine. There is footage that provides measurable information to determine a clean blow vs a illegal blow. Hence, even though we are subjectively perceiving the information this subjectivity differs from say the following “Ward is gonna win, I feel it in my guts,” or “Ward’s body punches, I like them. I prefer somebody who hits the body.” The scoring criteria is an objective means by which to judge a bout. Hence, it shouldn’t matter if a punch lands on the head or body just as long as it is clean. I somewhat digress. In sum, we subjectively process the objective. Yet, that doesn’t mean that we are any less objective, as there are things in the world that are simply brute facts. The chemical composition of water, the length of a given object, the speed of a punch. Just because people disagree about what they seen–probably they are not sticking to the objective nature of the thing they are witnessing–doesn’t mean that it is a subjective (only open to interpretation) phenomena. It is measurable. There is a designated legal and illegal zone of the body from which to calculate if the punch landed in one, the other, or both. If it lands on both then there should be a rule stating that said punch is either legal or illegal. The sport is grounded in bodies moving in motion, scored by criteria, refereed by rules–just because people ignore these facts doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

          • The Imp

            Kovalev instigated most of the holding? Dude. Watch Ward’s last 10 fights then kovs last 10, then rewatch both ward kov fights. Kov did not instigate the holding.

          • Giuseppe

            i’m talking about ward v kov 1. (i have seen their last ten fights.)

          • The Imp

            Then you know, ward is a grappler n kov is not…..right?

          • N C

            seriously grappling is not infighting. james toney was a legit master at infighting. he could sit in the pocket all day shoulder rolling and ducking, not getting hit and hitting back. probably because he was too lazy and out of shape to get away but it worked.

          • Giuseppe

            i know that kovalev was trying to MATCH ward’s proclivity to wrestle and it tired him out because he is not that good at it.

          • The Imp

            No, you believe kovalev was trying to match Ward’s grappling, you don’t know, bro.

          • Giuseppe

            i guess not! poor old me!

          • Triple T

            Judging by your lavish praise over your boy Ward it’s so obvious you two are the ones made for each other.

          • Giuseppe

            Oh you!

          • Mitchell Nelms

            The most effective punches Ward threw were fouls and most of the damage done to Kovalev were headbutts. There’s a guy on youtube called Mathew Fouts, he put together a round 8 ‘foul study’ that highlighted the blatant fouls. His videos are relatively unbiased, but, he’s not afraid to tell the truth that he sees.

            I think we can all agree that this fight was poorly managed by Roc Nation in everyway possible. It’s going to be difficult for Ward to find fighters willing to fight after this abortion of a promotion and shit treatment of Kovalev.

          • Triple T

            Fouling is the only way Ward wins. And the Kov rematch is no exception. Why you defend a piece of shit like Andre Ward.

      • Giuseppe

        I agree – it is up to the ref. But i do noth think Ward did anything too bad to be honest. He hit him in the belly. if those were a bit low, he should have been warned. But i don’t think he did anything too bad. i certainly don;t think it was intentional. try hiting someone in the belly when they are folded over in front of you. That first body shot of the three was totally legit, against the ropes. Kov doubled over and Ward let two more go in the space of two seconds. big deal.

        • Park

          That final shot looked right on the nuts, you see Kovalev wince as it lands. He shouldn’t have to “sell” these to the ref, the ref is supposed to be proactively administering the rules. Whether Ward would have gone on to win anyway with Kovalev looking pretty gassed is a moot point (in all probability he would have), as the low shots not being punished changed the complexion of the fight. Again, I use Loma v Salido as another example of this.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            If we’re being fair that last shot, that never landed on the balls, was low because kovalev was in an illegal position in a boxing ring: bended over at the waist. There’s no way around it man HE GOT BEAT

          • Park

            No, it happened because Ward deliberately aimed it at his balls. He’s the dirtiest fighter around, but his fans, the US boxing media and officialdom consistently overlook and excuse it because of who he is.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Dude come on, don’t be such a baby rn. It’s embarassing

          • Park

            You honestly think Ward doesn’t know what he’s doing? Come on. And Kovalev isn’t even one of my favourite fighters, I just think he’s had to deal with loaded dice here, as does anyone who faces Ward, and it sucks, and demeans the sport

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Alright man, do something for me. Get butt naked and go look at yourself in the mirror, take a note on where your balls are at, watch the low blow again, and finally throw away your keyboard

          • Park

            Kovalev wasn’t naked pal, he was wearing a protective cup. And the rules aren’t “only direct ball shots are fouls”, because that would be impossible to enforce. It’s shots below the belt that supposedly get penalised. Though not if your name is Ward.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            You’re saying he got hit in the balls, I’m saying, go look where the balls are at on an average person.
            Plus the ref made it clear that the belt line was ok before the fight.
            But hey, you’re butt-hurt and that’s ok, just let it go. The guy you don’t like won, big deal

          • Park

            That happens all the time though, it’s part of being a fan. Kovalev isn’t one of the guys I really root for, though he is a good action fighter. I just point out where I don’t think someone has been given a fair shake, and the two fights have just been tainted by the various controversies

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            To be honest, he could’ve been given those five minutes, but imho it wouldn’t been fair. Ward won clearly, by hurting kovalev with body shots, some of which were borderline. Kovalev tried to buy some time and some wind by pretending to be hurt in the nut sack by “low” blows, that’s it. I think it’s a bit unfair to ward to deem his victory as unjust
            But hey man it’s all good, I hope I didn’t offend you earlier

          • Park

            For what it’s worth I think he was probably on his way to winning anyway, but the way Weeks handled it has left a degree of doubt. We’re obviously not going to agree on whether they were low – opinion seems pretty split on that – but the referee has had a poor night. At the very least he could have administered a count if he believed the shots to be legal

          • Giuseppe

            i think weeks spoiled it for ward more than anyone else. kovalev was out of that fight. he was gone. ward has been denied the best finish of his career.

          • Park

            That’s mere conjecture though. We’ve seen people come back from much worse and win. If Weeks took a point off Ward for the low blows and Kovalev got 5 mins to recover, then who knows what might have transpired. Maybe the same result, maybe something entirely different

          • MontyCircus

            According to unified rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions: “There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count.”

            If Weeks deemed the blows to be legal his options were to wave Ward ahead to batter a defenseless fighter, or to call the fight. He couldn’t “give a count” as so many are suggesting.

          • Park

            I’m not talking about a standing 8 count, I’m talking about a count for a knockdown after he sat on the ropes, which Weeks could have done. Or, recognise that the shots were repeatedly low and give Kovalev recovery time, which he SHOULD have done

          • MontyCircus

            I see. I don’t think the ropes were supporting him at the moment Weeks rushed in to stop it though. He later sat on them as Weeks stood over him and he had waved it off. But I don’t think anyone can argue with the fact that Kovalev wasn’t protecting himself in that moment, and that’s the cardinal rule, protect yourself at all times. Like I said, if the ref deemed the blows to be legal, his options were to wave Ward ahead to batter a defenseless fighter, or to call the fight. In my eyes, Kovalev panicked, stopped fighting and essentially gave up. (I scored the first fight for Kovalev and couldn’t see a Ward win even if I gave him all of the close rounds, but was impressed with his second half rally, and although surprised, wasn’t really mad about the decision, especially as I expected the rematch to, in a sense, prove who won the first one, it’d be like 2 wins in 1!).

          • Park

            I think he kept getting smashed in the nuts and sunk to the deck. This was a unified world title fight, Weeks not only missed the low shots, but jumped in with a premature stoppage. It cheated the fans of seeing the correct conclusion to the bout, it cheated Ward of the chance to win definitively and Kovalev of the chance to come back and win a historic victory

          • Giuseppe

            he’s too smart to throw away the fight on a DQ. i think he was just throwing at the body and it was a fw inches the wrong way.

          • dmejia2

            agreed, if Ward throws a “head shot” it ends up being behind the head (illegal shot). Kov looked like he was on his way to conceding.

          • Giuseppe

            exactly. and he wasn’t that way for fun. he was beat!

          • Giuseppe

            i’ll have to look at the punch again – i will – but i rmember it being just below the belt. So lLets say the belt is generally above the belly button nowadays. There’s no way Kovalev’s nuts are up there! that’d just be freakish, sad and funny all at once.

          • The Imp

            Dude, he hit the “b” in Hublot with the last shot. I don’t understand everyone saying it was borderline. It was well below the belt bro.

          • Giuseppe

            not according to the one man that counts. literally, he counts.

          • The Imp

            Literally, weeks sucks. He watched and did nothing. He belongs w Bayless n Steele in the, I don’t ever want to see you integrity less pieces of shit in a ring again.

          • Giuseppe

            here’s the punch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxlV5C4KHY

            I think that’s in the belly. below the belt line, but not in the ‘rubles’ unless there is something seriously amiss with Kovalev’s family jewels.

            And i think its hard to make the case that Ward did it deliberately and risked a DQ when he had Krusher ready to go.

          • Park

            Ward knew there was no way on earth he was even losing a point, never mind getting DQ’d. He gets away with more shit than any fighter I can recall watching. And I’ve watched that punch multiple times. In the balls.

          • Jorge

            Seems like a lot of excuses for kovalev like overtraining, etc etc. Great fighters find a way to win. Kovalev found a way to win v Hopkins he just didn’t v. Ward.

          • Park

            I think Ward probably would have won anyway, and possibly even by stoppage, but I also think Kovalev should have had a time out for the low blows. There’s no inconsistency in that

          • Jorge

            Maybe the ref just had a bad night… that’s all and leave it at that.

          • Andy T

            I agree with you ref stopped it too early although Kovolev was shot

          • The Imp

            Cept for Floyd. Bhop eventually got called on his bullshit. Floyd n ward are the only 2.

          • Harry

            True, he already got away with repeated headbutting against Kessler. In that fight he definitely deserved a DQ

          • Mauro Hermida

            That my friend was in the dick or right next to it.

      • Jody Hanna

        Virgil Hunter jumping in the ring with an aluminium stool?

      • Ewan Leaper

        Lomachenko would probably be an unbeaten boxer if he’d landed a couple of strategic shots to Salido’s balls. Right or wrong doesn’t change the fact that this would have been sound advice from his corner, it’s been this way in boxing for as long as there’s been boxing.

        If Ward finds a referee who won’t put up with his shenanigans he’ll have to adapt or be DQ’d, until that time he has no reason to change what he’s doing.

