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Thurman wins split decision in a big fight that barely delivered

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Ray Leonard may want a retraction.

After declaring the matchup of Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman the second coming of his epic 1981 RING Fight of the Year with Thomas Hearns, today’s fighters failed to live up to the hype, producing a puzzling, cautious effort in a primetime slot on CBS.

Thurman, the WBA welterweight champion, won a split decision by scores of 116-112 (John McKaie), 115-113 (Joseph Pasquale) and 113-115 (Kevin Morgan) at Barclays Center in Brooklyn to capture Garcia’s WBC title before an announced crowd of 16,533, the highest-attended boxing event in the arena’s short history. There was no rematch clause in the contract and fans may be fine with that as boos provided a steady drumbeat on Saturday.

After starting fast, showcasing his superior hand-speed and footwork, Thurman (28-0, 22 knockouts) let up, adopting a move-and-not-get hit strategy, dancing around the ring for most of the second half of the fight. Thoughtful and chatty outside the ropes, Thurman chose a tactical approach to secure victory when it seemed he could have done more — even if it ultimately brought him another title. While Thurman executed his game plan — hurting Garcia early and relying on his movement the rest of the way — he never dared to be great when it seemed as if greatness might be within reach.

“The judges are judges,” Thurman said in the ring afterward. “I thought I out-boxed him. I thought it was a clear victory, but Danny came to fight. I knew when it was split decision — I knew it had to go to me.” Added his trainer Dan Birmingham, “We knew we had the fight won. Keith was still scoring when he was backing up when he was sticking and moving.”

Philly’s Garcia (33-1, 19 KOs) for his part, seemed incapable of cutting the ring off and resorted to throwing one hard shot at a time. Still, Garcia was the aggressor for the later rounds when Thurman backed off and was content to land an occasional glancing shot. “Keith ran half the fight,” Angel Garcia, Danny’s father and trainer, said before the decision was announced. “Boxing is about hitting. It’s not about running. Danny tried to be the aggressor but Keith was moving around too much.”

The pairing of Garcia and Thurman, boxers with compelling styles and personalities was promoted as a tonic for the sport. Putting the bout on a national stage on CBS was supposed to provide a boost. It wast the culmination of two successful careers, a stage to show off the best that PBC and Al Haymon had to offer. When Thurman hurt Garcia with a left midway through the first and followed that up with a right to the temple, displaying his impressive athleticism, it seemed like the fight would live up the expansive buildup. But Leonard, who stopped Hearns in the 14th round of that classic 1981 welterweight unification bout and called Saturday’s fight as part of the announcing crew, must have been shaking his head at the lulls of inactivity, the inability of both fighters to seize control and take risks.

“I came up short tonight,” Garcia said in the ring. “I thought I was the aggressor. I thought I pushed the pace. But it didn’t go my way. I thought I won and I was pushing the fight. But it is what it is. He was trying to counter. I had to wait to find my spots.”

Thurman started fast, quickly backing up Garcia with lead right hands and aggressive movement. After hurting him in the first round, Thurman took a confident approach over the next few rounds, landing the harder shots. Garcia seemed to be targeting Thurman’s body, but he struggled to time Thurman with counters, usually his bread and butter. Thurman kept moving around, out of harm’s way as he landed a pair of hard lefts in the fourth. Even when Thurman wasn’t punching, he was still effective early, utilizing his superior foot speed and Garcia seemed unable to keep up. But then Thurman started moving too much, and the fans grew restless in the sixth, booing the lack of action as Thurman circled and Garcia couldn’t catch him until the end of the round, when Garcia landed a left-right combination, the first flush punches he landed to that point.

Garcia appeared looser in the seventh, again moving toward Thurman as Thurman skirted away. Thurman continued to dance and potshot Garcia in the eighth, landing an overhand right and right to the body that kept Garcia from charging in. Thurman landed a sharp right uppercut in the tenth, but the boos returned in the 11th as the action was scarce, with Thurman dancing around and Garcia unable to land any telling shots. The only interesting thing about the 11th was that Garcia nearly went to the wrong corner after the round was over.

 

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  • Teddy Reynoso

    Can’t we expect a fighter as Thurman to mellow and assume a more practical, if conservative approach in his game, as long as wins, as he matures?

  • The Immortal S-Hop

    Update me when you come down and shake your mutha fuckin head, Michel.

    • Charlie U.

      Huh? You alright S-Hop or did you and Mike have some kind of TV message that you were working on?

  • ceylon mooney

    leonard-hearns what a dumb comparison! network tryin waaaaay too hard. still pissed they dint air fonfara-dawson.

    • Gerard Francis M. Furto

      I still think those two are no match for Pacquiao even at this point. Even an old Marquez would beat those two.

      • ciobanu catalin

        well said, even at this point….my point is that pac, floyd, cotto and other A class fighter in their prime would even sneeze at this guys, but we consider them top cause we have none…that whats sad

        • Giuseppe

          The cotto that faced canelo wins here too. He was very very sharp that night and focused. He just couldn’t hurt the mich bigger man.

      • Adam Jenkins

        I was wondering the same thing. People saying Thurman and Garcia would ice pacquiao. I think not.

        • ceylon mooney

          thats plain silly.

          • Adam Jenkins

            Exactly my sentiments

        • Giuseppe

          No way. I’d take Bradley to beat both these guys. He works too hard. The Bradley that fought marquez gets a ud here.

          • i basically think Thurman did a Bradley to Garcia’s Marquez.

          • i basically think Thurman did a Bradley to Garcia’s Marquez.

          • Adam Jenkins

            Agreed

          • Adam Jenkins

            I have to agree with you there. Bradley takes them.

        • Carlos

          those “People” dont know shit about boxing. but I bet they could tell you about Floyd’s car collection.

          • Adam Jenkins

            Lol. No doubt

      • ceylon mooney

        oh yea. def not it pacquiaos league.

        i thought it was a good fight.

        thurmans loadin up lotta them shots with bad intentions. looked faster than last few times i seen him. good
        movement too.

        • Jarell Moody

          Oh the fan that appreciate skill displays are a dying breed… :'(

      • Carlos

        spence and brook would bury these two.

    • Giuseppe

      What a finish from the pole. Dawson probably could have survived the round but he passed that away.

      • ceylon mooney

        howd u watch it?

        • Giuseppe

          On box nation they showed a few rounds. Enough to see the turning of momentum etc.

    • Giuseppe

      What a finish from the pole. Dawson probably could have survived the round but he passed that away.

    • Jarell Moody

      TWO top welterweights fighting for the WBA and WBC belts warrants a Leonard, Hearns comparison.

      People forget how Leonard fought that night, too… He was just running around the ring getting jabbed in the face till he found out Hearns had a weak chin.

  • ciobanu catalin

    This is what i mean when i said what do we get, on that they get 2mil a piece article… B class fight from b class fighters posed as a class…. Sad

  • Spider Rico

    Have to agree, minus the first 4 rounds, the fight was just awful. Less running, more fighting please.

    • Julio

      Thurman certainly did his fair share of running but Garcia also deserves blame for his total incompetence in this fight. Just admiring how Keith outboxed him and incapable of closing the distance. Waited until the very end to make his move when fate was already sealed. Thurman very well might have lost this fight though, considering his near no show in the last couple of rounds.

      • Spider Rico

        It was reminiscent of the DLH-Trinidad fight.

        • Julio

          A near carbon copy indeed.

        • Julio

          A near carbon copy indeed.

  • Charlie U.

    Disappointed in Thurman. He was backing away for the most of the second half and he even copped to it in the interview. Thought this one would be much more entertaining.

    • Mitchell Nelms

      That was a textbook win by Thurman. He was in and out, ducking, dodging and slipping punches against a known counter puncher. He also landed the more impressive punches. Those sneaky lead uppercuts were brilliant.

      • The Immortal S-Hop

        Thought Danny was relying too much on that no look hook to land. Shoulda looked.

        • Al Del

          He should really work on his footwork. He’s nothing special to begin with..he’s pretty basic imo, hand speed, power, defense, body attack and a decent hook.. his best attribute in reality is his chin.. But having good footwork for someone being basic/limited will go a long way..

        • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

          Hey, how come one of your eyes is bigger than the other? 🙂

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            Cuz it’s a silly filter.

          • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

            YOU are silly. 😉 Heh heh.

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            True

          • Koninbeor

            Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            If you say so, Koni.

          • Koninbeor

            Man, I’m lagging behind. That’s from The Office. 😀

        • Fist_ti_cuffs

          Actually he didn’t throw enough lefts. His right hand was his main weapon last night. His scraps are genuinely entertaining and I’m sure he’ll be back challenging for a title in no time at all.

        • Ten Count Toronto

          He has lost the desire and to some extent and he may have gone too long without seeing anything better than C level fighters (since the Peterson fight – and that was compromised since both were dead at the weight). He forgot that he NEEDS to be occasionally bold & reckless to make up for a moderate talent gap.

          Also it may finally have burned him that he has gotten the benefit of the doubt in the scoring of many close fights.

