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Dougie's FAT Friday mailbag

Posted Nov. 20, 2009 at 02:07am

By Doug Fischer

2010 WISH LIST

Hey Doug,
I know Andre Ward has a very tough challenge ahead against Mikkel Kessler, but I believe he's the real deal. Ward is my guy in the Super 6 all the way.

Manny Pacquiao TKO's Floyd Mayweather inside of 9 rounds. The relentless pressure and body attack will be to much for the Prima Donna reality star.

To all Erik Morales fans, imagine how much sweeter his victory over Pacquiao would have been today had he hung up the gloves after what I feel was his last hoorah. That would of been sweet.

Is it too early to ask for your Dream Fight wish list for 2010?

Thanks for your time Doug, keep up the great work. -- Jorge, San Diego

Off the top of my head, Pacquiao is in three of my top 10 dream fights for 2010:

Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, the Mosley-Berto winner, and “my son”.

David Haye vs. Tomasz Adamek and Chris Arreola.

Kelly Pavlik vs. Paul Williams and Bute-Andrade winner (at 168 pounds)

Valero vs. the Bradley-Peterson winner and JM Marquez (at 140 pounds).

Chris John vs. Hozumi Hasegawa (at 126 pounds -- this one is really just an excuse to travel to Japan, although it‘s an interesting scrap that could happen).

I don’t think Morales’ decision to continue fighting after his win over Pacquiao diminishes his legacy. Besides, their three-fight series was good for boxing and it developed Pacquiao’s technique and popularity considerably.

Dare I say that without El Terrible the Pac-monster wouldn’t exist as we know and love him today.
If Pacquiao makes good on your prediction in the Mayweather fight it’s because he was humbled enough after the Morales loss to allow Freddie Roach to be the boss in the gym and begin to mold him into a more-complete fighter.

I’m picking Kessler by competitive but unanimous decision tomorrow night but I won’t mind being wrong on this one as Ward is one of my favorite fighters. Regardless of the outcome, I think we’re going to be treated to a high-level boxing match.


KESSLER-WARD WEIGH-IN

Dougie,
Do you know where and when the weigh-in for Saturday's fight will be, and if it will be open to the public? You're doing great work and I love The Ring’s website. Thanks. -- J.F. Mercado

Thanks for the kind words about the website, J.F. The weigh-in will be held at the Oakland Hilton Airport Hotel and it starts at 2 p.m. PT. Kessler and Ward will step onto the scales a little after 3 p.m. I’m not sure if it’s open to the public but if you live in the Bay Area and you can get away from work or school it probably won’t hurt to come by and find out. I’ll be there.

WELTER-SKELTER

Dougie,
I just looked at the rankings and literally said "WHAT?!" like the fat lady from Bruno when she found out he traded his iPod for a baby. I thought it was bad enough having Mayweather ranked number two after the Marquez fight, but how did Pacquiao leap-frog Mayweather and Mosley with wins over De La Hoya and Cotto?

In a P4P argument, that's fine but divisional rankings mean something. Mosley has been doing his thing at this weight for almost ten years, and although Mayweather was ranked too high in my opinion, he still has had more fights at this weight, fighting the former champ one fight after he was upset (Judah) then going on to fight the real champion (Baldomir).

This is really upsetting, and I'm sure it is to some other fans. The fans and ESPN turn to this magazine and website for our official rankings. The RING Champions are held to the highest standard to win this belt, and it makes things so much better when someone asks "Who's the champion?" and we can point to one guy with no "ifs, ands, or buts."

The worst part is that The Ring will probably let Mayweather-Pacquiao be for it's welterweight title. It's not fair to the Sugarman to be overlooked like that.

PS- Andre Ward wins the upset. -- Homer, Oxford, OH

We’ll see about that upset special, Homer. I like Kessler but I won’t count Ward out. He might be one of those special boxers who can make a quantum leap when he steps up his level of competition.

Regarding THE RING Editorial Board’s decision to install Pacquiao as the No. 1 welterweight, I agree that two fights above 140 isn’t enough to merit that top spot no matter how impressive his domination of Cotto was. I agree with Dan Rafael‘s welterweight rankings on ESPN.com, which has Mosley No. 1 and Pacquiao No. 2.