        • Park

          Absolutely. Think the loss to Salido benefitted Loma in the long run though – the penny dropped after that fight

        • The Imp

          Problem is, Loma didn’t get kod by a low blow, he kept fighting.

          • Ewan Leaper

            He did, nearly got to Salido at the end as well. Had he had the nous to play Salido at his own game he’d have won. Credit to him for the performance and his fair play but sticking to the rules rarely benefits a fighter at the top level

          • Ewan Leaper

            Yeah, he nearly got Salido at the end too. Had he landed a few low blows then Salido would probably have gone…

        • Nathan Dryden

          Agreed, Hatton beat Tszyu with tactical fouls……..

          • Ewan Leaper

            Never actually watched that fight but I can well believe it, probably one of the few fans in the U.K. that wasn’t a Hatton nut…

            Certainly one of the big gripes you hear is that Joe Cortez was overly officious during the Mayweather fight, Hatton not being allowed to fight his fight- most certainly would have included some rabbit punches, head butts and low blows had Cortez been more relaxed.

            I don’t have too much of a problem with fouls as long as the ref is fair, let it be an eye for an eye to an extent as long as it doesn’t take over.

    • Jody Hanna

      Apparently eye gouging is frowned upon these days though, political correctness gone mad.

      • Giuseppe

        Let’s hope Conor McGregor was taking note at some of these nut punches. I say put eye gouging onthe table for that fight.

        • Park

          What do you think will happen if McGregor tries rough stuff in that fight?

          • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

            Against Floyd? Assassination.

          • Park

            Well, we all saw the Hatton fight so I think the answer is already there. Joe Cortez protected Floyd like his first born in that one

          • Mauro Hermida

            Bayless has become the black Cortez.

          • Giuseppe

            DQ. immediately. life aint fair 🙁

    • Stephen M

      Following the style of the day and looking retarded do not seem to be mutually exclusive in my experience.

      • Giuseppe

        yes, i recall having very baggy clothes as a youngster and very tight ones now. Most likely my daughters will look back at my choice of attire and deem me mentally subnormal either way/

    • Larry Connor

      I totally agree. I really hope your comments do not alienate you. That took guts. Salute.

      • Giuseppe

        Russian mob after me?

        • Larry Connor

          Ha ha ha ha ha I doubt it. They have bigger problems at the moment

        • Harry

          I think Ward was definitely a better fighter in this second fight. Unlike their first affair, Kovalev could not even inflict any visible damage or hurt Ward, he did not do his homework, that’s for sure. I was impressed with Ward’s grit like Dougie and yet there is still a sour aftertaste because of bullshit refereeing (as Lomachenko put it after the fight), many British experts and fans think Ward fouled clearly and was to be taken off a point or two. And a stoppage after a couple of illegal blows is an outright disregard of the rules of boxing. Brits know better because, after all, this is the country which invented this sport. This fight definitely did not make a dirty fighter like Ward a P4P fighter in my eyes. I have him behind Lomachenko, Golovkin, Crawford. What’s more, I am not sure he is the best boxer at star-studded 175 lb. Maybe we’ll never know if Andre prefers to move up instead of defending his titles or trying to snatch the WBC belt from ageing Adonis. But I’ve always said that Artur Beterbiev is a much better fighter than Kovalev. After all, he defeated him in amateurs and he has a much more respectable amateur pedigree. He also fought in Cruiserweight at the end of his amateur career and he dropped Usyk in full headgear, albeit losing to him on scorecards. If that fight were judged by pro boxing rules Beterbiev would have edged Usyk. Beterbiev is very strong physically, has excelent infighting skills. If Ward could not outbox mediocre Kovalev (yes, he always was a mediocre fighter), I wonder how he would look against much better Beterbiev and even against Stevenson with his one-punch game-ending power. If Kovalev could drop Ward in their first fight then Adonis certainly can do this too and hurt Ward worse. There are other brilliant prospects like Joe Smith, Gvozdyk and Bivol. I doubt Ward will ever fight them because these are not lucrative fights, but I am sure these guys would be competitive against Andre who seems insecure. If he were not insecure then why would he resort to dirty tactics like headbutting against Kessler or low blows against Kovalev who would lose anyway in later rounds, I am sure.

          • Captain Napalm

            Dude how do you know that Beterbiev is a better fighter than Kov when he barely even fights and when he does it’s against meatheads. And Stevenson? If lil Stevie here punked from Kovalev then he’s probably going to whimper away from the very dude who just out-brawled Kovalev.
            I guess there’s the hope (or at least the wish) that Joe Smith will send Dre crashing without a parachute. Just like what happened to Hopkins. But as Kov found out Dre ain’t Hopkins. Anyhow we’ll what happens after Smith’s next fight or two.
            Then you got Gvozdyk. Hey he’s a tall heavy-handed guy just like Kov plus he’s faster and throws more punches in bunches. Of all the contenders out there I’ll give the Ukrainian dynamo the best chance of knocking off that fouling bastard Dre.

          • Harry

            I believe in Joe Smith and Gvozdyk, both are better than Kov and could give Ward a run for his money. I’ve never held Kovalev and Ward as top P4P fighters. As for Kovalev I
            would not have him even in the top 10 of the P4P list and Ward is just
            an insecure bastard who cannot beat any good fighter cleanly. He was
            clearly to be DQ-ed for his repeated headbutting of Kessler instead of
            having his hand raised. Kovalev’s best wins are against slow Cleverly
            who does not have power, a former 168-lb short-handed fighter in Pascal
            and a 49-year-old former MW Bernard. And the fact that Ward could not
            beat this prick clean already shows how limited he is. I am not
            trolling. Kovalev turned pro after he was beaten by Beterbiev (TWICE), koed by
            Abbos Atoev and realized he did not have enough skills to win anything
            in amateur ranks. By the way, Ward was beaten badly by Utribek Haydarov
            in the Olympic quarter-finals. That Uzbek fighter dropped him three
            times, but the ref ruled it a slip despite the fact that slow reviews
            clearly indicated that these were clear KDs (in headgear!). Already then
            he was the Son of Judges. He could not beat Kessler legally; that’s why
            he headbutted him repeatedly, but instead of being disqualified he had
            his hand raised. In the Kovalev rematch he resorted to dirty tactics
            again, despite Kovalev being a very flawed boxer on the whole. My Top
            P4P list can be flawed, but it is more or less fair: 1. Loma, 2. GGG, 3.
            Crawford, 4. Joshua, 5. Gonzalez, 6. Ward, 7. Canelo, 8. Yamanaka, 9.
            Inoue, 10. Beterbiev (he’s the future of LHW).

          • TNT

            Very insightful post.

          • Harry

            Thank you, sir

          • N C

            ward v kessler… whatever… fighting over calzaghe’s scraps. calzaghe would slap the shit outta ward. like he slapped the shit out of kessler.

          • Harry

            Absolutely!

          • Triple T

            I’ll also give Joe Smith a helluva good chance of knocking that half-Mick half-Nigger ass-whipe into the middle of next week.

          • Racist Hater

            Suck a dick you racist faggot!!

          • Triple T

            Sorry moron. You’re not my type.

          • Racist Hater

            I said suck a dick not suck my dick dummy!!

          • Racist Hater

            Joe Smith is a fucking club fighter. If he beats Barrera I’ll eat crow.

          • Reggie Woodard

            Shut up pussy.. Whose face are you saying that to??

          • Triple T

            Faggots like you.

          • Reggie Woodard

            No you wouldn’t…. You know what I look like so if you ever see me at a fight, have at it.
            In the interim, how about video yourself using an epithet towards someone, tough guy?

          • Racist Hater

            ANd Joe SMith lost and got his jaw broken. Like I said club fighter!!

      • Orca

        Guts? Am I missing something? Alienate who? Are we being……watched???

        • Charlie U.

          Because everything is about race with some people on here. You know this.

          • Jody Hanna

            Racialism rocks.

          • The Imp

            Racialism rules!

          • Oc

            Yeah, racism against humans….

          • Giuseppe

            you can’t beat it!

          • Orca

            I didn’t know that’s what he meant. Thanks though.

          • Larry Connor

            That’s not what I meant. He’s totally wrong. That was just an easy knee jerk response for him. It’s called ” Guilty conscious”.

          • Mauro Hermida

            Its really called guilty conscience.

          • The Imp

            Still slapping Larry around, love it, lol.

          • Mauro Hermida

            There are a lot of Jim Lampleys that comment here and when certain fighters, cough, cough, black, get the victory, they cannot help but gloat as though they are part of the family or entourage.

          • Joe Steed III

            “I’ll also give Joe Smith a helluva good chance of knocking that half-Mick half-Nigger ass-whipe into the middle of next week” These are the words of Triple-T but you guys have a problem with us celebrating our fighters victories?? If guys are allowed to racially bash us and our fighters because they are upset their fighter lost, then we are allowed to celebrate racially and to celebrate our fighters who are connected to us through race. You dudes is hypocrites man! None of you dudes are going to say anything to Triple-T. Yet Im not even allowed to say Im happy Ward won without being considered or accused of being a racist in these chat boards.

        • Larry Connor

          Yes you are missing something. The fact that this particular site has a strong fan base for certain fighters vs other fighters ( not on a race level as your buddy who commented below you likes to believe). We know that there is not a heavy Ward contingent here, so when he posted a post speaking in a tone that wasn’t in a bashing manner of Ward, I was like wow! These guys will not share that same sentiment, better be careful. Nothing more nothing less. Sorry to dissapoint your buddy who commented below you.

          • Orca

            Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Talkback politics aint my bag.

          • Larry Connor

            Not a problem. I’m a boxing fan. If a guy is good, then a guy is good. In this case both Kov and Ward or good. Kov just was not mentally ready for the elite of the elite level.

          • Charlie U.

            You’re not disappointing me, Connor. You’re being you. Many people have said good things about Ward on this board, including myslef. You saying it takes “guts” for someone who isn’t black to say positive things about him, makes it seem like we took a stand against the bus company when they refused a seat for Rosa Parks. Giuseppe simply gave his opinion about a boxing match that happened on Saturday night. A reasonable opinion and I agreed with him, but just an opinion. No courage was necessary.