      • Skyler

        It was definitely classic Thurman, but I thought he would try to take it to another level given the magnitude of the fight and all.

        • Jarell Moody

          There’s an old boxing phrase… Win now, look good later… He should impress against inferior opposition. Not against someone almost equally matched.

    • maxx

      I concur, he was using a risky strategy, Garcia always gets the benefit of the doubt, example being Morales 1, Herrera and the Peterson bout, I had it 115-113 only because Thurman gave away the last three rounds by pedaling on his bicycle.Kudos Charlie

      • philoe bedoe

        I had it the same……..

      • Ten Count Toronto

        Going back farther I thought at least the margins he got on the cards against Holt & Theophane were excessive if not the ultimate outcome although had those been draws they wouldn’t have been among the worst such decisions. Also both of the guys I watched the Matthysse fight with had it 7:5 the other way, I was the only one who had it for Garcia 6:5:1 + knockdown but going strictly on connects my friends scorecards wouldn’t be horrible decisions either…

        • Rick

          People like to pretend that that wasn’t a close fight and that Danny just blew him away. If I remember right Lucas was up until his eye closed shut and it was still a close fight.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            Not to mention that Matthysse seemed on the verge of scoring his own knockdown when Garcia lost his mouthpiece and Tony Weeks intervened immediately with his patented 30-second mouthpiece ceremony after which Garcia was able to score a knockdown. If the round played out without Weeks’ influence Matthysse would probably have gotten his own knockdown and even if Garcia returned the favor that round would have been Even or a 1 point Matthysse round instead of a 2-point Garcia round which would have resulted in a Majority Draw or Split win for Matthysse on the judges cards.

        • maxx

          I have not seen the Theophane bout, I thought he soundly beat frontrunner Holt and the Matthysse bout was closer than folk would believe.Kudos

    • Shawn

      Late in the fight after Thurman was ahead on the cards, you think he should have went toe to toe with Danny and risk getting caught with a Garcia left hook ?

      • Carlos

        he should not have left it to the judges.

        • Julio

          He realized that Danny wasn’t going anywhere and was cognizant of his counters. After all, that’s how Garcia stopped some opponents after being severely outboxed.

        • Shawn

          Garcia ?

        • Jarell Moody

          Danny’s counter punches have knockout power in them, and Thurman couldn’t land consistently enough to get the KO… It would be dumb for him to have tried to get the KO when he was well ahead

      • eric esquibel

        Pacquiao in all of his 60+ fights, never ran around the ring just wanted the rounds to go by and finish the fight.

        Even if he is ahead on scores, his opponent is much bigger. You’ll never see him fight scared like that.

        I thought this will be fight of the year, but all who watched are disappointed.

        Pac can outbox Garcia just by going in/out, side to side, head movement.

        Keith Thurman is on his bike half of the fight, wtf.

        • Shawn

          Fighting scared and fighting smart are two completely different things.
          Thurman was coming forward with smashing blows early – why you think Danny was keeping his hands at home after the first @ second round.

          Thurman got in did damage then got out – he was significantly ahead on the cards going into the championship rounds – If Thurman would have went toe to toe and got knocked out in the last 60 seconds of a fight that he had in the bag you’d be saying Keith made a dumb choice to mix it up in what would have been a clear victory. ( If you were being intellectually honest anyway). BTW Didn’t Keith throw more punches than Danny ?

          In a fight this important, sometimes ya just gotta ignore the fans and do watcha gotta do. It was a good fight with a lot of action – I guess we can compare it to all of the greatest fights of the past and say it didn’t add up to those but maybe if Danny was more offensive the fight could have been more entertaining, you didn’t notice that though did ya ?

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            I agree with everything you said. Great analysis!

          • Shawn

            Thanks man – I most certainly don’t here that too often.

          • Stephen M

            They both put out tepid performances.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            The entire bout fight felt like a first round “feeling out process”. they both looked like they had first time main event jitters when in fact they have both headlined cards before and are closer to 30 than 20. These are good fighters but not elite. They’re OK for free TV but it’s absurd to sell them as anything more.

          • Shawn

            I’ve seen much worse

          • Stephen M

            That’s fainter than “faint praise”.

          • Shawn

            I’ve seen much better also. Overall I give the fight a solid 7. 5

          • Stephen M

            I guess that is fair enough. I’d give it 6.5.

          • Shawn

            Let’s just meet in the middle and call it a 7, lol.
            Well maybe the first half was a 7.5 and the second half was a 6.5 to be more accurate. Owell, if they fight again hopefully it will provide more entertainment for all the fans.

          • Julius Kent

            Robbing you scared and Robbing you smart are two different things too.

        • Shawn

          Fighting scared and fighting smart are two completely different things.
          Thurman was coming forward with smashing blows early – why you think Danny was keeping his hands at home after the first @ second round.

          Thurman got in did damage then got out – he was significantly ahead on the cards going into the championship rounds – If Thurman would have went toe to toe and got knocked out in the last 60 seconds of a fight that he had in the bag you’d be saying Keith made a dumb choice to mix it up in what would have been a clear victory. ( If you were being intellectually honest anyway). BTW Didn’t Keith throw more punches than Danny ?

          In a fight this important, sometimes ya just gotta ignore the fans and do watcha gotta do. It was a good fight with a lot of action – I guess we can compare it to all of the greatest fights of the past and say it didn’t add up to those but maybe if Danny was more offensive the fight could have been more entertaining, you didn’t notice that though did ya ?

        • Jarell Moody

          Pacquiao fought scared against Floyd, and he’s been letting inferior opposition take him the distance for years. Did you not see his fight with Brandon Rios? It was a straight up clinch fest against a slow, dimensional brawler…

        • Fist_ti_cuffs

          That’s probably why Pac has so many loses……….just saying.

          • Charlie U.

            Pac has losses but he’s a an absolute legend. Sugar Ray Leonard has losses, Sugar Ray Robinson has losses, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran…stop worshiping at the altar of Floyd.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            But we were talking about being reckless, so let’s stay on topic. I’ll use the Marquez fight as Exhibition A. If Manny boxes he’s cruises to an easy victory as he was ahead on all the scorecards. Instead he did what you wanted Keith to do last night to appease your lust for a slug fest and got KTFO. Keith came out extremely aggressive for the first half of the fight and simply made a good choice to box to an easy win.

          • Charlie U.

            Marquez was juiced out of skull with the type of backne that would put 1998 Mark McGwire to shame. It’s quite telling that even to this day, JMM is saying he wouldn’t fight Pac again even for $100 million. Simply put, he got away with one and he knows it.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            You refuse to stay on topic.

          • Charlie U.

            Little Fisty, Thurman himself admitted he was backing away most of the second half. He felt like the most it could have cost him was a draw but not a loss. Why even risk that? He was landing just 10 punches a round in the second half of a fight he was winning easily. He put himself in a position to possibly have it taken from him and he would have no one to blame but himself. Further, this was a bad blood, unification bout between two undefeated guys in their primes on national TV. Very rare stuff indeed. I would have expected (or hoped) that Keith would have tried to seize the moment.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            So my original premise was about him playing it safe after establishing a blistering pace early and getting a definite lead. He was smart, won the fight and did what many others have failed to do before him which was to unify championships in his division. Now if you didn’t like his style……..oh well, go watch bare knuckle fights or GB weekly streams for that amateurish stuff you so desperately crave. He absolutely seized the moment by doing something most 28 year old fighters will never do……..he unified two of the belts and deserves to be a player on the p4p list. Chill on the insults or this will most assuredly go left.

          • Charlie U.

            Go left? Haha. Please. You’re a weird dude. I’m surprised I spent this much time with you but it’s been a lazy Sunday afternoon for me.

          • Arjay Cee

            I think the truth, wisely unspoken by Thurman, is that it had nothing to do with the mental game. He couldn’t take more hooks. He is not well-built to survive an onslaught.

            Knowing that either makes him a) no longer interesting to blood-and-guts fans or b) actually even more interesting because you’re looking at a guy with skills who has a glass gut. To fight a tank like Danny with that disadvantage means you’d better have more than standing and trading in mind.

      • Jarell Moody

        Exactly… People here want every fight to be a typical back and forth war… That’s why they keep putting those brainless displays on TV in main events… Boxing is a science. Sometimes science is fun and explosive, but sometimes it’s precise, and matter of fact…

        Fact is Thurman did what he needed to do… If modern boxing fan/writers don’t like it, watch another sport.

        • Shawn

          I like a good smash up/ barn burner just as much as the next guy trust me on that, however, sometimes ya gotta have a strategy and stay discipline and execute the best plan at this level to walk away with the win. It’s not like the fight was clinch fest or anything.
          Maybe if they fight again it will get bloody, who knows.

          • Jarell Moody

            I like watching them live, but I rarely go back to watch them later.

            The so called “problem” with boxing is simply that it’s a multidimensional sport with different styles… People only want one.

          • Shawn

            I’m have my favorite style but enjoy all of them – a pure slick, hit @ not get hit fighter is even fun if their offensive kinda like a loma.