However, I can see where the Editorial Board and the members of the Ratings Panel who wanted Pac at No. 1 were coming from. They probably weren’t factoring Mosley’s welterweight title run from 2000-2002 because that’s going back too far, and I’m fine with that reasoning, personally. I’ve always taken a ‘what-have-you-done-for-me-lately?’ stance on divisional rankings. And Pac dominated a guy who beat Mosley in 2007. I have some issue with this line of thinking because I think Mosley faced a stronger, fresher version of Cotto than Pacquiao did.

When THE RING made Mayweather the No. 2 welterweight after the Marquez fight I had a big problem with that move. Not because Mayweather was No. 2 but because he was placed ahead of Cotto without A) beating the man, or B) having equaled his accomplishments at welterweight. I have less of a problem with Pacquiao’s placement because he dominated his two welterweight opponents, and I’m more impressed with his TKOs of De La Hoya and Cotto than Mayweather’s decisions over Judah and Baldomir. (I could care less if Judah was the former RING champ and Baldomir was the reigning RING champ, the New Yorker is a head case and Baldomir just plain sucked.) I think it’s debatable if Mosley’s recent welterweight fights (The Antonio Margarito KO, the decision over Luis Collazo, and the competitive Cotto loss) are better than Pac’s welter-wins. I think Mosley has the edge but an argument can be made to the contrary.

Anyway, for all you nitwits out there who say THE RING is biased for Golden Boy fighters, please note who promotes Mosley and who promotes Pacquiao.


RING TITLE QUESTION

Quick question: Have you asked the higher-ups at Ring if the potential Mayweather-Pacquiao bout would be for The Ring welterweight championship? Or would Mosley be in the way? Would they wait until after Mosley's fight with Berto to decide? Thanks. -- Will, Raleigh, NC

I think it’s a safe bet that they’ll wait to see what happens with Mosley-Berto. That’s not a “gimme” fight for Sugar Shane.

DREAM FIGHT SPLIT

Dougie,
I'm not gonna waste my time with explanations about the split between Pacquiao and Mayweather. One camp believes they're the best thing since sliced bread; the other thinks they're all that and a bag of chips.

45-45 split, with the winner getting the remaining 10. -- Patrick DeCarlo, Miami, FL

That makes sense to me. Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports proposed the same thing in a recent column.

I don’t think we’ll ever see elite fighters agree to a winner-take-all type split, especially when they have the ego of Mayweather or the mentality of Pacquiao’s promoter.

But who knows? Maybe there’s a big enough pot for this matchup that both sides won’t mind parity. I certainly hope so. Even if they can agree on the money split there are other major points of contention, such as the weight, which will not be settled easily.


RANDOM THOUGHTS ON THE BIG FIGHT

Ello Doug,
Found myself writing to you again while caught up in the aftermath of Pacman Fever and Pacquiao-Mayweather mania. I think no matter what happens, the fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
will push through because of the pressure on both sides and ultimately because of the money involved. Here are my random thoughts on Mayweather-Pacquiao or Pacquiao-Mayweather:

1. Fight Name: DOMINANCE or POUND FOR POUND
2. Fight Purse: 60%-40% of the total Boxers' Guaranteed Purse. 60% for the winner
3. Fight Weight: 146 lbs catch weight and 1 mil. per pound in excess. Expect Mayweather to be at 147 at weight-in though. Or what the heck, make it 147 and give Mayweather the advantage just to make it more entertaining.
4. Fight Clause: Excessive penalty if bout is postponed for ANY reason.
Mayweather might do it on purpose to disturb the training of the other fighter.
5. Fight Belt: The Ring Welterweight Belt. (I would rather ignore all the other belts, it's just one of those things that is killing boxing today.)
6. Fight Location: it won't matter for as long as its huge and in the US. MGM is not big enough though. New York Stadium is okay, how about for you Doug?
7. Fight Contract: Contract signing should be made as soon as possible to keep the people buzzing and interested and to further build up the fight anticipation.
8. Fight Schedule: March or July 2010. Pacquiao most probably can't fight on May or June because election in the Phil is May 10, 2010. Factor in the
two months training period then we are left with July 2010 or August 2010.