          • Larry Connor

            I did not say anything about “Black or White” in my comments. You can insinuate whatever you like, but it does not make it true. I clarified what I was speaking on to Orca, who directly asked me a question instead of assuming. That’s called maturity and growth. You are looking for a fight, but you won’t find one here.

        • Stephen M

          Larry feels like he is some kind of minority and “WE” discriminate against him (because most of the time he is trolling). He calls “US” “bullshit mountain”. Of his 2556 posts I upvoted him twice. He probably deserved at least one of those…

      • TMT LONDON-DA REAL OLA ODUSINA
      • Triple T

        Yeah I guess it takes real guts to defend a piece of shit like Andre Ward.

        • Larry Connor

          Your man loss twice, get over it.

        • Giuseppe

          no need to defend him. his performance was great. he can defend himself, clearly.

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      I walk around with my shorts much higher and happily swallow the jeers of mental retardation.

      • Giuseppe

        better than some young dudes you see who for some reason want to show me their boxers, and skinny thighs, with their jeans hanging down the floor like they forgot to pull them up after taking a shit.

        • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

          I’m forever chastising my boyfriend about that.

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      Have you ever seen Lennox Lewis trunks vs Holyfield? Please dont compare.

      • Jorge

        Yeah man haha. Lennox wore them near his chest

      • Giuseppe

        haha. yeah, touching his boobies.

      • D Johnson

        lol! I had forgotten about that.

    • Thomas Browning

      I agree and I thought Kovalev won the first fight. Gotta give credit to Ward for his mental toughness and will to win. Not having a huge punch makes fighters have to gut it out sometimes; just look at some of Ali’s performances after his layoff. I thought it was a good, competitive fight.

    • Abraham E. Hernández

      RingTV can this be on the front page of the website please?

    • Kudos

      He wasn’t outboxed. End of the aura? Yet you’re one of the fags that moans guys won’t fight each other. Your attitude is why they don’t.

      • Giuseppe

        haha. yeah, it’s my fault. Sorry guys. Kudos is right, he’s a smart one.

    • DRE

      The most laughable reaction to a “lowblow” was John Ruiz flopping to the floor and clutching his privates after a punch landed on his hip. And his opponent, Kirk Johnson got DQed for it.

      Kovalev was just plain out-toughed and out-fought. End of his aura indeed.

      Good mailbag altogeather and what I really like about this one was that Dre’s big win wasn’t over-shadowed by this Mayweather-McGregor thing.

      • Mauro Hermida

        Holyfield also dropped Ruiz from a body punch…hell, thought he KOd him and the ref called it a low blow. Fucker really sold it.

    • jimmy j

      Your comment makes sense, but not in this situation. Facts are: Kovalev got hit with three hard low blows, bent over, and Weeks waved it off. Worst stoppage ever. Fighters get hurt and fight on often.

      • Jorge

        If you think that’s the worst stoppage ever maybe you should watch Chavez v Taylor or like a thousand more fights.

      • Giuseppe

        two were legit, the last was low. to be fair, even on a few replays its not 100% clear. bad stoppage though. too early.

    • TMT LONDON-DA REAL OLA ODUSINA

      PREEEEAAAACHHH!!!

    • Your Overlord

      You guys act like you don’t watch boxing. It’s praise for Salido or B-Hop for being “vets” and knowing when to do sneaky illegal shit to give them an edge in a fight, (Even our hero Doug gives them props for this) or when a guy is fighting Mayweather and fouls him repeatedly or headbutts a guy like Broner you guys cheer but when your favorite fighter loses to a guy that has borderline tactics the sport has been ruined. I call BULLSHIT, you don’t like Ward then that’s your problem but it’s no different than you cheering for Maidana busting Floyd in the nuts or Salido fouling his way through most of his fights. You guys love Siri and think Maidana is a legend because he gave Floyd a tough fight. How about this dude Ward is better than those guys and because you troll so hard you hate him. Another thing is it’s funny to hear all of this racist crap about minorities, but you see a white guy on here calling Ward a “Mick” and a “Nigger” and no one even remotely cares not even the moderator. Boxing has always had a race based fan connection, am I wrong? Great White Hope, Mexican Assassin, Murderers Row, etc. Why is it such a big deal now? Please cut the shit Ward bested Kovalev no matter how you feel about it. He’s not the worst person on the planet because he kicked your overlord’s ass. I honestly have always believed Stevenson could beat Kova because most fighters that are feared big punchers get fucked up when they run into someone they can’t bully. That’s why he faded in both fights, Ward didn’t fold and he kept coming after dude sent out his best shots. Doesn’t matter who won the 1st 6 rounds or how many low blows were landed just like it does not matter that Kov was landing rabbit punches and putting Ward in the headlock. Both were fighting dirty and nasty with each other, if anybody can’t see that they are being impartial. I thought it was a very contentious fight with 2 guys that didn’t like each other and both would do whatever it took to win. You heard both say in the build up that if the other does something dirty they’re going to foul too. What did you expect? Like Doug said as good as they both are at their styles they just don’t mix for a good clean fight. Everytime these dudes fight I guarantee they’ll be headlocks, low blows, rabbit punches and God knows how many other fouls. This is ridiculous to keep seeing the stupidity posted about this fight. And for the record TTT, if your going to call someone a “Nigger” or “Mick” maybe you want to say it to their face so they can punch you in yours.

  • David Telfer

    It’s funny seeing so many people giving Ward a pass for his constant low blows whereas if it was the other way around there would be outrage. Max Kellerman is an embarrassment to the sport with his cheerleading, I mean seriously could he get any further up Ward’s ass?

    The yearning for Ward to be proclaimed as the P4P #1 is also embarrassing. If we look at his whole career then I’d say he’s definitely top 3/5 worthy, however he has done nothing apart from fight Kovalev in the last 5 years and even then, he lost the first fight.

    Duva was spot on in her post fight presser and the Ward cheerleaders in the crowd were a joke. BTW who was the Roc Nation dude with the white shirt/bow tie – what an idiot.

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      To those with a rational, unbiased mind, Ward has gone 1,1 in his only two bouts of real significance in the past 6 and a half years, and that digit in the win column has a big old asterisk next to it.
      PFP no.1 is indeed laughable.
      He’s only top 5 because the sport is so shallow at the top.

    • Park

      It’s nuts. He did nothing of note for 3 years, then fought Kovalev, and to most observers got a gift, and gets fast tracked up to no 1! Talk about an agenda. I know it’s important to the authorities and to the media stateside to have one of their guys on top of the tree as it helps to sell the sport to a more mainstream audience, but it’s just embarrassing.

  • RayK

    Disappointing end to the fight. Is possible to be pleased for Ward and the good work he did and fully acknowledge the low blows?

    • ceylon mooney

      i am. he was again getting outboxed but adjusted and won the fight. round 9 was corner
      stoppage.

    • Orca

      I give him props for his performance and getting the win but I do acknowledge the low blows. Ultimately though, I feel he was on his way to a win despite having Kov up by 2 points at the time of stoppage. Shame the win was marred by the untimely stoppage and low blows. The man had his hands full in that fight. Kov is no joke and made Ward work for that W.

    • Rick

      No way dude, it’s us vs them. You must choose a side. Or else!

      • RayK

        I’ve seen a man get hit in the groin a thousand times since Saturday night.

  • 90s swagger

    Andre Ward, Love him or hate him you’ve got to respect him.

    I never doubted ward’s physical toughness since he outmuscled that strong tough sob Carl froch, back in the super 6 days.

    I was very impressed with Ward on Saturday night, I had it even after six, but strongly fancied Ward at that point. I felt Kovalev was seriously gassing and Ward was the far fresher man, about to come into his territory.

    The low blows at the end, and Tony weeks incompetence at that point were very unfortunate. But Ward had already done the damage – Kovalev was already mentally and physically destroyed at that point. The so-called earlier low blows were on the belt line, it was a great win for Ward.

    I think It’s going to be very hard for Kovalev to rebound from such a high standing. maybe the most fearsome destroyer in boxing, to being clinically destroyed by a man he said hit like a girl.
    Time will tell.

    On a side note. Kathy Duva is one sour-faced miserable whining bitch.

    • David Telfer

      Clinically destroyed? Seriously?

      • 90s swagger

        Yes.
        Ward was very clinical and detached, he was working to a plan.
        He got the tactics spot on.

        • Mauro Hermida

          Yet losing on one judge and many fans scorecards. Not clinical to repeatedly foul a dude. Anyone can do that. If he actually had more talent, he wouldn’t have needed to do that.

    • Colin Mc Flurry.

      She really is.

      • DRE

        I always thought that Kovalev himself is one sour-faced whiny bitch.

        • Rick

          I’ve always thought you were a catfucker.

          • Triple T

            We all know he fucks cats.

        • Colin Mc Flurry.

          That’s a low blow.
          😂

    • DRE

      Fact: Just before the fight Kathy mentioned that she hoped that the “real winner wins this time”. And the real winner certainly did win it. No question now on who owned who’s sorry ass that night. Kov may have ripped Dre for being the “Son Of Judges’ but Dre sure made Kov call him Daddy when it was over. He made that Russian thug whine like a little bitch pissing down his legs. Not bad for a man who supposedly “hits like a girl.”

    • Kwame Johnson

      Yes…You have to respect a man who clinches excessively and obliterates his opponents’ testes…
      P4P #1

  • Jody Hanna

    WC’s Son of Golota post was the best for some time. Not a great night for referees, the main event and the Rigondeaux fights both ending in totally avoidable controversy…..Where’s Mills Lane when you need him?

    • Orca

      I was a big fan of Mills Lane. He is gretly missed in the ring. I am saddened that he hasn’t got to fully enjoy his retirement like he deserved.

      • Rick

        What happened to him after he retired?

        • Koninbeor

          He had a stroke in 2002.

          • Rick

            That’s terrible. Doesn’t seem like it’s been that long.

          • Koninbeor

            Yes, as Orca pointed out, it was a devastating stroke. I’d forgotten that he was alone for so long but it permanently crippled him. I was sad to hear the news. He was the coolest ref ever.

        • Orca

          He had a stroke and was alone for a day or two until found so it was quite bad. He has no real mobility.

          • Rick

            That’s sad. They don’t make em like him anymore that’s for sure.

    • Colin Mc Flurry.
      • Jody Hanna

        I think you’ll find he disqualified the villain……eventually

        • Colin Mc Flurry.