          • Jarell Moody

            I appreciate scientific displays of all kinds. Even Duran put on scientific displays. It just matters how much of a fan you are of the fighters involved. That what adds the excitement. If I don’t care about two brawlers going to war, I am just as likely to not enjoy it as I am a defensive display

          • Shawn

            That’s very true.

        • Mike M.

          Thomy Hearns and SRL were just as explosive, calculated, fast, powerful as these two, in fact they were better in all those categories. Only difference is they actually FOUGHT, they’re wars we’re fast, furious, brutal, precise and they’re elite skills were always on display every second of every round.

          If you think what you watched on Saturday was science then you’re a damned fool. If seeing a little blood in the ring bothers you, you should just put on a tampon or maybe pick a different sport to watch.

          Bottom line is they put on a shitty show, fans pad their wallets and when “elite fighters” put on dull performances in high profile fights…people stop watching or paying attention.

          • Jarell Moody

            Lol, when the last time you watched that fight? Leonard spend the first half of the fight getting boxed to death while running around the ring. Finally, after realizing he was losing, he went for the KO, and lucky him, Hearns has a weak chin, which added an element of excitement to the fight.
            “CAN RAY HURT TOMMY AGAINST AND MAKE A COMEBACK?”
            Hearns then commenced boxing behind his long jab as Leonard chased him around the ring.

            We all know Leonard and Hearns are superior in every way to Thurman and Garcia. Expecting these two vastly inferior fighters to put on the exact quality of fight emphasizes how limited your knowledge of the sport is.

            The difference between me and you is I don’t have a problem with a war when it happens, I don’t have a problem with blood, but I actually have the analytical understanding of the sport to appreciate a skillful display. The reason people like you like slugfests is because it doesn’t take a brain to understand it.
            “DUUHHHH, HE PUNCH HIM IN FACE. HE PUNCH HIM BACK. ME ENTERTAINED!”

      • Charlie U.

        Not toe to toe but he should have taken more chances. He allowed it to be closer than it should have and he could have easily walked away with just a draw. He was already outclassing DSG, why allow for that possibility?

        • Shawn

          I guess risk – reward ?
          If we were watching the fight at home or live – we knew Thurman was ahead – so did Thurman and his team – that could be the reason.

          Can you imagine Keith putting in all the work – being ahead on the cards then getting blasted out in the last few rounds ?
          I was thinking there wasn’t going to be any BS decisions by the judges – that’s not helpful when trying to build the sport – it of course will happen again but this fight was to important for that – I wasn’t worried about a BS decision.

          I understand and get what you and a lot of others are saying though – both fighters could have pressed the action more and took a little more risk but not to the point of risking a stupid loss when a win is sealed up. Danny wasn’t doing much for most of the fight. Thurman was doing everything right for who he fighting.

    • Jarell Moody

      Counter Puncher (Garcia) vs Boxer (Thurman) does not make Thurman-Porter style fights. That kind of match up is going to be a tactical match 10/10 times… Counter punchers need activity, so the boxer’s best served to move around, and not give them anything to counter…

      It’s called boxing people. You can’t not expect people to boxing in a sport called boxing

      • Charlie U.

        Tactical is one thing. Admitting to backing away for most of the second half of a fight that you’re clearly winning is something else entirely. He was simply taking potshots and threw very, very few combinations. Thurman himself acknowledged that it was a split decison because of that and he also said that the worst it could have been was a draw. Why even allow it to get that a point against a fighter you’ve clearly outclassed? Plus, it was a unification title fight between two undefeated fighters on national TV. I want to see a championship fighter who recognizes the sense of the moment and takes advantage of it.

        • Jarell Moody

          Lol, it’s really not. He was boxing tactically in the latter half of the fight after trying to be explosive early. What he discovered was the Garcia was a dangerous counter puncher with a lot better defense than most people think. So he stuck with a very-Ray Leonard-like style of moving around the ring, lulling your opponent to sleep before exploding with a short, hard to counter combination.

          He couldn’t land consistently enough to risk getting knocked out while going for the KO, so he moved a lot and strategized… Whatever he said after the fight if anyone scored the fight a draw, or in favor of Garcia, they’ll be outvoted 10/10 times in by the people that had Thurman winning.

          I mean look at the punch stats… He was consistent throughout the fight… He just changed his strategy

  • mitch menendez

    What a non-event, Thurman certainly deserved the decision but from a spectators point of view a disappointing bout. Too cautious on both sides

    • Mitchell Nelms

      I think most of us are spoiled after watching fighters like Golovkin, Gonzales, Crawford, Kovalev, and Lomachenko.

      • Teddy Reynoso

        Triple G, Gonzales and Kovalev, yes as they usually walk down or stalk their opponents to points or stoppage wins due to their superior strength and solid static defense. Not Crawford and especially Lomachenko who has mastered evasive strategies as defense tools as they unraveled and defused their opponents, at times to the slight displeasure of spoiled fans eager for blood and kill. I of course prefer the fighting style of the last two.

        • Stephen M

          Lomachenko mixes offense and defense in spectacular fashion. He has stopped his last 4 opponents.

      • Julius Kent

        Crawford? Did he man up already?

        • Mitchell Nelms

          Whatchu talking about Willis?

          • Julius Kent

            I heard he ran around the ring these days.

    • Teddy Reynoso

      To two undefeated fighters meeting in the ring for the first time, caution is indeed the better part of valor

      • Giuseppe

        True… if you care about their careers. But for casual fans… ie the holy grail… it’s another boring one!

  • BN

    The fans that booed were sitting where they couldn’t see the fight. Whenever punches were thrown they were cheering even when most of the punches were missing. They booed when the two fighters were taking a tactical approach since they didn’t see arms flailing. Most of the fans were sold on the hype and just wanted to see two fighters standing in front of each other trading punches until one went down, that’s not boxing. To anyone who truly understands boxing or has trained as a boxer, knows the sweet science is about hitting and not being hit.

    • Spider Rico

      The first half of the fight was hitting and not being hit, the second half was tag you’re it.

    • Charlie U.

      Never heard that before. I’ll have to use it sometime.

    • left hook

      Most of these so called fans don’t understand boxing and never boxed themselves. If u using your legs to move away from punches, they automatically say you are running or fighting scared.

      • Julius Kent

        You mean what pep was doing?
        Pep took risk by doing those moves.

        • left hook

          U are one of the so called fans am talking about Roderick. I can tell u are intelligent but u don’t no boxing.
          It’s about time u replied with your real username, instead of those fake ones u created.

          • Julius Kent

            If you run and only try to win one round at a time by some glancing blow, do you call this fighting without fear?

            Boxing is about hurting your opponent much more than he is hurting you. That’s why you use your hands in boxing foremost. But those were the days eh? Now, it’s those feet.

            Pugilism, fighting, fisticuffs. Boxing is Pugilism fighting with fists, thus its called fisticuffs.

            Footwork, holding, move away.
            Dancing is using your footwork to move away and then move forward to hold your dance partner close. Then repeat.

          • left hook

            U call it glancing blows or pot shots but only the opponent getting hit by the pot shots knows whether it’s hurts or not. Example the blow that dropped David price in his fight against Thompson looked like a pot shot. The blow Paulie threw that cut shechenko’s eye in Kiev was a pot shot. Anyway u won’t understand cuz u have never boxed before.

          • Julius Kent

            Why? Did you?

            So Dougie, Mike and the rest will never understand too because they are not boxers?

          • left hook

            Dougie, fat Dan and u Roderick, will never understand, if u do, u won’t say the BS u say at times. And yes I was a boxer and still spar in my local gym most weekends.
            Not surprised u didn’t address the pot shot blows example I gave u, anyway u always duck facts.

          • Julius Kent

            So your opinion is more valuable than dougies simply because you were a Boxer and Dougie a writer?

            You mean that lookalike potshot? If pricer felt the pain of that lookalike potshot. What do you think will happen to price if that was a haymaker?

          • left hook

            Yep, I was a boxer, I have received and given blows, so I know my boxing well but u..Loll.
            U have never been in a fight, so u don’t know how some potshots could be painful but David Price has therefore he knows what’s up.

          • Julius Kent

            In boxing, a potshot is a punch thrown at an unexpected time intended to take advantage of an opponent’s unpreparedness. Often occurs during a clinch. lol.

            Question. If given a choice, what would you rather be hit with? A potshot thrown by a running opponent or a right hook thrown by a determined opponent? We are not even gonna talk about haymakers yet.

          • left hook

            Who is asking u for the definition of pot shot, by the way your definition is wrong.
            To answer your question, I would prefer to dodge any punch coming to hit me.

          • Julius Kent

            And run? Probably dance thereafter? You could yourself throw a potshot if you want. Don’t forget to grab, ok?

            That’s boxing these days. Very exciting.

          • left hook

            U can even call it break dancing lol…only a fool will see a punch coming and not try to dodge. To make this argument easy Roderick, why don’t u go into boxing and let’s see how hard u hit. Better still, make your son go into boxing and teach him to take blow to his head without dodging so he can become a vegetable later in life.