This one can turn up to be the fight of the decade or the marathon of the decade, just the same I'm interested. -- Junx

You’re not alone.

Some thoughts on your random thoughts:
1. I’m sure “Pound-for-pound” will be somewhere in the title for this fight.
2. I think there would need to be at least $50 million the table for either side to agree to this kind of setup. Fans love the winner-bonus incentive, fighters … mmmm, not so much.
3. I think the contracted weight is going to be a major stumbling block to this fight. Roach might call for a 145-pound catchweight and Mayweather won’t go along with that.
4. I LIKE that idea! There’s nothing worse than big-fight postponements.
5. Thanks for the support but there are many fight fans who would be pissed off if THE RING belt was on the line for this fight because Mosley is the No. 2 contender and Mayweather is No. 3.
6. Do you mean Yankee Stadium? To be honest, I prefer the fight to be in an indoor arena.
7. I agree.
8. Manny should be ready to go as early as May, he needs to put his political ambitions away until he’s done with boxing.

RING RATINGS

My #1 problem with your ranking Pacquiao at #1 for welterweights is that he has never had a welterweight fight! The welterweight limit is 147 lbs. How can you be #1 at the 147 lb division if you have never had a 147 lb fight? It doesn't make any sense to me. I think people are overblowing Pacquiao's accomplishments. If he fights a true fight at 147 and beats anybody in the top 5 then I will say go ahead and rank him. If you want to put him #1 pound for pound that is fine but the #1 welterweight has to be Shane Mosley. -- Marlon

I wont’ argue with your opinion that Mosley should be the No. 1 welterweight, however, you’re dead wrong about Pacquiao not having any fights at welterweight.

The welterweight LIMIT is 147 pounds, but the division starts at 141 pounds. Every time Pacquiao has weighed over 140 pounds he’s been a welterweight. He was 142 pounds for De La Hoya and 144 for Cotto.

It’s impossible over-blow PacMan’s accomplishments. The man won the lineal flyweight title, currently holds the lineal and RING 140-pound championship, and just won a welterweight belt. That’s mind-boggling s__t, pal.


NO COMPARISON

Hey Doug,
I know you like them short and sweet, so all I will say is this: I have seen both Floyd Mayweather (vs. De La Hoya) and Manny Pacquiao (vs. Cotto) live, each in their biggest, richest, most-viewed competitive showcases. And I'll let you guess who impressed me more. While Floyd tapdanced and dully played it safety-first against the same old and past-his-prime De La Hoya that Pacquiao annihilated only a year-and-a-half later, Manny outfought and beat-up the same prime Cotto that everybody knows Floyd retired rather than fight in 2008.

Floyd may be the better schooled, but Manny is now every bit as intelligent, athletic, and fast as he is. Only he has two times the set of cajones, is five times as explosive, and has ten times the heart. Plus, competition tells. Compare Manny and Floyd's resumes the last decade. That will make the difference when they fight. Mark my words. All the best. -- CM

I agree. Despite his fame and wealth, Pacquiao hasn’t forgot his roots and still fights with the passion of hungry kid from the Third World, only he’s added a lot of technique to that fire in recent years. Bad news for Floyd, who’s been on a self-imposed vacation since getting stressed out by a slow-as-molasses Jose Luis Castillo.

LATEST RING RANKINGS

Hey Dougie,
Quick note on the updated rankings: I find it odd and unsettling that Manny Pacquiao is installed as the #1 welterweight after his fight with Cotto, overtaking Shane Mosley. While his performance against Cotto was superb, let us not forget that Cotto was damaged goods post-Margarito, though that is meant to take nothing away from a great accomplishment, it's still reality.

More importantly, Antonio Margarito destroyed a undefeated and sharp Cotto in brutally impressive fashion (loaded wraps or not, no one knows) to become the #1 welterweight. Mosley went on to have the most impressive performance of all three fighters against Margarito to gain the # 1 contender status, yet somehow he is jumped by Pacquiao. To reference Cotto's hotly debated victory over Mosley is extremely flawed as the Cotto of 2007 was a much better fighter and hadn't gone through the tough fights with Mosley, Margarito and Clottey.