          Yeah, after he tried to ripoff the other ear.
          😂😂

  • Da True GOAT

    That hillbilly has not a single idea how to fight on the inside.
    SOG exposed his ass.

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      Kovalev is poor on the inside, but let’s not pretend Ward is James Toney. CLEAN, effective inside work is a joy to behold. Toney had that in spades. Ward has yet to prove it, and I doubt he ever will, so ingrained is his philosophy of tactical fouling.
      The Queensbury rules are there for a reason.

      • Orca

        Toney was sublime at inside fighting when he was on his game. Ward is very different and definitely not as much fun to watch. I respect Ward but would hate to see a new generation of fighters adopt that style. It’s a real turn off.

        • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

          I respect Ward’s confidence, mental toughness (superior to Kovalev’s) and focus. All three attributes are closely related in my opinion.
          His persistent illegal tactics have alienated me for years though and I resent that he keeps getting away with it. Part of the problem is that he is so damn good at it.

          • Orca

            Agreed. He is very good at it. He’s also got a way of looking like he’s in control and dictating a fight even when he’s losing.

          • Giuseppe

            he does. mayweather – a boxer i have never supported — has it too. i remember being so deflated during the pacquiao fight, it felt like mayweather won so clearly, but rewatching it, i felt it was close. but in the moment, on the night, mayweather oozed control. even if some of it was smoke and mirrors,

          • Orca

            I’ve heard a few people say that about the may pac fight. I just can’t bring myself to sit through that one again.

          • Giuseppe

            its not all that bad. i much preferred it to thurman v garcia.

          • philoe bedoe

            I agree totally.
            The MayPac fight was a lot closer than a lot of people say.
            Floyd and Ward have got great concentration during the heat of the battle…………

      • Giuseppe

        a toney v ward fight – a mythical matchup – would have been interesting,

    • Jody Hanna

      A Russian hillbilly? That’s gotta be a first.

      • D Johnson

        Confused me as well.

      • Koninbeor

        There was going to be a Russian Hillbillies sitcom but the Beverly Hillbillies beat it out during the screening process.

      • Da True GOAT

        He’s Russian??? I thought he’s from Arkansas, in the Ozarks.

  • Stephen M

    On Friday I said that I felt that Ward would win. I actually felt that Ward would win bY KO but thought I would look stupid if I said so… Geez, for once I would have been right.

  • Boomtown

    I don’t really see how ward can be P4P champ after winning the first fight to a hometown decision, and fouling his way to a TKO in the second.
    Although ward definitely has skills you can’t grab and foul your way to No.1 in the P4P sorry.
    Yes the Russian was tiring but I feel he has been very harshly treated, why was there no count? Is this now the case or just if it contributes to an American win on home soil.

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      No standing 8 count, that’s why. He should’ve taken a knee

    • Larry Connor

      Kov is mentally weak. The results will be the same every time him Ward fought. It will always be some type of excuse.

  • Jamil Salvo

    the superman will Knock this Ball hitter Out!

    • Da True GOAT

      That superman of yours doesn’t even have balls lolol.

    • FLOMATARD

      Canuck represent!

  • Don Badowski

    Pound for pound, Ward is absolutely the best ball cutter in the game, praise Jesus.

  • Larry Connor

    I love coming here just to read the comments of 80% of the people that normally dislike the same exact fighters over and over. It’s really hilarious. It’s like when I immediately change the channel to Fox News every time Trump does something major. I love to see how they spin it and see things only one way. Ha ha ha ha ha If I didn’t watch the fight and just used you guys opinions (80%) of the fight as well as the Mail bag’s I would have believed that AW was getting beat to death until he decides to take target practice on Kov’s nuts in order to save his career. I would have believed that kov never did anything rough or tuff through out the fight unless it was just in retaliation to AW being a constant ass hole in the ring. Well lucky for me I did watch the fight. ( I actually paid to watch it, not steal the fight like some of you guys do. Not judging. Just my choice) As I watched the fight it was like a continuation of the first fight. Kov landing serious connecting punishing jabs while looking to land his powerful right hand. Kov didn’t want AW inside which is his long arms which is understandable because that neutralize his jab which was banging Ward. How does Kov keep Ward from fighting on the inside?? Grappling, head locks, choking, short elbows, etc. you didn’t hear Ward cry. He just kept going to work. None of you guys saw that nor alnowkedge that. It would have made your low blow complaints more legitimate if you were willing to see infractions from both sides, but you didn’t.

    If you follow boxing enough you would have been able to see that their was a very distinct shift in the fight around round 4. Yea Kov was swinging away, but it seem like more it was because he could see the writing on the wall. He was being taken out in to deep waters again and this time he would drown. Kov punches didn’t have the same effect as they did in the first fight, but Ward’s punches were harder than it was in the first fight. It was all but over when Ward cracked Kov in the jaw with a punch Kov still claims he didn’t feel. I call bullshit on that, but hey, that’s you guys man. I’m quite sure you believes he didn’t feel it either.

    The end of the day Ward won TWICE. First time by decision and the second time by stoppage. The fight was marketed as no excuses, but yet we are here again bitching about Kov’s loss. He knew what he was getting himself into. You are on foreign soil, fighting an elite guy whom you loss to before while fighting under the same circumstances. Leave the excuses at home Joe. Spence just did the exact same thing you did. Left home and fought in a hostile environment. Fought an elite talent and won!!!! He did what you could not do and that’s keep it out of the judges hands!!!

    One more thing Kov, if you do not learn from this experience, your career will be over with mentally. You now have the reputation as a ” FRONT RUNNER”. Hard to beat early, but gas out in the middle rounds. What will you do to change that???? I still think you are an awesome fighter, just mentally weak when it comes to daring to be GREAT!!!!

    • Da True GOAT

      I was thinking the exact same thing! Oh soooo true!

      • Larry Connor

        I like Kov, I bekiev he’s an over all better fighter than ggg, but Kov has some mental work to do.

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      Preach!

    • Nixtradamus

      Great post!

    • Giuseppe

      is it just his bodily make up that he looks to have such little endurance? i read that his new trainer had him walking for hours instead of running. is that a good plan? doesn’t feel right to me. id just find out whatever mayweather, pacquaio etc do – and do that!

      • Larry Connor

        I believe Kov over thought the fight, especially the first fight. He can knowing the mystique of Ward and he over thought the fight which mentally wore him down. Once the head goes, the body will follow (exhaustion). Combine that with the controversial decision and the aftermath of the two camps disdain for one another; you have the making of a part two of mental exhaustion which transfer into physical exhaustion. The bottom line is the fact the Kov is mentally weak on the greatest of stages, but superior to most on any stage below that.

        Guys like Ward, PAC, Floyd, Loma,, etc do not mentally fold under the highest of elite pressure so their stamina appears to be God like im major fights. It’s not over training or extra cardio. It’s the mental aspect of it

        • Giuseppe

          i think you are spot on, man. Confidence is an energy source all of its own.

      • Rick

        Intravenous rehydration?

    • Orca

      The people here complaining about the low blows……I don’t really see them saying Ward was getting beat to death until he started fouling. Most seem quite realistic with how the fight was going. Oh, and Ward was complaining during the fight. Regardless, the better man won. Kov has some thinking to do. For the most part I have plenty of praise for Ward, he just let himself down a little with that rough house crap. He was on course to deliver a defining performance with absolutely no questions. That would have been nice.

      • Larry Connor

        So Kov did not let him ownself down a little with some rough stuff?? It wa only Ward participating in some little rough stuff??? See that’s the problem with some of you guys. Lacking the ability to see things from both sides. Who didn’t say that they didn’t see some form of borderline low blows? No one has said they have not saw any of that yet including the ward fans. Yet you Kov guys speak as if nothing foul ever existed from his end. There in lies the problem of why it’s hard to respect certain people’s opinions. The inability of calling bullshit when you see it from both sides, but yet instead see it one way it justify why the other one ( the one you favor) does not count as much. Smh

        • Orca

          Kov let himself down plenty but not so much from fouling. I’m pretty fair when I look at a fight even when I have a favorite. I don’t think the low blows altered the result of the fight, it just gave us a whole load of crap to deal with afterwards. Andre Ward is a dirty fighter. Is he the only one? Hell no. I liked your posts when I joined here Larry but you seem to think your opinion trumps all. If people don’t see shit the same as you then you blame it on bias or whatever. I’ve given Ward plenty of credit for his win. I could have done without the low blows. He was on his way to proven his dominance of Kov once and for all. He wasn’t going life and death and had to ‘do what he could’ to survive.

          • Larry Connor

            Some times the tone of our writing can be misconstrued. I do not feel that my opinion Trumps other’s opinions, but I do feel that at times I need to speak from the other perspective of things concerning fighters.

            As far as Ward being a dirty fighter we will agree to disagree. Most people from my perspective that are dirty fighters need those particular skill sets in order to stay in a fight. I do not feel that fits Ward MO.

            I may have smart comments, but only for certain people and I make sure I reply exactly to them so there will be no confusion. I can’t help people taking my convo directed at another person as if it’s directed towards them.

          • Orca

            Ok, Larry. That’s a fair enough reply. Agree to disagree is fine with me. It would be very boring around here if we all thought the same.

          • Larry Connor

            Lol true

          • The Imp

            And knowing about Larry is half the battle. If you haven’t noticed by now, Larry is the king of the demographic.

  • Jorge

    Low blows happen in the sport all the time, some of you guys act like you never saw Julio Cesar Chavez Sr in the ring and or countless other great fighters who worked the body. The outrage over them seem way over the top because of the bad stoppage. Kov was getting hurt by legit body shots so its difficult for a referee to determine when to give a fighter a standing 8 due to a low blow if that fighter might have been hurt by legit body shots. There wasn’t a lot of outrage from Kov when the stoppage happened. There were some low blows but also a lot of good body shots, and a lot of them on the borderline. Another thing, the whole subject of overtraining was just a promotional tool, as you can see Kovalev was wearing down again as the fight got in the latter stages. Ward won the fight on a bad stoppage which is unfortunate because he was going to win the fight without controversy.

    • David Telfer

      It’s not difficult to see three CLEAR low blows when the ref is standing less than 2 feet away.

      • Jorge

        Disagree you have the luxury of tv it’s not that easy being a referee.

        • David Telfer

          He’s paid good money to officiate properly. He was standing in a great position so he should clearly see the low blows. No need to make excuses for his poor performance.