    • Col Carter

      Actually, the sweet science is about winning and not losing. Thurman clearly won. Garcia clearly lost.

      • Carlos

        I always thought of the sweet science as the way to prove who is the better man in the ring.

        • Col Carter

          If that were true then some guys records would be totally different. 🙂

          • Carlos

            and that’s OK to me, I have never been impressed with an undefeated record that is cherry picked.

          • Col Carter

            Me neither. An old trainer by the name of Whitey Bimstead once said, “Show me a fighter with no defeats and I’ll show you a fighter who’s never fought anyone.” That’s why you won’t find an ATG with an undefeated record.

      • Charlie U.

        Thurman made it not so clear because it was a split decision. Could have and should have been a lot clearer.

        • Jarell Moody

          Three judges sitting on three sides of the ring watching the fight from only one angle is the reason why it was a split decision. With the TV advantage of seeing the fight from all angles, Thurman clearly won.

        • Col Carter

          Thurman could have made it clearer but the judge who gave Garcia 7 rounds viewed a different fight than most everyone else. I think Thurman beats Danny 10 out of 10 times. I’m not so sure of Danny’s future at 147. I actually picked him to KO Thurman. That didn’t work out so well. LOL

      • Julius Kent

        The sweet science of bruising.
        That’s the original phrase coined by Pierce Egan in the early 1800s.

    • Stephen M

      I’d guess that a lot of people there were just casual fans who bought tickets with their hard earned cash in the hope being entertained. They weren’t. Hit and don’t get hit doesn’t fill stadiums.

      I re-watched Barrera-Morales III yesterday, would I ever re-watch Thurman-Garcia?

      • Giuseppe

        Great point. I do like strategists in the ring. But I fucking love action fighters.

      • Carlos

        you could if you have insomnia, put you right to sleep. I have 40+ mayweather “fights” to choose from when I just can’t fall asleep. works every time.

        • Left Hook

          I bet you are gone by the 3rd round in any of them!

          • Carlos

            KO’ed. Mayweather has millons of KO’s if you count the number of people his fights put to sleep. lol.

      • Jarell Moody

        I love how people always compare boxing between certain styles to boxing matches with totally different styles…

        Garcia vs Thurman = Dangerous Counter Puncher vs Dangerous Boxer Puncher = tactical bout
        Morales vs Barrera = Two tough brawlers, without one-punch power = exciting fight

        If you’re opponent can’t knock you out with one punch (which was the case in last night’s fight) you’re going to be willing to take more risks and be more exciting.
        For example:
        Thurman vs Porter… Porter only fights one way, and Thurman didn’t have to fear Porter’s power = Exciting fight
        Garcia vs Matthysse… Garcia is a counter puncher, and Matthysse is a dangerous come forward fighter… That’s exactly the style a counter puncher needs to be active and exciting.

        You don’t have to like last night’s fight if you don’t like that kinda thing, but acknowledge what it is.

        • Stephen M

          I love how people don’t read very well and answer something that isn’t there. The only way I compared the two fights is by if I would ever re-watch Thurman Garcia. I won’t. And I would bet that a lot of the people who bought tickets would not pay for a rematch because they were not entertained. That was my entire point.
          (You dismiss Barrera as a tough brawler? Really?)

          • Jarell Moody

            I know Barrera can box, but he wasn’t a boxer against Morales, was he? Nip that in the bud real quick…

            If that’s all you’re comparing then what’s the point of comparing? I’ll re-watch the Avengers before I re-wach Corales/Castillo… What does that prove?

          • Stephen M

            You are not very bright, goodbye!

          • Jarell Moody

            Says the guy with no response… Peace out… Hopefully you don’t come back so that us boxing fans can enjoy the sport with you whiners taking all the comment sections.

    • Stephen M

      I’ll add that this fight is why we love Golovkin. Because for Golovkin it’s ” get hit and knock you the fuck out” not cruising to a points decision, as he could do in every fight he is in…

      • Jarell Moody

        That’s cause he doesn’t fight dangerous opponents. His most dangerous opponent to date is a one dimensional brawler. And his upcoming opponent has already proven to be fragile.

        When he moves up to 168 and fights bigger, scarier opponents, then we’ll see how exciting he’ll choose to be.

        • Julius Kent

          You mean GGG will then fight risk free? Probably dance and hold?

          • Jarell Moody

            We’ll see… He already fought safely against the vastly inferior Lemieux… How much so against a guy like Ramirez? Lets not forget he wasn’t exactly keen on fighting Ward when that was on the table…

          • Julius Kent

            TKO 8.

            36 total fights. 36 wins, 33 KOs, 0 losses.

            What else do you wanna see? Canelo making excuses or Dougie defending Canelo?

          • Jarell Moody

            TKO 8 because Lemiuex is garbage. TKO 8 because he hits hard. When Thurman or Garcia fight guys that are garbage, they get TKO’s too. When you fight higher levels of competition, knockouts don’t come so easily.

            No one at middleweight is high level competition. Maybe Canelo, but not really, we’ve already seen him lose (arguably more than once). If he moves up, and can’t walk through bigger guys like he’s been doing, we’ll see how he fights then. There’s also a reason he turned down a fight with Lara… “Too boring” A.K.A. “He won’t stand in front of me and let me knock him out, like I like”.

  • Dee Money

    Happens in a lot of sports, team builds up a big lead and then just wastes the clock.

  • WillieSmalls

    I like to see champions finish a fight like a champion, not run away for the last 3 rounds. He had control of the fight, why not continue to employ the same tactics to seal what would have been a very good performance? Not the best way to advertise yourself as a prizefighter.

  • WillieSmalls

    I like to see champions finish a fight like a champion, not run away for the last 3 rounds. He had control of the fight, why not continue to employ the same tactics to seal what would have been a very good performance? Not the best way to advertise yourself as a prizefighter.

  • Teddy Reynoso

    When an aggressor loses a fight, he blames it to the other guy running, actually moving too much and not on his inability to cut off the ring, wear or at least slow down the opponent with constant pressure and most importantly connect with his punches. In short his aggression is ineffective against the opponent’s effective evasion. But it still boils down to who hits and does more damage as far as the judges scoring goes.

    • Left Hook

      What is sad is that Danny wasn’t aggressive. He looked like a statue for the first 6 rounds and his version of aggression in the 2nd half was taking an occasional step forward.

      • Giuseppe

        There was a distinct lack of aggression from both fighters. But it wasn’t a very cerebral fight either. They just looked blank faced throughout.

        • Left Hook

          True, but Danny more so. He looked like he was going through the motions for the first half of the fight. This fight is an example of why aggression should be rewarded more than ring generalship. Danny was waiting for Thurman to throw so that he could counter. “Waiting” is something I do not care to watch.

          • Julio

            He was going through the motions, you could see the bewilderment in his face every time Thurman threw his flurries. Dude had no idea what to do once he realized that his counters were too few and far in between and did 0 damage. Although I recall that in the early going Danny hit Keith once with a counter right to the head and Thurman backed up for a good portion of that round.

    • Julio

      Funny thing is that Garcia landed at a higher connect percentage and just trailed Thurman by around 15 punches overall. That tells you a lot about how much Thurman stunk up the joint also.

  • Jody Hanna

    Thurman deserved the nod in a shit fight.

    This write up would have saved you nine paragraphs and pretty much covers it.

    • Giuseppe

      Agree. Solid fighters but nothing would make me pay for a rematch or to see either fighter again. Unless they were in with pacquaio Brook or Spence

      • Jarell Moody

        How quickly you forget about all the exciting fights both men were involved in. Thurman just last fight went to war with Porter.

        If you can’t make a fighter fight out of his comfort zone, why would the fighter leave his comfort zone? Any fighter with the skill and ability to box cautiously without getting hit will do it… Even when you look at a guy like Lomachenko, who’s exciting and explosive, he has the ability to avoid damage and does because why wouldn’t you? Because it’s not exciting??? Pfff… Thurman doesn’t have the athleticism or skill of Lomachenko, so you get his version of the same tactic. Is what it is…

        • Ciscostudent561

          Casual fans say Thurman ran. Boxing fans say Garcia can’t cut off the ring.

        • Giuseppe

          Good points. But I can appreciate the talent and strategy without enjoying it. I can understand why he fought why he did. But if I’m honest it turns me off the guy in terms of an attraction just a little bit.not someone I’d now watch out for unless he was matched with a guaranteed action fighter like Spence or Crawford. Men with real bad intentions.

          • Koninbeor

            Cute how if you don’t celebrate something as a masterful work of art that a self-proclaimed hardcore fan likes, you suddenly become a casual fan without any evidence other than a difference of opinion, isn’t it?

          • Giuseppe

            Bascially, i am an animal.

          • Koninbeor

            George “The Animal” Steele?

  • IanF69

    Ehhh, did I just read” Keith was moving around too much”….what the fuck did Angel expect??….a Cardboard cut out to punch….Glad Thurman won but on that showing Brook and Spence are both better fighters.