The hyperbole for Pacquiao after this fight has reached Roy Jones Jr. levels after his dominant victory over John Ruiz. Remember many were calling RJJ to be a top-5 to 10 all-time great after that victory....

Pacquiao is a great fighter and has accomplished amazing feats as did Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Shane Mosley, etc..., but none of them were ever considered the top dogs at a weight class without beating the top dog, so you can't make Pacquiao numero uno at welterweight for beating Cotto, it doesn't compute and conflicts with The Ring's typical ranking policies. Just some thoughts. -- Zak

Hey man, I can’t argue with your points (well, I could argue with some, but I don‘t feel like dragging this reply out forever). The Ring’s ranking policies come from the best of intentions but the good folks who put them together are human beings with human fallacies. They aren’t perfect and neither are the magazine’s rankings. If they were, Nonito Donaire and Celestino Caballero wouldn’t be in the pound-for-pound top 10. (Again, for all the dingleberries who say The Ring is biased for Golden Boy fighters, ask yourself if either Donaire or Caballero fight under the GBP banner.) Antonio Margarito would have been dropped from the welterweight rankings until he can get his license back and beat a decent opponent. I can go on and on.

I thought the late Arturo Gatti was overrated in the 140- and 147-pound rankings when he was still active. I thought Hopkins was underrated for many years at middleweight. As much as I love Mosley I didn’t think he deserved to be the No. 1 pound-for-pound player after beating De La Hoya in 2000, even though you could make an argument for him (and I didn’t think he fought the level of competition to maintain that placement after his breakthrough victory). I thought both Jones and Mayweather were overrated in their divisional rankings when they were atop the pound for pound list.

Rankings are subjective, just like fights. Here’s an example. You say Cotto was “damaged goods” when Pacquiao got to him. OK, I don’t think he was as sharp as he was when Mosley fought him but to what degree had he regressed? Do you really know? You write like he had one foot in the grave after the Margarito fight but I disagree with that. If he were truly wasted, he wouldn’t have got past a badass like Clottey. Some say his struggle with Clottey proves he wasn’t the same but others were impressed by his performance against the Ghanaian. The thought was that if he can hold off a guy as big and strong as Clottey with one eye, Pac doesn’t have a chance. Now, of course, there’s the usual revisionist history that comes with boxing but prior to Saturday’s fight the boxing world was not in agreement that Cotto was “damaged goods”… MANY fans, fighters, trainers and members of the media thought he had enough left to beat Pacquiao.

Now most of those folks are giving Pacquiao his credit, and yeah, some of them are probably giving him too much credit. But you know what, he’s probably earned the right to be overrated.


HOW LUCKY ARE WE?

Hi Dougie,
I'm still trying to get over Pacquiao last weekend. I had bet £5 on Cotto to win it so found the final view rounds pretty unpleasant to watch but looking at it now from the other perspective I've gotta feel lucky to see an all time great like Pacquiao at the peak of his powers. I was wondering though, most of us were surprised that Pacquaio was getting the better of Cotto in the close exchanges when the fight became more of a slug fest. Do you think the result would have been different if Cotto had got on his bike and boxed defensive from the start, rather than only when he'd bee badly hurt in the 4th?

Also, the British coverage was pretty dire, with commercial breaks in-between rounds and no translator in the Cotto corner. I've head rumours both that Cotto's corner wanted to stop the fight only for Cotto to say he'd continue and also that Cotto wanted the towel thrown in after the 11th only to be convinced by his corner to carry on (appalling advice if it's true), what was said in there? Keep up the good work. -- Tom, Southampton

I can’t comment on what was said in the corners, Tom. I was on press row during the fight and I haven’t seen the broadcast yet.

I don’t think it would have made much of a difference in the eventual outcome of the fight if Cotto was on his toes from the start of the bout. The only difference would be that the fight wouldn’t have been as entertaining and Cotto probably would have made to the final bell.


P4P RATINGS REQUEST

Hi Dougie,
Very much enjoying your and Michaels articles on the website, very informative for a UK fan to get an idea of how you see it, and yours are now the opinions I trust and follow.