          • Jorge

            He did have a bad performance but he is also human and can make mistakes

  • Already956

    MM Andre Ward Special

    Ward vs Hearns @ 168/175

    Ward vs Hopkins @ 168/175

    Ward vs Calzaghe @ 168/175

    Ward vs RJJ @ 168/175

    Ward vs Dawson @ 175

    PS: does ward now have a better resume than floyd and Manny ?

    • Jorge

      Deez Nuts

    • Giuseppe

      Ward, Ward, Calzaghe, RJJ, Ward.

    • Ain’t no dinos in Holy books

      Hearns via piston jab, who cares v Hopkins – horrible fight, Calzaghe by hard fought decision, RJ in any manner he felt motivated, Ward via competitive decision taking the talented Dawson out of his stride just enough with fine tuned tactical fouling.

      Ward’s resume is nowhere near Floyd or Manny’s.

    • David Telfer

      A better resume than Floyd and Manny…hahahaha come on man!

    • philoe bedoe

      Hearns
      Ward
      Ward
      RJJ
      Ward…………

    • Triple T

      1. Hearns was explosive but was at his best at 147-160. Plus he didn’t take it all that well downstairs. Dre ball-breaks his way to a late TKO.
      2. Dre out-grabs and out-butts Hopkins in an ugly-ass fight.
      3. Calzaghe never tires and just kept punching away. Joe by decision.
      4. RJJ by UD. Guy was too fast even for Toney.
      5. Ward still would have beaten Dawson. Bad Chad was an ultra-talented guy but just couldn’t get his shit togeather.

    • Captain Napalm

      1. Dre chops Hearns down like a tree.
      2. This one ends with Dre’s fist’s buried in B-Hop’s balls.
      3. Ward mugs Calzaghe in close quarters and gets a UD
      4. Definitely Roy Jones. Nuff said.
      5. Dawson still gets his ass kicked.

      PS. Ward still not on a par with Pacman but I’ll still rank him above Floyd because Floyd is the bigger ass-hole.

    • DRE

      I loved Hearns. He was one of my favourites to watch. But if Iran Barkley was too strong for him then so will Ward. Andre by mid to late round TKO

      Hopkins vs a much better version of himself. Dre by UD

      Calzaghe had to really work hard to beat Hopkins and again Dre is better then Hopkins ever was. Dre takes it to the trenches, shuts down Joe’s workrate and beats him up on the inside. Dre by UD.

      If Roy was too fast for even James Toney he’ll be too fast for Dre. Roy dazzles his way to a UD

      Dawson might have lasted the distance if the fight was at 175 but Dre still beats him up and down.

      I wouldn’t place Ward up there with Floyd and Manny. Well not yet anyways. Now if he can capitalise on his big win and keeping proving himself the man at 175 then I’ll reconsider. Anyways I’ll get back to you on this. And speaking of which, welcome back.

  • Nixtradamus

    If anyone was hurt by the stoppage, it would be Ward, who should have been given the chance to punch Kovalev out of the ring when the Russian was doubled over on the ropes.

    Truth is Kovalev’s trunks where higher than normal, so regular body shots looked like ‘borderline’ low blows. That’s the reason Tony Weeks did not penalize Ward. Not to mention that Kovalev committed a lot of fouls with rabbit punches to Ward’s head.

    So, last time it was the judges, this time it was the referee. Third time would be the bell guy. Fact is, Ward is the better fighter and the more they fight, the more obvious it will be that Kovalev just lacks the tools (including stamina) to beat Ward. Each new fight would be an easier Ward win.

    • David Telfer

      Are you denying that Kovalev won the first fight?

      • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

        he lost, unfairly, but he lost

  • Stan Ables

    Ward is a dirty fighter that gets away with violating every rule in the book. Weeks must be on the take to allow Ward a cheap and shallow victory when by all rules of the sport Ward should have been penalized and Kovalev should have been given the required full 5 minutes to recover. Ward still can not claim he has beaten Kovalev fairly and clearly within the ring without the aid of corrupt biased American judges and the totally unethical piss poor performance of referee Tony Weeks.

    • Jorge

      They could have given Kovalev 5 minutes he still wasn’t going to get his conditioning up to par and further body shots were going to hurt Kovalev. Its just too many excuses and conspiracy theories. Great fighters find a way to win a fight.

      • Left Hook

        that’s easy to say, but how bad did Joshua look vs klit in rounds 6-8? The fact is he was not given the chance to recover that he should have been given.

        • Jorge

          Kovalev always has that conditioning problem and fades late. Those body punches that were landing were doing the work. I agree it was a bad stoppage but Kovalev was on his way to losing, if youre getting hurt by Andre Ward you aren’t having a good night.

          • Left Hook

            I’m just giving an example of how you cannot jump to a conclusion that the fight was over. Joshua looked extremely gassed and came back. That is just a recent example. I agree that it looked like it was headed that way, but stranger things have happened….

          • Jorge

            I know man. . but those are different fighters. I was just going by Kovalev’s body language and history after 6 rds.

          • Left Hook

            See Jorge Castro’s body language against John David Jackson.

          • Jorge

            I can counter and give you 100 examples of fights that it was a good thing the ref stopped it before it was too late. It was a bad stoppage but too much is being put on the low blows when in reality Ward had landed great body shots and clean to the head.

          • Left Hook

            When you get hit low your hands drop. It’s a foul (multiple fouls) that put Kovalev in a compromised position. I don’t think that their impact can be minimized. It put ward in a great position, because his earlier low blows (that went unpenalized) had caused kovalev to drop his hands to protect his groin, opening up his chin. Nut shots that are unpenalized are even more effective than punches to the liver. Great strategy if you can use it, and weeks, ‘dropped the balls’, so to speak. If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying, and ward gets all the credit for doing what was necessary. Aside from that, I thought that even though an honest scorecard had him behind, he was starting to win the war.

          • Rick

            History? He slowed down in the second half of the first fight but still clearly won in my opinion. Most of his fights prior that never went that far. I don’t think 1 fight equals a history.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            kovalev was on the receiving end for a good 40 seconds before the stoppage, it was a matter of seconds, not rounds

          • Left Hook

            IF ward doesn’t hit him low, perhaps. However, he DID hit him low, repeatedly, which should have forced to give kovalev a break and up to 5 minutes to recover. If ward was headhunting, we might have had a clean kayo, or kovalev might have had a chance to lunge in and hold for the remainder of the round. major screw up by weeks. My argument is for “right”, not for “ward” or “kovalev”

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            he hit him across the face, a good 15 times to the body, maybe 2 times on the belt line, then kovy illegally folded in half and got hit a little lower, but nowhere near the balls man let’s stop the nonsense

          • IanF69

            How ever HE DID hit him low…???
            I’ll quote you from last night Lefty……..

            I have looked at the reply and I don’t think it was low….Your words

            You seem to change your mind to suit who you are talking too…..Shame.

          • Left Hook

            There is another left hook, lower case. I don’t have time to review all of the articles but that sounds like him, not me. I saw low blows. Multiple. I also saw Ward getting stronger and Kovalev fading.

          • IanF69

            Bullshit…does he use the same avatar as you……full of shit boy

          • Left Hook

            which article? I’ll be glad to correct myself on that article if left out a word. I don’t want to mislead impressionable souls…

          • IanF69

            No Mate……again I’m sorry.. his avatar is different from yours….I was too quick to jump the gun…..I,ve removed the above posts and removed the bullit from my dumb ass.

          • Left Hook

            I’ll do the same. In all fairness, he had the username first and I’ve been too lazy to update. Might be a good time to do that. No problem sir.

          • IanF69

            He aint got half the class you have. Cheers.

          • Left Hook2

            Thanks. I’ll try to stay that way!

          • left hook

            Lol

          • IanF69

            Yea low blow by me….I gave that guy jip cause I thought it was you changing every thing you had said to me …..then realised it wasn’t him and had to grovel….and never drink and comment….feel free to have a good dig at me….deserved.

          • left hook

            Lol..i don’t get offended that easy and nobody is above mistakes. So no my friend am not going to have dig at u. Have a lovely day.

          • IanF69

            Respect…….you do have class…again my bad.

          • Left Hook

            Is this the post you read? I think you read it to quickly and missed the part where I stated the punches were low. Mistakes happen.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e83072c00c49e70f9cfa4ececb69530cc5a2b4a4be1d1b80029b79ebb22f91ac.jpg

          • Mauro Hermida

            You need to ski mask your clones.

          • Stephen M

            And fights often have a back and forth where one fighter looks finished and the other guy looks finished. Having said that I’m fairly confident that Ward was getting stronger and Kovalev was fading.

          • Colin Mc Flurry.

            Well said.

        • D Johnson

          Good point.

      • The Imp

        If you can speculate that the low blows didn’t do that much damage to alter the fight, how can you speculate that kovalev was done?

        • Jorge

          If you’re getting hurt by Andre Ward you are pretty much done.

  • Sweet Nothing

    It was heart breaking to see Kovalev lose a 2nd time, I also had him up by 1 round. I don’t think the low blows were as much of a factor as the right cross that stunned Kovalev in the final round of the fight. Alot of blows were on the belt line and I give props to Ward for handling his win with class and respect towards Kovalev. I wish them both the best in their next fights.

    • Jorge

      An honest observation

      • Stephen M

        I have trouble evaluating the shots people are putting up. Pain to the nuts or not?

  • Left Hook

    Tony weeks screwed up royally. I guess he had to bail out the 2 incompetent judges who somehow had ward up 4-3 in rounds through round 7. What were they watching? Kovalev was going to get screwed one way or another. With that being said, I think that Krusher truly was fading. Ward saw it, and in an act outside of his comfort zone, went on the offensive and forced weeks into something for which he was not prepared…a kayo in a ward (or mayweather) bout. It was a ‘what the h*ll’ moment for which he had not trained, and he choked. Kudos to Ward for turning on the heat. His strategy was different too. It was not left hook lunge and hold, it was a lot of movement to the right, dipping his head similar to Toney to avoid Kovalev’s right hand. That was huge, as kovalev is not a left-hook artist. Boos and hisses to weeks, moretti and Feldman for pathetic scorecards, and roy and max ignoring kovalev’s presence in the ring. And for ignoring the incredibly low blows landed. I guess for them, Venezuala would be borderline to the US?
    Kovalev–u gotta learn to fight fire with fire. He found out how to negate ward’s lunge-and-clinch strategy, but I cannot fathom that this guy with a reputation for being full of piss and vinegar didn’t respond with something dirty to make a statement.