  • Tony Nightstick

    Leonard is among the worst commentators in the business. His observations are lacking in substance, insight, and just plain relevance.

  • Giuseppe

    Two very modern fighters. By that I mean they were composed. Technical. Risk averse. Emotionless and rather boring. Thurman is good but nothing special imo. Neither guy can jab. The fight was devoid of the emotional investment that generates genuine engagement.

    This may sound dumb but thurman choice of ring music told me a lot. It told me what he thinks of himself. As if he has arrived as one of the greats. The way they both talk or have learned to talk about themselves… what they don’t realise is… in terms of being great… they haven’t even started. Thurman is looking back doing it ‘his way’ on a career that doesn’t really exist. What is he referring to…? He did it ‘his way’ in a points win against bundu?! Typical of today’s ‘legacy’ building self aggrandisement.

    Garcia is a limited fighter with a good chin. Again I find him hard to like because he has no personality in the ring. Their are plenty of boring fighters out the ring… but you have to give us something to hang on to during those rounds man.

    Neither guys seemed to want to throw until they heard the clack clack ten seconds left sound.

    Another thought… pacquaio is still better than these two… don’t you think? Even this bible thumping neutralised version of pacquaio, diminished as he is, has more aggression than these two combined.

    • kiowhatta

      A very apt characterisation of the premature prima donna, deemed a ‘great’ before their time. Neither guys have engaging personalities, Thurman’s tough guy persona is completely contrived.
      The risk with a ‘unification mega fight’, is because the rankings are so diluted, sometimes two revered, undefeated fighters just don’t have what it takes to produce a dominant performance.
      it’s more of a play it safe, wait for the perfect opportunity to counter mindset.

    • Stephen M

      Wasn’t the music some kind of a tribute to his dead trainer?

      • Giuseppe

        If so…. ignore me. I’m talking shit

        • Stephen M

          Well, they deserve some shit. Wasn’t much of a fight…

    • Boxfan

      Manny beats either one, yes. And on volume, just as you say.

      • kbryan

        Manny would not beat these guys. Manny Pac is 5’5″and almost 40 years old and both Garcia and Thurman are counter punchers. It would be entertaining but Pac would get crushed .

        • Phenoy

          I don’t think Pac will get ‘crushed’. Have you noticed how slow these two are? Pac is not the type anymore who just rushes in, he’s actually pretty cautious nowadays and pretty good defensively. I think he actually will outbox either of them easily.

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        • maxx

          I can see Thurman putting Manny to sleep and Manny completely bamboozling cement footed Garcia.Kudos

        • Julius Kent

          Get crushed? By what? By thurman’s back draft? If garcia learned something tonight, he should be booking some dancing lessons starting tomorrow.

        • Rude Boy

          You drunk? Margarito would blast Thurman and Garcia on the same night. Pacman even at 40 would toy with these two muppets.

    • Skyler

      Well said. I watched this and thought…”Where’s the fire?” It was all but gone after the first 30 seconds of the first round. It was an emotionless robotic affair. This is what happens now to these millennial “champs”. It no different than the real world. Everyone today is told they are special and deserve this and that. F-that!!!! This was prime time CBS. I’ll never forgive either fighter. Never liked Garcia anyway but I was very disappointed with Thurman (one of my favorite WWs). I thought he would be smart enough to actually put on a show. I think PAC could still decision either of these guys if he didn’t get caught too bad.

      • Jarell Moody

        I think the “spoiled millennial point of view” comes more from the modern boxing fan, and not the fighters…

        Thurman vs Porter could have been a clinch fest from Thurman to a boring decision, but he knew what he was up against, and chose to give the fans a show. Garcia is more dangerous than Porter, so Thurman boxed.

        Garcia vs Matthysse was exciting, and it was a counter puncher vs an aggressive fighter… Aggressive fighters are what bring counter punchers out of their shells.

        Nothing that goes on is new. The modern boxing fan, AKA the fan raised on the internet watching highlight videos on youtube simply have bad memories and like to complain…

      • Jarell Moody

        I think the “spoiled millennial point of view” comes more from the modern boxing fan, and not the fighters…

        Thurman vs Porter could have been a clinch fest from Thurman to a boring decision, but he knew what he was up against, and chose to give the fans a show. Garcia is more dangerous than Porter, so Thurman boxed.

        Garcia vs Matthysse was exciting, and it was a counter puncher vs an aggressive fighter… Aggressive fighters are what bring counter punchers out of their shells. A boxer like Thurman would be DUMB to do that.

        Nothing that goes on is new. The modern boxing fan, AKA the fan raised on the internet watching highlight videos on youtube simply have bad memories and like to complain… It’s the instant gratification age that millennials are constantly accused of

        • Fist_ti_cuffs

          Sadly enough it’s these old dudes that wanna see rockum sockum robot type fights and not highly skilled professionals. Both guys were game and really brought it. They’ed rather see two neanderthals give each other brain damage, than great boxing. Oh well, to each their own.

          • Mike M.

            When one guy is clearly out boxing his opponent, who clearly has limitations and doesn’t have a 2nd gear to change the course of the fight and that guy’s just countering, backing off and circling instead of closing the show like a real professional..it means he’s fighting like a pussy.

            It dont think it ever has anything to do with wanting guys to fight like neanderthals. Fighters who came before them set higher standards..and these modern “boxer punchers” just don’t deliver or try to raise the bar. Fans want more and honestly they have every right to demand more since they’re tickets sales are the ones paying fighters bills.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            So if he fights wildly like you guys want and gets KO’d which could have easily happened, you’d call him the dumbest fighter ever. You were gonna hate on this fight even if it was a KO. I would tell all you casuals that it’s called boxing. If you want lower level rockum sockum robot type stuff, go watch some old Kimbo bare knuckle fights and leave the boxing to the real fans.

          • Mike M.

            He didn’t have to fight wild to get the knockout. All he had to do was pick up the pace a little bit. If someone like Thurman’s gonna go out on a mic and bark about “knock outs forever” and play up his in ring persona then he deserves to be criticized when he pitches this sort of safety first fight. This was a high profile unification bout and he laid a dud.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            All fighters scream KO’s when trying to sell their fights, but we as consumers simply need to discern what is accurate and set our expectations appropriately. I believe the fight definitely lived up to it’s billing, as I accept these guys for who they are which sure as hell ain’t SRL or The Hitman.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            Man this was Thurman and Garcia. They are who they are………good young fighters. We all know they aren’t legends and as such shouldn’t be compared. I enjoyed the scrap and felt Keith fought an incredibly intelligent fight. I’m sure the number were good and I found it enjoyable. All of the comparisons to legends are just silly. Lets allow these two warriors to be who they are and establish their own legacies. If you know you can’t stomach watching them just don’t watch or comment. You can always just watch GB weekly streams. lol

          • Mike M.

            Thurman fought a good fight and I can appreciate that. I think he’s really good, I was hoping for a little more effort down the stretch and it just kind of put me to sleep. Don’t get me wrong Thurman’s no chump, I’d favor him against the rest of the top Welterweights in the world, Brook and Spence included. I didn’t agree with the Hearns vs Leonard comparisons, people made those same comparisons when Bradley and D. Alexander fought each other but those comparisons are always going to come up. This was a better fight than Bradley vs Alexander, it just sucked this fight between undefeated welterweights was also a bit lackluster for me at least. For the sake of being a bit more professional I don’t think it would have killed Thurman to do a little more, considering some of the great fights we’ve had the pleasure of watching recently. Its not his fault though, Garcia came in one dimensional and wasn’t exactly capable of doing anything more than he was doing. I was hoping Garcia would through a little more caution to the wind to make Thurman work a little more.

          • Jarell Moody

            Once more, Thurman and Garcia have both been in exciting fights. Against each other, their styles didn’t mesh in a way that brought excitement, but you’d know that going in if you understood boxing.

            It was, however, a high level, skillful boxing display. Garcia was able to keep Thurman honest with underrated defense, and the inherent heir of caution that comes with fighting a heavy handed counter puncher.

            Only casual fans call champion level fighters pussies. Thurman fought two of the best welterweights in the world one after the other, but somehow he’s a pussy because he didn’t entertain you… I guess Leonard his a pussy for ducking Hagler for 5 years before running around the ring for all but 30 seconds of every round. Or maybe Hearns is a pussy for deciding to box Leonard at a distance after getting hurt in order to preserve his lead…

            As I said before, none of this stuff is new… It’s the fans that have spoiled themselves with highlight videos.

          • Arjay Cee

            Hear, hear, Fisticuffs. The robot meme came to mind for me, too.

            MMA has all but ruined boxing in the way that video games have ruined movies: nobody’s patient, nobody wants build-up, everybody wants pyrotechnics from the get-go.

            And speaking of video games and movies, I thought Danny’s choice of the Jason-style hockey mask was pretty reeeee-diculous. But when he was in the ring, dude fought his heart out, skillfully, against a top competitor.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            That’s not entirely fair. MMA has plenty of snoozers with two guys taking turns sitting on each other or rolling around smelling each others armpits & crotches and it has its share of nerds who are enthusiastic about such action.