Having read your brief article on the Pound for Pound update following the weekend, was interested to see that Oscar held the Pound for Pound crown in the 90's. Do you have an article where it shows who has held this title in the past 30 years? I have tried Googling to no avail! Would just be interesting to see as a 29 year old fan who has followed boxing my whole life, but only have really got an American perspective from the internet in more recent years. Would be interested if Lennox Lewis ever held the title (presumably clashed somewhat with Roy Jones, who I presume held the title in that period).

Any info would be brilliant. Thanks. -- Tom

De La Hoya and Jones traded the P4P No. 1 spot in the late 1990s. Off the top of my head, the 1990s started with Julio Cesar Chavez in the top spot, which went to Pernell Whitaker when he “drew” with the Mexican great in 1993 and then I think Jones grabbed it after he schooled James Toney in ‘94. I can’t recall if Whitaker grabbed the mythical title back during his welterweight reign before De La Hoya out-pointed him for the spot.

Anyways, this is something I could check. I’ve got all The Ring magazines from when the pound-for-pound list began (the late 1980s, I think), so that’s certainly something that I could do in the near future. I think a chart of the P4P lineage would be the perfect pre-fight feature for the proposed Pacquiao-Mayweather bout.


PAC'S THE MAN, BUT NOT THE CHAMP

Hi Doug,
Let me assure you I agree that Manny Pacquiao's win over Miguel Cotto is everything that it is being made out to be. It was epic. I rank it as one of the top 3 most impressive performances I have ever seen. However, I have a big problem with it being for the welterweight championship. This was a catchweight fight. I don't care if the weight limit was 146lbs and 15oz, it wasn't fought under welterweight rules. I don't believe the outcome would have been any different, but what good are weight limits unless they are enforced.

Does this happen often and I just don't notice? The only time I can remember a title fight that was fought at a catchweight was Terry Norris-Meldrick Taylor. Since a title didn't change hands, it didn't matter (in fact, if I remember right, Norris came in even lower than agreed upon).

My question is, where does the stretching end? Would it be possible for a jr middle to agree to come down to 149 and fight for a welter title?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Please let me know if I don't have the facts straight. Also, congrats on your semi-new gig. I would imagine its every boxing writer's dream to be a leading columnist for the bible of boxing.

Wishing you and your family a wonderful Thanksgiving. -- Drew, Boston

An early Happy Thanksgiving goes out to you too, Drew. You DON’T have your facts straight.

It’s a welterweight fight as long as the fighters weigh between 141 and 147 pounds. A world title can be on the line even if they agree to come in under the division limit. It all depends if the champ and his team want it to be on the line. Norris’ WBC 154-pound title was on the line when he fought Taylor even though they agreed to come in at 151 pounds and change. (Both weighed in around 149 pounds if memory serves me.) Norris often fought at or a bit under 152 pounds during his lengthy three-part junior middleweight title reign. He didn’t have to weigh-in at 154 pounds just because that was the limit.

Bernard Hopkins’ RING light heavyweight title was on the line when he fought Winky Wright, even though both agreed to come in at 170 pounds. Why? Because both were still over 168 pounds (the super middleweight limit), so both were technically light heavyweights.

To answer your question, a junior middleweight could not fight for a welterweight title if he only came down to 149 pounds. At 149 pounds, he’s still a junior middleweight (although a small one). He would have to weigh-in at 147 pounds to fight for a welterweight title. If he over did it and came in at 145 pounds he would still be a welterweight and could still fight for the welter title.


IT'S PAC-TIME!

Hi Doug,
Pac Man is a beast. Ran into you at LB 4 LB Presser for Cotto. I think Pac-Man is a modern day version of Aaron Pryor without the coke problem. When or if Mayweather and Pac Man go at it; it will be interesting to see Pac attack that Peek a Boo Defense of Floyd's. Peace. -- Dana

Pac’s not as fluid as Pryor was but I see where you’re coming from. Both were tireless, unpredictable and explosive. Manny is probably more explosive than the Hawk was.

It will be interesting to see if Pac’s offense can override Mayweather’s defense. Maybe he can, maybe he can’t. That’s why fans want to see this fight.


FLOYD WON'T LOSE A ROUND

What up big Doug?
Hey, I really can't understand a word that Freddie says in the corner. I don't understand why HBO doesn't hire Muhammad Ali as an interpreter for Freddie's fights?