    • Orca

      Great post.

  • FLOMATARD
    • Jorge

      It happens sometimes when you are targeting the body…

      • Orca

        Yeah but that was no mistake. I mean, Kovalevs head is there for the taking, why hit low? Result would have been the same but if he’d just kept them up, this talkback would be reading very different.

        • Jorge

          Because body shots are what really hurt a fighter who doesn’t have great conditioning.

          • Orca

            Yeah, of course, but that was quite flagrant against a guy ready to be ko’d. There just wasn’t any need.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Kovalev was in an illegal position all bent over at the waist like that to be perfectly honest

          • Angel

            Not illegal, just stupid.

          • Rick

            I believe it depends on where the head is, you can bend at the waist but not drop your head below the waistline.

          • Jorge

            I don’t think Ward saw that as being the end of the fight, he was throwing combinations aimed at the body to wear down his opponent. It happens a lot when fighters do that it was just a bad stoppage.

      • Left Hook

        And sometimes refs do their job and break the action to either warn or penalize the fighter. Luckily we didn’t have to worry about that happening on Saturday night..

        • Jorge

          Yeah maybe the ref had a bad night and so did Kovalev. It happens. If we were to warn fighters for low blows landed on the borderline and penalize fighters every time, Chavez Sr would have never had a career. Fighters where their trunks high.

          • TNT

            That is a stretch. Chavez Gonzalez rarely landed low blows. And rarely did the result of any of his matches (high profile or mandatory defense) come by way of controversial low blow. Duran is another story. haha.

      • FLOMATARD

        Or intentionally

        • Jorge

          I’m sure Danny Garcia wasn’t aiming at Khan’s neck when he threw that left hook

          • FLOMATARD

            Yeah he is looking for semi legal low blow

          • Jorge

            It’s boxing not tennis… Kovalev wasn’t complaining when it was stopped

          • Rick

            You’re allowed to punch in the neck though.

          • Jorge

            and on the beltine

          • The Imp

            You keep saying this, but by now you know damn good n well it wasn’t on the beltline.

          • left hook

            It was

      • philoe bedoe

        And when your desperate………..

    • Orca

      Ouch.

      • Left Hook

        take that, pecker!

    • Stephen M

      Just to add a little info. This is weeks saying “here is good, anything below is low” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48955b05f05b02cd6319df1afafe0ac501520dc38fa7ca4f4b8f15c3e8baeba4.jpg

      Here is Sergey standing. That punch hit him on the “b” in Hublot. I actually tested bending over with a tape on my shorts representing the “B”. When I bent over the way Sergey is in the gif, the tape lowered.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f0c51b2cdd2d0f8b1ce391a1707d8a9e20e1602eba98ba9fcb5885e01456278.jpg

      • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

        yup

      • Strummer

        Quality, and where was the tape when you bent over? My son shot me in the balls with a Nerf gun the other day and even though it only really brushed one ball I couldn’t stay upright and had to bend at the waist trying to tough it out making out I wasn’t hurt LOL! You don’t have to be hit square in the balls for it to hurt and even being brushed by a swinging fist would be excruciating. Does anyone know why the pain goes straight to the stomach?

  • Arjay Cee

    After this exciting finish, I can’t call him Yawndre any more.

    And so, the S.O.G. — Son of Gonads — is born.

    I thought Doug’s analysis was pretty even-handed. Yes, Kovalev was starting to look spent and come mentally undone. Was it the preceding low blows? Was it the single good right to the head, which we’re supposed to believe was such a game changer? Or was the Russian just not able to go the full cup-rattling distance?

    We’ll never know, thanks to the assist from chief prostate examiner Tony Weeks. The fight can be summed up in a single image: the S.O.G.’s glove buried to the hilt in the Russian’s groin while Weeks steps in to pull it out and raise his arm.

    How do you like dem sore nuts, Comrade Racistovich? Tell Putin we’ve got more where those came from!

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      It was the body shots and him throwing way more than he’s used too. He wasn’t just gassed, he was beat

      • Left Hook

        body shots to the nuts will put you down every time….

        • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

          belly button, not balls.
          And right hands on the chin and left hooks to the liverand solar plexus, and rights to the spleen..

          • Left Hook

            See the GIF below. Balls.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            hey that’s what happens when you bend over like that

          • Left Hook

            or when someone throws punches at your balls.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            *navel

          • Left Hook

            If that is where your navel is, perhaps you should report it to Ripleys…

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            Hahaha
            That last one was lower than the others, but kov was already out on his feet and bending illegally at the waist. And was crying like a bitch over shots at the belly button/navel

          • FLOMATARD

            Crack me up lol

  • Juan Manuel Valverde

    I thought all three punches were clearly low. To me it doesn’t matter if you have a guy hurt, it you end up fouling him next you need to get penalized. On the other hand Kovalev was getting hit to the body hard and it showed, just like the first fight (no overtraining excuses please).

  • Orca

    I don’t think I’ve ever read the words ‘belly button’ so much in one day. Just saying.

    • Left Hook

      Do you prefer navel? We can make it happen!

      • Orca

        Ha, God no. I have a dislike for the word ‘navel’. Have we established whether Kov has an outie or innie? It could be important.

        • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

          If it was outie, now’s innie

          • Orca

            Ha, ha, ha. Touché.

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      I typed that at least 35 times today

  • Ewan Leaper

    Genuinely funny post about Kovalev’s balls at the end there! 😆

    Not an ideal end to the fight but to put it into perspective there are many of boxing’s “white knights” that were equally adept at dirty tricks. Ali, Holyfield and Marciano are hugely popular guys who got up to just as naughty tricks as Ward. Hopkins, Greb and Saddler maybe weren’t as well loved but their repertoire of dirty tricks played a big part in their success (greatness even). Did the referee fail in his job? Yes. Is Ward accountable for that? No. Kovalev lost heart, a great fighter would have reciprocated in mind.

    This won’t hurt Ward in the long run either, history will remember him just the same as it does Duran after he punched Ken Buchanan in the nuts- the victor.

  • FLOMATARD

    In fairness, Vic Drakulich made an effort to review the tapes. Tony Weeks? “Crickets”

    • Left Hook

      And Drakulich hilariously screwed that up. And later they say he viewed it without the sound? Let me get this straight..he was moving in to warn Rigo for holding and hitting (in a huge way), and then Rigo kayos the guy right after the foul. Shouldn’t the foul supersede the kayo, as it can be construed as the reason the kayo occurred? Similarly, if Weeks had been stepping into to warn ward for the nut shots, and ward landed a kayo shot to the head, wouldn’t it have been fair to say that without the foul the kayo doesn’t occur? I’m not as upset about Rigo’s punch after the bell (Flores was throwing too) as about the holding and hitting that transpired.

      • FLOMATARD

        hahaha the whole event is just too bizarre.

      • D Johnson

        I agree. Vic was gonna take a point away for holding and hitting, then came the ko.

      • FLOMATARD

        meh

      • Dee Money

        I think the difference in your comparison is that in example A (ko punch landed after the bell) the KO punch is an illegal punch; whereas in B (KO punch landed after an illegal shot) the KO punch is technically clean.

        Now you argue that since the KO punch came after an illegal punch it can be argued that “without the foul the KO doesn’t occur”, unfortunately then that logic can be carried throughout the fight. Maybe an illegal low blow in the 2nd weakens a fighter so that much later in the fight he is depleted and then KO’d.

        If a fighter is doing something illegal he should be reprimanded (warned, point deduction, disqualified). But if the official allows it, and a legal KO punch follows, you cannot overturn a KO from a legal punch.

        • Left Hook

          Dude…that’s carrying the argument way too far. If I hit you in the balls, and follow that with a headshot, I fouled you. I don’t think it should be a game of “can I get the headshot in right after the other headshot, just before the ref steps in”. As for overturning…Boxing proves ANYTHING is possible. Rock Newman can pull Ricckick Bowe’s opponent over the top ring rope (Elijah Tillery), and his fighter can carry on. A referee can stop a fight to give the hometown guy a breather after being knocked down and held up by his own cornerman (Coggi-Eder Gonzalez). 3 blind mice can score a belt for El Grand Campeon over Whitaker. So…Weeks could have ruled the foul egregious enough to DQ ward on the spot. 3 punches to the groin in a row? Really? The foul should be the stopping point, and if the ref is not quick enough to step in and stop the action and something big occurs, it should be NC or DQ

          • Dee Money

            “Weeks could have ruled the foul egregious enough to DQ ward on the spot…”
            Thats what I am writing could and should happen; but clearly he did not view it as egregious enough to have warranted anything.

    • Rick

      Wasn’t Dracula the ref in the Mares vs Agbeko fiasco or was it Russell Mora? Just thinking about that fight makes my balls hurt.

      • FLOMATARD

        Russel Mora sucks

  • Colin Mc Flurry.

    I’m with Dougie, let the Ward and Kovalev fanboys continue their pissing contest…

    I’m looking forward not backwards..

  • TMT LONDON-DA REAL OLA ODUSINA

    I stopped reading when Doug admitted he was wrong. You were always wrong Doug. You just didn’t know it till now.

    P.S oh he’ll nooooo! I don’t wanna hear this BS that if ward beats this guy or that guy next then he’s one of the greats.

    Hebis already great!

    • FLOMATARD

      “You were always wrong Doug”

      WOW

    • Rick

      Durrrrrr

  • Dooooougie, I don’t like it when some of my fellow commenters accuse u of being racially biased in ur work, and I’m kiiiinda pissed, that u would do this to Weeks! That Man is a professional and elite in his profession, just like u Brah! TO ME, u might wanna clean that up…..he didn’t deserve that. I don’t wanna get on ur “bad” side, and I’m not looking to get “banned”! Mailbags 4 Ever/PBC 4 Life!

  • Giuseppe
    • Left Hook

      A better response by Bob or Tony would have been : “Don’t confuse me with the facts…I already have my mind made up.” It’s okay to protect your ref when he is right, but when he is wrong and you have the video evidence, don’t spout lies…..