            I believe there is a lot of middle ground between “neanderthal” sluggfests and the friendly fencing session that played out on Saturday.

          • Arjay Cee

            Yes, I suppose MMA does have those duds. My point is more to the way it responds to the zeitgeist: 2017 wants instant karma. Better than boxing, MMA is tailored to decisive outcomes. Since these tend to be seen mainly in boxing mismatches, I suspect that as it struggles in competition with the far more lucrative UFC boxing is likely to feature more careers engineered for such (as witness Eubank Jr., Wilder and Canelo, to name but three protected stars).

            Speaking of unfairness, TC, was Thurman-Garcia really as bad as friendly fencing? As a former foil and sometime épée fencer, I thought it looked a lot crueler. Keith couldn’t hurt rock-jawed Danny for all his trying; Danny could hurt him, so he hit on the run.

          • Zachary Knox

            I don’t think it is rockum sockum robots they want I think it is they want to see that passion that spark that made good fighters great and great legendary. They don’t risk.

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            Ok, if you don’t think there is going to be fireworks, don’t watch. Problem solved.

    • mark elding

      You just summarised why I have gradually descended into casual fandom of contemporary boxing. Still passionate about a few – Lomachenko, Chocolatito, Golovkin – but I’m only really hardcore in terms of classic youtube boxing videos.

      Modern boxing, as a whole, is just a monumental letdown. I didn’t even need to see Thurman-Garcia, the reports and opinions I’ve read just confirmed what I believed would happen. And now I probably eon’t even bother.

      • Stephen M

        I’m becoming less and less interested… Thurman and Garcia are both pretty good but hey don’t fight often enough to be really good at what they do and they don’t have that mean streak or intensity that can make a fight compelling.

      • Arjay Cee

        Surely a mistake, Mark. It’s a solid, competitive, thinking fan’s match.

        • mark elding

          It’s just the constant, over-bearing, overrating of current fighters and fights that grates with me, Arjay. The continual branding of good fighters as great fighters, the branding of good matchups as great matchups. People are so desperate to see ‘greatness’ when there is none, they lower their standards alarmingly.
          You described the match yourself as ‘solid’, a description I would agree with. Honestly, there is so little genuine depth at elite level today it’s scary.
          Ray Leonard obviously tried to build some hype before the fight, which further added to the letdown. In fact, I’m not sure Thurman and Garcia are superior to the best contenders Leonard fought before he even won the title – Tony Chiaverini, Pete Ranzany and Andy Price.

          • Jarell Moody

            Just one fight ago, Thurman and Porter went to war. It’s annoying to hear how “in boxing, the best don’t fight the best anymore”, but when the fights do happen, and it ends up being a skillful display, they still complain… Then when they do it’s actually exciting, like Thurman-Porter, or Garcia-Matthyse, or Frampton-Santa Cruz, they… IDK… Forget that they happened?

            Is what it is I guess… The sport is called boxing, so it should be reasonable that some boxing happens in the sport… But maybe I’m the crazy one…

          • mark elding

            The excitement factor was not my point of issue, more one of overall quality.
            The problem is that the best of today comprises an awful lot of fighters who are merely good, of which Thurman is one.
            Ask yourself how that particular undefeated, unified champ would have fared in the Whitaker, Trinidad, Quartey, DeLaHoya era?

          • Jarell Moody

            Well throw Quartey, De La Hoya, Trinidad, and Whitaker in there during the Fab 4 era, and even the best of them would amount to mid-tier contenders. That’s pretty much how it’s always been.

            Guys like Errol Spence, Kell Brook, and Terrance Crawford show serious promise as potential greats in the future in that weight class.

          • Arjay Cee

            Well put, and I agree with your criticism.

            I’m sure you’re right about the level of ability in that ring last Saturday vs. what Ray Leonard faced coming up. That said I still enjoy a good scrap between equals, which for my money Thurman-Garcia decidedly was. Let me stress: as a freebie only. Lord knows the commercials had me regretting signing up for a free trial of CBS All Access to stream the fight (which I promptly canceled afterward).

    • Charlie U.

      Good post but the ring entrance music was definitely a tribute to his late trainer.

      • Giuseppe

        My bad.

    • Fist_ti_cuffs

      You should definitely watch their fight again. Thurman set a blistering pace early that he would have been stupid to try and maintain. He did exactly what we thought he would do and is now a unified champ. Danny for all of his heart, is slow of foot and doesn’t always use combination punching. Having said that I enjoyed their fight and wouldn’t mind seeing it again. It was absolutely unfair to use Hearns vs SRL as a backdrop as that was one of the best fights ever by two ATG’s. Neither of these guys are at that level and they may never reach those heights, but they are both proud, skillful and genuinely good dudes. Kudos to both and lets hope that others see this unification and decide to step up and follow suit.

      • Giuseppe

        I’m glad you enjoyed it man. The lack of emotion and aggression left me cold. But maybe I expected too much because to watch it live in had to get up at 3am. There was just a lack of…. sizzle, if you know what I mean?

    • Arjay Cee

      Voting you up because that is a really well-expressed opinion, Giuseppe, even if I don’t agree with all of it!

      I loved the fight. A cerebral match between two sharp pros with just enough action and a lot of finesse. When I want rock-’em-sock-’em robots, I look further down the boxing food chain. What’s growing clear about Thurman is his style has evolved to protect his vulnerabilities; he still throws hella more than Mayweather.

  • maxx

    Danny got completely exposed as being the slow footed plodder I always thought of him to be, the truth is Herrera, Peterson and too an extent Morales in the first fight exposed his many flaws……I wonder were the Danny the “Cameeleeoon”” was hiding or is he a figment of the limited imagination of ignorant clown Angel Garcia.

    • IanF69

      I’d reckon both Brook and Spence would deal with Thurman and Garcia…..for all the talk of the Welter division being strong both of these fighters looked average and if an ageing Manny does the business against Khan then I would put him above Thurman and Garcia as well….Cheers M8

      • maxx

        I think a healthy Brook would be favourite over both chaps and Spence may well stop Thurman as for Manny he might be a bit too small to absorb the shots for a heavy handed puncher like Thurman.Kudos Ian

        • IanF69

          You could say that both Cotto and DLH were a lot more heavy handed than Manny but he took both of their best shots and came through..I know he is not the same fighter as he was then but he still has the better fundamentals than what I watched last night..it was really disappointing for what was meant to be top tier Welters….and I hope you enjoyed the Haye/Bellew fight. Cheers m8.

          • Giuseppe

            Agree 100%. Pacquaio would out point them both and land double th3 shots.

          • maxx

            That Manny was a force of nature yet we have to remember Oscar was a “dead man walking” and Cotto came in at 145lb, 2 pounds can potentially alter the dynamics of a fight, however Cotto did look strong, so who knows …….In regards to Haye and Bellew, I was out with the girlfriend, I honestly expected Haye to dispatch Bellew within 3 rounds, how wrong was I LOL.Kudos Ian

          • Ciscostudent561

            Roflz I love when ppl bring up Mannys Oscar fight like it was some monumental victory. Oscar walked in lookin like a science experiment gon wrong.

          • maxx

            Oscar was completely done before he even entered the ring, the version of Oscar that fought Camacho would have jabbed Manny’s head off.Kudos

        • Stephen M

          A lot of those heavy shots by Thurman are telegraphed so much I could get out of the way.

          • Giuseppe

            Yep. He literally stops moving and winds it up! I think even now pacquaio would be in and out landing three shots everyone no time thurman plants his feet

          • maxx

            He does have that tendency, though he has a very decent check hook and he throws shots from different angles but indeed that overhand right is very telegraphed. Kudos Stephen.

          • Stephen M

            He does some things very well but sometimes he looks raw. I know I’m repeating myself but these guys have to fight more often…

        • Giuseppe

          I don’t think thurman is very heavy handed. No more so than cotto… or margarito… or odlh. I think he had natural power at 140 but hasn’t worked on it.

          • maxx

            I was not aware that Thurman has fought at 140lb, I know he has competed at 154lb where he took Paul Williams conqueror Carlos Quintana out, perhaps his power has dissipated due to him struggling to make 147lb, who knows, I think he has more one shot power than all those guys with the exception of Oscar who I believe had more power in that left hook than Thurman does in his, one of the reasons for this is Oscar was a converted southpaw.Kudos

          • Giuseppe

            Sorry wrong weight…. my bad

          • Fist_ti_cuffs

            As all of fighters face better opposition their KO’s go down substantially. I just wish all these whiny guys would enjoy what they have before them instead of wishing for yesteryear. That was a good fight for free and you’d think these guys shelled out 75 bucks or something. This fight was better than Manny’s last 6 fights and all f those were ppv.

      • Fist_ti_cuffs

        Spence maybe, but Brook hasn’t done anything to prove otherwise. Time will tell though.