Floyd is a douche. However, he wont lose a round vs Pac.

You said, "I don’t want to see that fight because I don’t want to see JMM get brutally knocked out."

Et tu Dougie? -- Kirk

It's no disrespect to Marquez, but I don't think he's effective over 135 pounds. And I wouldn't put it past Roach and Arum to insist that the third match takes place above 140 pounds (in fact, I think I read somewhere that Roach wanted that fight at 145), and I wouldn't put it past Marquez, warrior that he is, to accept such a bout.

I think Fraud has the style and skill to pick and poke at Pac, but he simply lacks the balls to hold the "little" booger off him for 12 rounds. If Money can't hurt Pac (and I don't think he can) he'll be in a world of s__t.

That's just my opinion. I've been wrong before.

(And speaking of wrong, man, why’d you have to go and diss Freddie AND Ali!?)

10: Reasons Pacquiao and Mayweather should fight

Posted Nov. 16, 2009 at 08:54pm

By Michael Rosenthal

A weekly boxing list compiled by Michael Rosenthal. This week: 10 reasons Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. should fight.

1. It would settle the debate over who is the pound-for-pound king.
2. It would settle the debate over who is the best fighter of the decade.
3. It would generate a tremendous amount of money for all involved.
4. Pacquiao would cement his place among the all-time greats with a victory.
5. Mayweather would prove he’s as great as he says he is with a victory.
6. The event would be a tremendous boost for boxing.
7. How often do the Nos. 1 and 2 fighters in the world have an opportunity to meet?
8. We want to see Mayweather in a competitive fight.
9. We want to see Pacquiao in a competitive fight.
10. We want to see how high pay-per-view numbers can get.

Michael Rosenthal can be reached at RingTVeditor@yahoo.com

5 burning boxing questions

Posted Nov. 16, 2009 at 08:09pm

By Eric Raskin

Andre Ward (pictured), of Oakland, Calif., shadowboxes during a media workout to publicize his showdown with 168-pound titleholder Mikkel Kessler at the Oracle Arena in Oakland this Saturday. Columnist Eric Raskin asks which trend of Showtime's Super Six tournament will hold up, the European guy (Kessler) winning or the hometown guy (Ward) winning? Photo / Jan Sanders-Goossen Tutor Promotions


It was German poet and novelist Johann Wolfgang van Goethe who famously said, “If you want a wise answer, ask a reasonable question.” And it was American boxing writer Eric Raskin who less-famously said, “If you’re writing a column about asking questions and you can’t figure out an interesting way to introduce it, Google search for famous quotations about questions.”

As the boxing year nears the winding-down stage, several questions are rattling around in this boxing writer’s mind, so here are five worth exploring:

1. Which trend will hold up in Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward: the European guys sweeping, or the hometown fighters sweeping?

As we head into this Saturday’s showdown that concludes Stage One of Showtime’s Super Six tournament, the natural thing to note is that all three fights have paired Americans against Europeans, and the Europeans are two for two. But what distinguishes Kessler-Ward is that the European fighter doesn’t have the hometown advantage this time.

Location probably made no difference in Arthur Abraham vs. Jermain Taylor. But many observers will argue that it made a significant difference in Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell.

As we saw on the first episode of Fight Camp 360, promoter Dan Goossen was on a mission to land this fight in Ward’s hometown of Oakland, and let’s face it, if it’s a close fight that goes the distance, Ward has a much better chance of winning at home than he would in Denmark. The 2004 Olympic gold medalist isn’t a big knockout puncher, and Kessler has never been stopped. If Ward is planning on winning, his best bet is to use his speed and timing, keep Kessler off-balance and pile up points. It won’t be easy, but it’s do-able, as long as Ward believes that winning the majority of the rounds is enough. At home, he should believe that. When you’re the visiting fighter, the difference between winning rounds and dominating rounds often becomes pronounced, and the pressure to get away from your ideal fight plan and pursue the knockout can sometimes alter your approach.

In the build-up to the fight, much of the talk has been about the Europe vs. U.S.A. angle.