      • Giuseppe

        i think even the video is subjective. these dick shots will be the zepruda film of boxing. the magic glove theory etc…

        • Stephen M

          It’s Zapruder ( I know, who cares ?). As Steve Kim points out, this fight will be debated forever. There is no way to tell if Sergey felt the debilitating pain of a, or many, low blows.

  • Orca

    Did anyone else catch Al Bernstein conversing with a fake Tony Weeks on Twitter? Fake Weeks admitted that he was wrong and Al told him, hey we all make mistakes, you are a great referee. Was pretty funny.

  • FLOMATARD
    • Jorge

      Ha Fake account.

      • FLOMATARD

        Can you do me afavor please? Twitter is blocked here in my area. Gracias amigo

        • Orca

          Yeah it’s fake. Bernstein mentioned it on his twitter after falling for it.

      • FLOMATARD

        Have you checked it? Sorry I aint IT professional

    • Rick

      Haha

  • Giuseppe

    i just want to point out, the bible doesn’t explicitly say not to dick punch.

  • philoe bedoe

    Some good points on another excellent mailbag.
    Such a shame a good matchup was ruined by bad refereeing.
    It’s not the first time Week’s showed blatant home favouritism, he let Klitchko get away with most blatant head butt you’ll see against Tyson Fury………….

    • Rick

      It is rather ridiculous that they can’t use more neutral judges/refs in these high profile fights. Vegas is probably the worst offender. Even if there is nothing shady going on it’s a bad look.

  • Emeka Nnaji Jr.

    In reviewing the fight some of the shots were definitely border line, but I want to know why Kovalev was holding protecting his stomach at the end of the fight. If you’re consistently getting hit in the sack wouldn’t you protect your sack then???

    • TNT

      In reviewing the fight, Ward landed a few low blows; most prominently those that altered the course of the fight. He also landed solid body shots.

  • TNT

    Boxing folklore is replete with adages. One comes to mind: protect yourself at all times. Kovalev looked more novice than professional in the bout’s most pivotal moments. Ward looked brilliant. In the end, the soft-spoken, relatively light-hitting fighter stopped the fearsome, hard hitting foe who once killed in a man. Old school trainers often talk about the old timers who when hit low with respond in kind. They didn’t wait on the referee. In the end, there was one victor; his name is Andre Ward.

  • Abraham E. Hernández

    I can’t recall the last time a mailbag had only one subject. Not a mention of my boy Rigo.

    • Mauro Hermida

      Rigo doesn’t get mentioned in his own household.

  • Seth Class

    Da fight was stop bcuz of low blows da Kov was in pain and ref called it a tko unbelievable, Ward truely is da son of judges 😂

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      go back to watching mma

  • Darren James Smith

    It would be amusing if Stevenson ended up on top of the LW pile after
    all of the criticism he faced. He could definitely land a big one on Ward, and I hear
    he has nuts stronger than Ivan Drago

    • Dee Money

      He definitely has the ability to do it (though I would still favor Ward 75/25). I don’t think much of the criticism has been directed at his ability as a fighter, rather at his constantly fighting on his home turf and his resume.

      I think Lincoln Nebraska is pretty close to midway between Montreal and the Bay Area, maybe Bud Crawford could offer to host the fight.

  • Chris the trite

    The equilibrium of the fight was changing fast and Ward did impress me. Sucks that the last 10 seconds of it undermined the whole affair

  • Autosmell

    Kovs ballbag

    1. Ha ha ha ha ha!
    2. Juan Coggi cheat Frankie Randall from his belt. Luis Santana cheat Terry Norris from his belt not ones but two times! Vic Dracula had enuff of that shit he put his foot down. PROPS
    3. LOL you sheeps cryin bout lowblows! What was Ward posed to do? What would you do if your ponent wear his trucks up to his man tits?
    4. The last three punchs Ward threw each had meaning. #1 eraced the contra thirsty from the 1st fight. #2 was for Kov sayin races shit. The last one was in the balls.

  • AD

    The Point is Tony Weeks F*cked up the fight. PERIOD. Who knows what would’ve happened. Its all specualtion. when you have two GREAT fighters in the ring anything can happen!

  • Pobreng Alindanaw

    I used to like ward because he use to fought smart and clean…after moving to a higher weight division…he become a smart dirty fighter…lots of hugging and wrestling…headbutts and now lowblows!

  • Jay

    I found it supremely satisfying to watch Sergey scramble around in survival mode. He kept bending over and turning around. His body language was that of a quitter. His body language was saying No Mas!!! Ward made him quit!!!

  • Ewan Leaper

    Vasyl Lomachenko has granite balls, Kovalev a glass nutsack. Rarely discussed qualities in a boxer…

    • D Johnson

      Astute observation!

      • Ewan Leaper

        One of Dougie’s Top 5’s, Leatheriest Ballsack

        • D Johnson

          I got Holyfield on that list!

  • Captain Napalm

    One Massive Mental Ward Brawlbag:
    1. Dre makes like a roided up Orlando Salido and ball-shotted his way to victory. And guys I’m not going to pussy-foot my way around this. Ward is a fucking ass-hole but even without the ball-crushers he probably would have won it. Especially after smashing home that right-hook to the noggin. Shit I thought that pounding out the Mega-Krusher was a high expectation for someone who couldn’t knock out Alexander Bland. But Dre actually cranked up the juice when it was most needed.
    2. Kov , you let me down man. You should have known that there was no way the ref was going to hold your hand and sit Ward down with his nose stuck in the corner. He probably wouldn’t have had the balls to do even that (Yeah! Pun intended) It was a fight damn it. You were already punching Dre in the back of the head so why stop there. Should have just slammed your big head into the middle of Ward’s kisser and crack him on the side of the head with the ring-chair.
    3. Hey now that Kov lost 2 in a row maybe we’ll get Kovalev-Stevenson yet. Or does Kov need to get knocked out in a single round before he can vent his frustrations on “Piece Of Shit” Stevenson.
    4. Rigo came back to the ring. No one noticed including those in attendance.
    5. Regarding the oh so brilliant Floydie vs McGregor “bout” coming up. Watching Butterbean take a dump on PPV will probably be easier on the stomach.

    • Triple T

      One Andre Mental Retard Punch-Bag.
      1. I hope Salido isn’t reading this. Being compared to Andre Ward. NOW that’s a LOW BLOW!
      2. Ward had one hand buried in Kov’s crotch while the other hand was buried up the ref’s ass.
      3. Stevenson would sooner fight Kovalev’s wife.
      4. Who’s Rigo again?
      5. No what’s really hard on the stomach? Having a cunt like Ward on top of both the light-heavyweight division and the P4P rankings. Someone get me a barf-bag.

      • DRE

        What’s most sickening of all is your stupid postings.

    • DRE

      I still don’t know what classifies Ward as an ass-hole. Enough of this shit already. But I agree with everything else you pointed out.

      • left hook

        It’s just pure hate.

  • TNT

    Yo Dougie, How come Max Kellerman sounds so much like Max Kellerman in the movie Balboa? He wasn’t acting the role of some star struck sycophant; he really is one.

  • mikescapes

    I accept Dougie’s distinction between blatantly low, borderline, and nut shot. Taking Weeks, race and partisanship, and belt line out of it for the moment, Ward was getting to Kov’s body often. You don’t do this if it wasn’t part of the game plan. Ward studied Kov better than vice versa. It seemed to me that Kovalov wasn’t properly prepared (defended) for a body attack. Maybe he isn’t used to it being such a long armed, big puncher. Or, he doesn’t take it to the body all that well ie., he didn’t do enough sit-ups. Hard to see in real time, but my impression was that Ward was punching, left hooking mostly, to the mid-section, not the sides of the body. And no liver shots that I saw. Ward found a soft spot that Kovalov couldn’t deal with.

  • AD

    Kovalev future – Beat a contender at end of year – 2018 – Beat a top contender then request a WARD rematch if Ward is still on top

    Ward should face Adonis Stevenson Next and then whoever is viable opponent in 2018 before facing Kovalev again!

    Wouldn’t mind seeing Kov vs Stevenson also

    • Koninbeor

      Dr. Dre would have an easier time getting a title shot with Stevenson than Andre Ward.

  • Kudos

    Erik Morales was right about Weeks being racially biased.

  • Jim Parkinson

    Sergey “Son of Ward” Kovalev.

    • FLOMATARD

      Jimmy “Son of a bitch” Parkinson

      • philoe bedoe

        Lol………

      • Jim Parkinson

        LOL. You’re salty. You were probably doubled over crying like Kovalev was on Saturday.

        • Triple T

          Grabbing and punching low are the only ways Ward knows how to win. He’s a disgraceful piece of shit. And so are you. Fuck off already.

          • Jim Parkinson

            Hahahahahaha!! Todd The Sperm Eater strikes again. I applaud your willingness to continually make a fool of yourself.

            And if “grabbing and punching low” are the only ways Ward knows how to win, what does that say about Kovalev, who knows exactly ZERO ways to win against Ward, just as you know zero ways to win at life?

          • Triple T

            Oh trust me ass-hole I’m always happy to strike at you over and over again. Take away Ward’s constant fouls and all we get is another useless ass-hole with a freakishly high opinion of himself. Like you. And the only total zero I see around here is you. Moron.

          • Jim Parkinson

            Newsflash, Todd the Lubricator, “asshole” isn’t hyphenated. I’m sure you’ve been called that enough times to know that. And speaking of zero, you know what else is at zero? Your boxing knowledge. So I’m glad you return to “strike at” me over and over. Keep doing it and you may actually learn something about the sport. Start with this: Andre Ward owns Sergey Kovalev.

          • Triple T

            Yeah I guess you’re the expert when it comes to ass-holes. You constantly have your head up other guys’ ass-holes. Especially Ward’s. And Trump’s. And Floyd’s. Among others. Plus your the biggest ass-hole around. So your hero Dre gets a his ass kicked the first time around so he needs cheap-shots to win the second time around and that to you is “owning” someone. Further proves how stupid you are.

          • Jim Parkinson

            *You’re.

          • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

            chill bruh, a guy got beat, nothing to do with you

          • left hook

            Lol

        • FLOMATARD

          lmao I aint salty Mr dickhead extraordinaire. I predicted Ward to win. Just missed Ward’s semi intentional headbutts, but I got 100% low blows.

          • Jim Parkinson

            WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

          • FLOMATARD

            This is sparta!!!

      • The Imp

        That is hilarious….”son of bitch”…..I’m still giggling like a middle school girl.