    • Jack Rabbit

      Completely agree on those fights. Especially the Morales fight . A younger fresher Morales wins by UD or maybe stoppage. And Herrera? If only he had some power he would of been a major player at 135/ 140.

      • maxx

        A younger fresher Morales who would have correctly built his self into 140lb would have taken Garcia to school seven days of the week, in fact I scored that fight 114-113 to Garcia, I had Garcia edging Erik out due to that knockdown that occurred due to the silly ruling of the WBC that judges scores had to be released throughout the fight, the damn judges were giving every thing to Garcia despite Erik outjabbing him and breaking Garcia’s nose, Erik had to go for the knockout and as a result he walked full whack into a hook which Danny torqued his entire body into, yet the great man got up and used his superior craft to clear his head and move away from trouble.Kudos Jack

  • Colin Mc Flurry.

    Thurman clearly won. Garcia showed his own limitations. he his to one paced and doesn’t know how to cut the ring off, he does have an excellent chin, Thurman hit him with some very meaty shots in the early rounds.

    • Julio

      That left hook in the first round might have discombobulated just about anyone else from their senses, but Garcia shook it off like it wasn’t much.

  • Left Hook

    No surprises. Without a lucky punch (khan) or headbutt (Matthyse) or 2 judges (Herrera, Peterson), Garcia was, well, nothing special. And “one punch at at time’ Thurman….has looked that way for 2 years. Glad the champs fought. Too bad they are what they are…uninspiring..

    • Jarell Moody

      Anybody paying attention knows Spence vs Brook is the real 1 vs 2 of the division anyway… Can’t wait for Crawford to come up and match these guys

  • Tcd Autosale

    You all cry and complain no matter who’s matched up in the ring. Two undefeated fighters in their primes climbed into the ring and matched their skills against one another. You can’t be mad at that. The lack of so call action is valid in some of the later rounds, but there was some great rounds as well.

    I for one love 50/50 toss up fights where the winner is basically determined before the bell rings to start the match (cough cough “drama show”coug). You all love that, but Bitch about this.

    • Jorge

      It just wasn’t a good fight, and if it was you would be saying that it was fight of the year. You overhype anything pbc does but this fight did not deliver. Everyone appreciates two undefeated fighters stepping into the ring but call it was it is, an ok fight.

    • Left Hook

      Yep…’drama show’ is predetermined because he is the best. What is more important is that he is entertaining, and even goes out of his way to make it a fight. I call that determined and gutsy. Two guys waiting to counterpunch…if DISH hadn’t canceled the ‘watch paint drying channel’ I would have been tempted to flip stations. I am glad they faced each other, but the fight was about what I expected from these 2 guys…an entertainment flop. Now they will wonder why they don’t get $2M for their next fight after failing to deliver in their prime-time spot.

    • Charlie U.

      Connor, no one had a problem with the matchup and EVERYONE loves 50-50 fights. This fight didn’t deliver in the ring but we appreciate and respect both guys for making the fight.

  • Ciscostudent561

    Garcia has no idea how to set up his offense or cut off the ring. If you’re not coming straight at him you’ll make him look totally avg.
    Thurman took his foot off the pedal for two reasons. First once he got the lead he didn’t wanna continue putting himself in a position to get caught by Danny’s no look. He continues his tear that he began I think Danny eventually catches him.
    Reason 2 is Danny has no seek and destroy offense. None. Zip. Can’t cut off the ring, Disguise his punches, maul his opponent- nothing. He was lost

    • Boxfan

      Bingo. How is it that the ww champion of the world can’t cut off the ring on a guy WHO IS ALREADY BACKING UP. Two steps to the right and come forward behind the jab, “swift.” Push him into the ropes and let your hands go.

      Damn, I got frustrated watching that shit. Sounds like you did, too.

      • kbryan

        Its counter punching vs counter punching which is always difficult to watch. I was at the fight last night . it was very pro Garcia, Many of his fans drove up from Philly to support him. The first round was electric and just faded into a chess match. But the place was packed!! There was a lot of interest in this fight. A couple a fights in the stands the usual stuff lol.

        • darumax

          I watched the BoxNation feed. Bunce said the place was half-empty.

      • Ciscostudent561

        Yea it was annoying seeing a fighter on the biggest stage not able to do such basic things. Props to Thurman tho, good game plan that he executed to perfection.

  • Nixtradamus

    Garcia is plodding and mediocre. He was the recipient of stolen decisions against Peterson and the Mexican guy in Puerto Rico,

    Thurman won this fight by at least 4 points.

    • Julio

      No surprises to be honest. Thurman was simply too good and versatile for Garcia to deal with. Still, Danny is pretty decent while in close with those counters but his footwork is awful and can’t put his combinations together well. If he at the very least can resolve his footwork maladies, he could still make some noise.

  • Shawn

    Thurman growing up on those ruff and tumble streets of Clearwater must have made the difference.

    • Rick

      Some of those senior citizens and tourists can be vicious.

      • Shawn

        You can also trip over those pink plastic flamingos – very dangerous.

        • Left Hook

          come on now…those Disney characters are a LOT bigger in real life than they appear on TV..

          • Shawn

            I once hooked up with a extremely good looking merrmaid at one of the Disney parks in Florida. That’s when I was young, buff and good looking – now I’d be lucky to do a clown at a carnival.

  • Colnef

    Keith could have won more convincingly but the right man won nonetheless. Danny showed a good chin because that first round assault from Thurman was wicked.

  • himmler adams

    Danny was a great opponent for Thurman. Thurman clearly was the better boxer but Danny hung in there tough. Thurman won the fight outright and was the better boxer. Danny might need to fight Porter or Broner and work hios way back up the ladder. No rematch needed as Thurman won outright and out classed Danny. Let Angel moan and curse.

  • himmler adams

    Danny careful Garcia lost the fight by a wider margin than 15-13. The judge who had Danny winning should be fired.

  • KillaBlu

    Shades of De La Hoya v Trinidad and Crawford v Postol. Thurman won but chose not to do it in spectacular fashion.

    • Julio

      Thurman realized that he couldn’t hurt Danny and even though he outboxed him clearly, Garcia is still pretty dangerous with those counters when in close.

    • Jarell Moody

      Win now, look good later. Thurman was winning, it’s Garcia’s job to change the pace of the fight

  • Bob Patterson

    I was a bit disappointed by the crowd boos. The fight was cautious most of the time but Thurman is a thinking man’s boxer. He saw a win and took it the safest way he could. These are 2 extremely skilled fighters. Really impressed by Garcia’s jaw. He just didn’t seem tobe able to let his hands go, and of course that had everything to do with Thurman’s movement. I’m not disappointed with the fight at all. Lots of good boxing and the kind of anticipatory tension I like in a fight. Plus….FREE! Now on to GGG and Jacobs.

  • Shawn

    I thought it to be pretty good fight and one with a great deal of significant meaning – no complaints from me. Solid card.

  • Jay

    Toxic comment section as usually. I thought it was a good fight. A strategic fight. PBC strikes again with boxing on prime time national TV.

    • Julio

      It was a decent fight that went down as expected. Technical tilt with some moments of action, but not very entertaining or compelling overall.

  • Jeffrey Wilsey

    I have no problem with a fighter doing what he has to do to win, but I hate when Thurman talks like he’s gonna catch a body before the fight only to run the Boston Marathon during the fight.

    • Jarell Moody

      When you have KO power, you’re allowed to talk about potentially KOing your opponent. But when you can’t do it, it is what it is…

      • Julio

        He has KO power indeed, but his Floydesque style of fighting of late is not conducive to them.

        • Jarell Moody

          Of late? Did you watch his last fight? It was a war… I swear boxing fans have bad memories…

  • Paul Kelly

    If this is the best PBC can offer, then it’s probably best for boxing to stick with the Top Rank-Golden Boy status quo. Yet another night in the national spotlight in which boxing stubbed its toe, just like Mayweather-Pacquiao.

    • Left Hook

      For some reason it seems promoters/networks do not always ‘get it’ when it comes to matchmaking. Neither of the fighters in the main event are ‘must-see’ TV. I don’t think knowledgeable fans expected fireworks, and none were delivered. I do like that the PBC fighters are stepping up to face each other. Fights are hit and miss, and this one just missed.

    • Jarell Moody

      That is pure propaganda… They pay you to say that? Did you miss Thurman vs Porter last year? There are plenty of exciting fights on the PBC… It’s just that fights at the highest level are RARELY exciting, which is the misconception of the casual fan…

      Skillful fighters aren’t gonna beat each other in the head for 12 rounds.

  • Mariano Alonso

    over 5 “tune up fights” for this?? come on… no more “tune up fights”.. for the good of boxing..

    • Jarell Moody

      In the magical world of the internet where we get to watch their fights on YouTube, skipping all the tune-up fights of the ATG’s of the past, and pretend they fought each other one after the other with no questions asked all the time…

      People forget, for example, that it took Ray Leonard over 5 years to fight Marvin Hagler… Or that Tyson flat out ducked Lewis until it didn’t matter anymore…

      This is boxing, and this has always been boxing. The problem isn’t boxing…

  • Jarell Moody

    Man you ring writers are little bitches. Boxing at the highest level isn’t going to be wars.