“He’s a typical European fighter, with a little flair,” Ward said of Kessler. “He has a few more special effects than most European fighters.”

“He’s a typical American fighter,” Kessler responded. “I know how they fight, I know how they try to move their head.”

Both boxers might be “typical” of pugilists from their local regions, but Ward having the hometown advantage makes this fight atypical of the Super Six so far. So which trend will hold up?

The guess here is that Kessler makes it 3-0 for the Europeans. He certainly doesn’t seem to mind fighting on the road. “You come in, and they hate you. And if 20,000 people hate me, that’s just better for me,” Kessler said on the latest installment of Fight Camp 360.

It’s not better for Kessler, however, if the crowd noise influences the judges. He’s the favorite to win, but he’d better prevail more decisively than Froch did against Dirrell if he wants to earn Super Six points.

2. Is it fair for a replacement fighter in the Super Six to enter the tournament with zero points?

Commendable as this Super Six effort has been from the promoters and Showtime, particularly Ken Hershman, we all feared before it began that the integrity of the competition would be compromised by an injury. Keeping six fighters healthy for a year-and-a-half is about as easy as keeping Cris Arreola on an Atkins diet. So naturally, in the very first fight of the tournament, Jermain Taylor got knocked out in brutal fashion — his third KO loss in two years — and plans for a smoothly executed tournament were foiled.

If Taylor remains in the competition, it’s unfair to the two guys who don’t get to fight him in the qualifying rounds. If he exits the competition, then there could be unfairness based on whether or not his replacement is on a level comparable to the other fighters in the tourney.

But the most interesting point to ponder is how unfair it is that someone will be entering the tournament with 33.3 percent fewer opportunities to accrue points. Taylor is scheduled to go up against Kessler and Ward. Those are tough fighters to tally points against. Say a fighter comes in and scores a decision win over Kessler but loses to Ward, or vice-versa. Two points likely won’t be enough to advance to the semifinals. A fighter who went 1-2 with a knockout win will advance over a fighter who went 1-1 with a decision win. How fair is that?

There’s no simple solution, but I think whoever replaces Taylor should get an “average” score of one point heading into Stage Two. Or, at the very least, he should get a half-point so that he wins a tiebreaker against another fighter who scored the same number of points he did in more bouts.

Again, you have to love the ambition and the energy behind the Super Six. But it has already become imperfect, and if a second fighter falls out, it will turn into an outright mess.

3. Is it more depressing to have Kelly Pavlik fighting a tuneup on Dec. 19 than if he wasn’t fighting at all?

By far the most anticipated fight on the boxing calendar beyond Pacquiao-Cotto was Pavlik vs. Paul Williams, which was scheduled for Dec. 5 until Pavlik came to the conclusion that an inability to make a fist would be detrimental to someone in his line of work. That sucked for fight fans, obviously, but Williams found a top-notch replacement opponent, Sergio Martinez, and the show forged ahead.

More recently, we received the news that Pavlik’s hand is improving and he’ll be ready to fight on Dec. 19 against Miguel Espino. You can’t blame Williams for not wanting to wait around; this was the second time Pavlik had pulled out on him, after all. But how frustrating is it that Pavlik will be ready to go two lousy weeks later? Instead of a filet mignon from a world-class steakhouse, we get a sampler platter of chicken nuggets and mozzarella sticks. Sure, the bite-sized appetizers provide a small dose of deep-fried goodness. But we just had a filet sitting in front of us. And with the fights just two weeks apart, the mouth-watering smell of the filet lingers in the room.

Ultimately, it’s good for boxing that Pavlik, who hasn’t fought since February, will be staying active and defending the middleweight championship of the world. And we get why he’d rather face Espino with a questionable hand than a pound-for-pounder like Williams. But there’s just something about the scenario that makes you angry, because as a fan, you want both Williams and Pavlik to ditch their new dates and dance with each other.

In the end, if Williams and Pavlik both win and we get to see them fight each other next, then this depression will pass. But for now, the bummer feels bigger than if Pavlik was taking the rest of the year off.