        • FLOMATARD

          Jimmy P loves it!

  • Dee Money

    Well hopefully this will lead to a positive change and the sanctioning bodies will begin to mandate uniform height of the boxing trunks- must be below the belly button. I know more than any other sport the inmates really run the asylum in boxing, and fighters will be leary about giving up anything that they perceive could be an advantage (even though their opponent can do it too).
    But if all fighters were mandated to keep their trunks below their navel then there would be less ambiguity about what’s clean and whats borderline.

    • Left Hook

      I don’t think it is really that difficult to tell. No matter how ‘tall’ the waistline is on the trunks, the bottom of the waistline is well below the navel. That is just where trunks ‘hang’

  • Stash One

    Like him or hate him Ward hasn’t won either fight convincingly or without controversy & that’s just a fact.

  • Jim Parkinson

    Ward broke Kovalev like Trump broke Kathy Griffin. And Sergey responded just as well.

    • Triple T

      Just keep sticking your head up Ward’s ass. Afterall all you tedious twats must all stick together.

      • Stephen M

        Tedious twat, kinda like that, but it is Double T…

      • Jim Parkinson

        LOL. Whatever you say, Todd The Boy Penetrator. Us winners will stick together. Just as the losers and racists like you and Kovalev can stay in your little cry circle.

        • Triple T

          You call yourself a “winner’ Hah! So not only are you hopelessly stupid but you’re also so delusional. Keep lining the rim up Dre’s overrated ass. That is when you’re not sleeping with your other idol Donald Trump or hanging around some little boys’ school like the sick faggot you are.

          • Jim Parkinson

            HAHAHAHA! Trump and Ward are winners. Kovalev and you are losers. The difference is, Sergey has had success and can achieve it again, whereas you’ve never had it and never will.

            In fairness, Saturday must’ve been terribly rough for you. First, your #3 man-crush (behind GGG and Doug Fischer, of course) got his ass beat and knocked out. Next, Dougie refused to accept Kovalev’s excuses and gave Ward full credit, which had to break your little heart. Lastly, I’m sure you sent Doug a 10,000-word screed whining about the fight, and you DIDN’T make the Mailbag. Ouch. Three soul-crushing defeats in one day – just change your name to Triple L.

          • Triple T

            Sorry dickhead but I haven’t wrote to the bag in months. And if I did you’ll whining again about my e-mails while ignoring everything else like the stupid bitch that you are. And once again Dre had to resort to cheapshots to win because he’s too much of a suckass to actually win any other way. You’re too much of a retard to see that. By the way Ward punked from GGG more than once because he’s a wimp. Just like you.

          • Jim Parkinson

            Triple L.

  • Ted Mendez

    I’m surprised you were picking Kovalev, Doug. Andre knew how to handle this dude and got into him faster than in the first fight. Roy Jones, Jr. was all over it and was predicting a hard shot from Andre and BOOM, it happened. And then Sergey, who’d never been seriously hurt before, started looking for a way out. There is no controversy. The better man won. Congrats to Andre. Fantastic win for him.

    • Koninbeor

      The only controversy was that there were uncalled fouls and a terrible stoppage. Regardless, Ward won that fight before he stepped into the ring. Kovalev needed to catch him with something early and didn’t. Missed opportunity.

      • Ted Mendez

        Whiner…get over it. Your man got clipped.

        • Koninbeor

          Whiner? Are you serious? I won $20 off that fight. I said after the first fight that a rematch was pointless because Ward figured him out.

          All I’m saying is that there were fouls that weren’t called and that the stoppage was bad. Ward didn’t need fouls or a crap stoppage to win that fight. He could fight Kovalev a thousand times and only lose once because of getting clipped by a good shot. Ward has Kovalev’s number, plan and simple. There isn’t a man below Heavyweight who can whip him.

          Edit: I also had you upvoted so I’m not sure why you considered my comment to be whining. *shrugs*

          • Ted Mendez

            I guess I misinterpreted your comment. Sorry about that.

          • Koninbeor

            No worries, it happens; especially with as much whining that actually does take place. Ward isn’t P4P #1 to me. That isn’t a knock on Ward at all, it’s just that Crawford, Lomachenko, and Chocolatito are that impressive.

            As a note, GGG is my favorite fighter in the game right now. Ward beats him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

            Edit: I can see how you would think I might by crying foul by my wording, also. When I say that Ward won the fight before he stepped into the ring, I don’t mean because he’s the Son of Judges or any of that other stuff. Ward not only had Kovalev’s number but he also got into Krusher’s head. He flat out beat Kovalev before their shoes ever hit the canvas. What we witnessed was simply the inevitable, impending doom of an elite, yet still outclassed fighter.

  • Danny Mifflin

    Really glad i didn’t watch after reading lots of feed back and watching a you tube clip of the last 30 seconds. I’m in the UK and stayed up for the last one which sent me to bed feeling really negative about the bias. peace

    • Chris the trite

      Don’t let the Internet fool u, the worst part of the fight was the stoppage but other than the last 10-15 seconds, the fight was (mostly) legit

  • RayK

    There was a Canelo/GGG press conference in London today.

  • maxx

    Excellent mailbag as always Doug, indeed the adjustments made by Ward were to ensure that Kovalev is sterile for the rest of his day.Kudos Doug.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    Why focus on so called low blows? If you closely observed that recent fight as in their first fight particularly the second half, you would see that it was Ward’s left jab, hook and straights that were timely delivered and gotten through Kovalev’s low cocked right that started the damage and the Russian’s eventual defeat. Kovalev got so wary of that left that left him vulnerable to Ward’s main weapon right hand starting in the sixth. Props to Virgil Hunter for devising that game plan taking full advantage of Kovalev’s preponderance with his main weapon right hand which he usually cocked low and his oftentimes ineffective use of his left as a probing weapon. And woe to John David Jackson for not recognizing that problem from the first fight and being unable to prepare Kovalev on how to deal with or make proper adjustment to counter that in the rematch. It was clear that Ward had Kovalev in big trouble by the sixth as the Russian did not know how to deal with that damaging left from Ward except by upping his punch volume that eventually gassed him.

  • Navid Tofighian

    Apparently Kovalev was not wanted by the Russian team, now after his unsportsmanlike attributes- didn’t congratulate Ward but said he wanted to still kick his ass? and made another insulting remark about him in the post-match conference- he likely will be unwelcome in US scene.

  • TMT LONDON-DA REAL OLA ODUSINA
  • Jeff Pettis

    I have a lot of respect for Doug but in this case he is coming across as a bit jaded to me. He seems to have this weary sort of acceptance that corrupt levels of bias and partisanship exist in the sport and theres simply nothing you can do about. I dont particularly blame him after the backlash he probably got after the first fight, but its kind of a sad state of affairs really. In my opinion.

  • Billy ray

    Its been a bad year for the “savage science”. a fight broke out in the ring and the sometimes “krusher” is tired after five rounds. canelo and ggg are both six round fighters. ward has always been a rough tough type fighter. after the way the ex-light heavyweight champ of the world was treated by his promoter duva, maybe Floyd is the tbe. the sometime krusher got paid like a prospect.

    • Orca

      I get the feeling that Main Events are adhering to a new payment script in boxing based on realism. For years a lot of these world champs have been overpaid (based on what their worth) and promoters, networks etc have been losing out. It’s time to cut back a little for some of these elite fighters. Floyd Mayweather isn’t the norm. That money isn’t there, not even close. If anything, I think reduced paychecks (which we will most definitely be seeing) can be good for boxing. It might force champs to actually fight each other and fight more often. Adonis Stevenson feasting on, for the most part, subpar challengers and earning well………..those days are unsustainable and coming to an end.

      However, I do feel bad for Kovalev getting so little in comparison to Ward. Will be interested to see what Ward averages from here on out. What is he really worth?

  • Nixtradamus

    Kovalev, Ward, GGG, Chocolatito, Rigondeaux and many other good fighters are making peanuts compared to Mayweather, DeLa Hoya, Pacquiao, etc., because they are risk-averse boxers who want to fight tomato cans while fans pay $80 for a shitty PPV show.

    Want the big bucks? Fight good fighters and force your promoters to deliver value to fans. As simple as that. Unless you are Canelo, in which case you can afford to be a rich mediocre fighter because you are taller and better-looking than all your fans…lol

    • Orca

      Don’t know what GGG earns but Ward does not belong on that list with those other guys. He earns well in excess of what he’s actually worth as an attraction.

  • Nixtradamus

    Confirmed: Dougie spent most of Sunday morning in the emergency room with anal palpitations that began when Ward landed the right cross that made Kovalev say ‘no mas’…

  • Wee Den Broon

    Ward’s problem is not that he won, it’s that he is so unappealing to the neutral boxing fan because his style is so negative. Sure, he is a great athlete and has amazing reflexes and skills. Just don’t ask me to shell out to watch him make a good fight bad. Fans want Gatti, Froch and AJ. Nobody wants to watch someone run away, wrestle and jab and grab all night.

  • Orca

    Has anyone had a look at the post fight press conference for the Ward Kovalev fight? It left a seriously bad taste in my mouth. Someone has a lot to answer for . I’ve never seen anything like it. Who were these ‘media’ people and who gave them their pass? I wonder. So Ward and his people now get to decide who gets into his press conferences? As for the cat calling and booing……well, I found it disgusting.

    Posted this on another talkback but just interested in my fellow posters thoughts. I’ve not seen much written about this.

  • Reggie Woodard

    “Triple T > Captain Napalm • a day ago

    I’ll also give Joe Smith a helluva good chance of knocking that half-Mick half-Nigger ass-whipe into the middle of next week.”

    -This is the kind of mindless, classless, and ignorant drivel that has absolutely no place on a forum/discussion…
    There are some degenerate minds running amok in the mailbag.

  • kiowhatta

    Ok. Time for a changing of the guard in this division. There’s too much exciting talent coming through for two fighters (one’s a cherry picker; the other just unexciting) to dominate and run down the clock.
    I give Ward his Kudos, but I’m more excited by the potential of exciting fights with the likes of Beterbiev, Bivol, Smith Jr etc.
    Ward and Stevenson will fight maybe twice a year if that, and that’s a waste. Both have just fought, so it’s like waiting for the next season of your favourite TV series to air the next year, but at least they give you 8-13 episodes a year.

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