    Leonard vs Hearns was only made exciting by the fact that Hearns was the superior fighter but had a glass jaw. Before Leonard discovered he could hurt him, he was dancing around the ring getting jabbed in the face doing very little. If Hearns had Hagler’s chin, that’s how the fight would have been until Hearns either stopped him or all the way to a one-sided decision.

    And let’s talk about Oscar vs Trinidad. That fight was supposed to be Leonard vs Hearns all over again. And we all saw Oscar, owner of Ring Magazine, and opponent of Al Haymor, RUN for 12 rounds. Only difference is he managed to punch a few times a round in the first 9.

    Garcia is a plodding, catch and shoot, counter puncher with power, Thurman is a Roy-Jones-esque athletic boxer puncher. We all know counter puncher vs boxer is going to be a tactical fight 10/10 times. If you expected Thurman vs Porter, you’re dumb.

    • Charlie U.

      Thurman is Roy Jones-esque???? I’ve never blocked anyone before on this board but the sheer ridiculousness of this comment and others that you’ve made has me seriously thinking about it.

      • Julio

        Hey, at least they are both from Florida, thus they still have something in common nonetheless, LOL.

      • Jarell Moody

        Well, Chuck, you see… Boxing is a sport with many styles, and many fighter share similar styles.

        Roy’s style was one that lacked grounded fundamentals, and relied heavily on his athleticism. Which is why older Roy keeps getting KO’d by mediocre opposition. Thurman is similar.

        Little of their offense comes off a jab, and is mostly made up of power shots (especially hooks) and counter punches reliant on superior speed and power. His defense relies mostly on reflexes, and his ability to pull away and/or duck in time.

        See, Chuck? They have similar styles!

        Feel free to block me, but you risk missing out on a boxing education. Think about it…

    • Rick

      Who are you again?

  • Jarell Moody

    Man you ring writers are little bitches. Boxing at the highest level isn’t going to be wars.

    Leonard vs Hearns was only made exciting by the fact that Hearns was the superior fighter but had a glass jaw. Before Leonard discovered he could hurt him, he was dancing around the ring getting jabbed in the face doing very little. If Hearns had Hagler’s chin, that’s how the fight would have been until Hearns either stopped him or all the way to a one-sided decision.

    And let’s talk about Oscar vs Trinidad. That fight was supposed to be Leonard vs Hearns all over again. And we all saw Oscar, owner of Ring Magazine, and opponent of Al Haymor, RUN for 12 rounds. Only difference is he managed to punch a few times a round in the first 9.

    Garcia is a plodding, catch and shoot, counter puncher with power, Thurman is a Roy-Jones-esque athletic boxer puncher. We all know counter puncher vs boxer is going to be a tactical fight 10/10 times. If you expected Thurman vs Porter, you’re dumb.

  • Nice fight while it was competitive. No need for a rematch, Thurman will beat him easier. I can’t figure some of u bitches out: had Thurman slowed down and Danny landed something that ended the fight, then u geniuses would have suggested that Thurman was up on points and should have moved more! Let these kids live! We don’t want them to worry about “Legacy”, but we critique every single decision they make. Awesome match-ups on free tv! Way to go Boxing! Way to go Al!

  • Don Badowski

    No, this was a good fight. No, it didn’t live up to the hype, but they rarely do. I’m sure I’ll watch it again to pick out the technical aspects of it. I do agree that Thurman is getting risk adverse.

  • william ellis

    Overall, Thurman threw more punches, landed more punches, landed more jabs, and landed more power punches. In terms of rounds, he outlanded Garcia in 9 of them. Close fight, but I think it should have been a unanimous decision. http://www.boxingscene.com/keith-thurman-vs-danny-garcia-compubox-punch-stats–114258

  • Ignacio Ortiz

    Good but not great fight and I had Thurman winning this one 8-4 and that’s with him doing very little in rounds 11 and 12. i agree with people who say these two fighters are good but not great in terms of action and skill but its no surprise that Thurman fought this way he hasn’t been the same fighter since Soto Karass hurt him in their fight and Collazo hit him with a hellacious body shot he has become alot more cautious fighter who moves and boxes instead of going for the KO. Garcia is a solid fighter who I felt always had his limitations and yes he beat some name fighters but alot of decision wins instead of KO’s except for Khan,Morales and Malinaggi. Garcia was too cautious in his approach and Thurman fought extremely cautious at the end when he was sitting on a lead. I don’t think a rematch is necessary because neither man will do anything different to make it a better fight.

  • Mike M.

    *Yawn* The fight was okay. I don’t want to watch a rematch, I’m also pretty uninterested in anything these two do in the near future. I’ve never seen two boxer punchers with their reputations suck the fun out of an event as bad as they did. Thurman’s got a good mouth piece but his fake “bad ass” persona’s worn thin on me, he needs to just stfu from here on out. Garcia isn’t much different in that regard, they both looked like a couple pleebs in that ring. I got no love for either of these fools.

    • Julio

      I don’t see Thurman playing the “bad ass” card here. He is just a brash and confident kid.

  • Dee Money

    I really don’t get the hate for Thurman. Garcia did nothing for the first half of the fight and Thurman built an insurmountable lead (well except in the eyes of the unbiased); he then coasted to a victory.
    This is no different than an NFL team taking a knee, or an NBA team dribbling out the clock. But now we try to blame him for not making a fight? He made plenty of a fight for most of the night, his opponent did not.

    • Charlie U.

      NFL teams don’t begin taking a knee at the start of the second half.

      • Dee Money

        No, but if they have a big enough led theyll just run Dive and Iso, even if they were throwing smash combos and NCAA routes to get the lead. Same premise.

        • Charlie U.

          One huge difference is that boxing is a sport in which the competitors have no idea what the score is during the fight. It’s one thing to sit on a lead when you know there is a lead. Unlike the NFL or any other major sport, there is no scoreboard to look up to. Boxers can’t compete that way, and those that do often pay the price for it (De La Hoya being the most obvious example).

          • Dee Money

            True, but you in the case last night Thurman was clearly leading by enough (save for in the eyes of one questionable judge) that only by making a mistake could he lose the contest. Its the exact same premise.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            I thought he had a big lead too, however fights with such light action lend themselves to questionable scoring, and knowing Garcia’s history of getting the breaks on the scorecards it’s tough to figure Thurman feeling that comfortable down the stretch.

      • Dee Money

        Moreover, to act as if Thurman did nothing but run for the last half of the fight (rds 7-12) is a mistake.

        • Charlie U.

          He averaged 10 landed punches a round between the the 7th and 12th.

          • Dee Money

            He landed 35 punches in rds 4-6, as opposed to 33 from rds 7-10. He threw more punches in rds 7-9 then he did in rds 4-6. His output didnt all of a sudden decrease at the halfway point; it decreased after rd 3 and then in rd 11 (when he knew it was in the bag).
            You can’t just pick rd 6 as being an arbitrary point at when he said I got the lead I am gonna pull off the gas, because thats not what happened. He came out like a ball of fire for the first 3 rds, then settled into a slower tempo (one befitting someone who is going to have to box for 12 rds), it really wasnt until the last couple rds that he completely sat on the lead….which is fine.

          • Jarell Moody

            REASON WILL PREVAIL!!! I notice feisty chuck up there hasn’t come back yet… Hopefully he does… He gives such interesting insight.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      I don’t blame him too much. Garcia was more culpable, he chose to accept losing in small increments without getting hurt, unlike Shawn Porter who took risks to force a more exciting and genuinely competitive fight.

      I can’t fault Thurman for taking the shortest, straightest path to victory, but if holding both fighters to the standard of this fights’ hype, I could say I wished for a little more offensive creativity and a little more daring to “run up the score” here & there.

  • Julius Kent

    Floyd took out a gun and run. While running he shot boxing in the head. Boxing with a gaping hole in its head refused to die simply because some fans will watch it do anything or nothing inside the ring.

    Floyd is still running followed closely by young imitators. To the bank. Effin losers.

  • Michel Desgrottes

    It was a good fight

    • Charlie U.

      Nah

    • Ten Count Toronto

      It was good sparring.

  • RT

    Shit article. Another hit piece on the PBC. If you want SRL’s opinion why not just ask him rather than assuming what he must think? Aren’t you a journalist? I enjoyed the fight. The crowd’s booing was more a reflection of the ignorance of crowds’ (especially American crowds) than the fight’s poor quality. Why would any boxing fan want to see 2 skilled, world class guys leave all their training at the door and just swing for knockouts like pub fighters? Lastly, I’ve never heard anyone describe DSG’s personality as “compelling”. I think you mean Angel.

  • Skins

    I can’t understand these guys. National tv, huge spotlight, they should be letting it all hang out. Nowadays winning sometimes is not enough, you have to win with flair and do something to make yourself stand out and make people want to see you again. Thurman talks about being a ppv star, does he think people are going to pay for his fights after what he did on saturday? I wouldn’t