4. Is a one-year layoff going to be an issue for Shane Mosley heading into his fight with Andre Berto?

It’s hard to believe, but after scoring possibly the greatest win of his Hall of Fame career over Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24, 2009, Mosley will go 371 days before capitalizing with another pugilistic payday. Margarito tried to use loaded handwraps, got busted and got served a one-year license suspension. And somehow Mosley, the hero who knocked out the cheater, has served the suspension right along with him.

Mosley wanted to follow up with a superfight, against someone like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather or Miguel Cotto. But Pacquiao and Cotto chose each other and Mayweather chose a fight he knew he couldn’t lose.

“The reason they won’t fight me is because I’m the most difficult. I’m the best,” Mosley said last weekend at the press conference to announce his fight with Berto. Whether he is or is not the best at 147 pounds, Mosley certainly provides a worse risk/reward ratio than the other superstars do. So he held out for a full year and ended up signing for a fight with a worse risk/reward ratio than he might have preferred, against the young, unbeaten Berto.

Berto is a fighter who’s shown plenty of potential but hasn’t yet put it all together against a world-class opponent. The general feeling is that if Sugar Shane is still Sugar Shane at age 38, he should be able to get the better of the 26-year-old. But what if he grows old overnight? Or in this case, over 371 nights?

Or … what if he grows younger over 371 nights? Long layoffs sometimes prevent a fighter from growing old. Mosley’s had a long career loaded with tough 12-round fights. For some older fighters (see “Hopkins, Bernard”), extended vacations do no harm at all and can even serve to rejuvenate.

Mosley seems to be a young 38, based on both the performance he gave against Margarito and his prolificacy on Twitter. (Old men don’t Tweet.)

It’s unfortunate for fight fans that Sugar Shane fought only once in 2009. But I suspect it won’t adversely affect him when he steps into the ring against Berto.

5. Is there anything Manny Pacquiao can’t do?

While only a fool wouldn’t have given Pacquiao a realistic chance at defeating Cotto, quite a few level-headed fans and media members opined that they couldn’t envision Pac-Man hurting Cotto. Those who expressed that opinion were proven dead wrong. At 140 and 147 pounds, Pacquiao is every bit the knockout threat he was in the lower weight classes. In fact, that’s an understatement. He’s more of a knockout threat against the bigger, slower guys, as counterintuitive as that may seem.

They said he’d get crushed against Oscar De La Hoya, he’d have his hands full with Ricky Hatton and he wouldn’t be able to hurt Cotto. Wrong, wrong and wrong. By now, we should stop thinking anything is beyond this living legend’s grasp. Many will opine that he can’t outbox Mayweather. I’ll believe that when I see it. For now, I leave open the possibility that he’ll not only outpunch the best defensive boxer on the planet, but that he’ll out-skill him also. With Pacquiao, anything is possible.

Outside the ring, the Filipino has limitations. He isn’t good at assembling a harmonious team. His singing, while endearing, isn’t going to make anybody forget Jeff Buckley. It doesn’t appear as if Wapakman will bump The Dark Knight down a notch on the superhero movie rankings.

But in the ring, Pacquiao can do it all, he can do it against any level of opposition and he can entertain while he does it. He’ll soon win his third Fighter of the Year award this decade and he’s the only choice for Fighter of the Decade.

If there’s anything Pacquiao can’t do, the onus is on Floyd Mayweather to demonstrate that to us.

RASKIN’S RANTS

• As someone who has attended many great fights live and seen many greats on TV, I know full well that being ringside sometimes distorts the reality of how good a fight is. You get caught up in the moment, in the energy of the crowd, and you go a little overboard. And that’s the excuse I’m going to offer up on behalf of Brian Kenny for saying on ESPNews shortly after Pacquiao-Cotto, “Rounds two, three, and four, I put up against Hagler-Hearns rounds one, two, and three — it was that good.” Eeeeaaasy, big fella.

• What a terrible stoppage by Kenny Bayless — he should have let it go another two minutes and five seconds so that I could have advanced to a perfect 10-for-10 on points in the Ring Theory “Quick Picks” competition. How dare he value a fighter’s health over my perfect record?

• It’s bad enough that so many of these boxing wives insist on torturing themselves by sitting ringside, but there’s truly no excuse for bringing a fighter’s kids along. This is real life, not The Contender, and Miguel Cotto Jr. didn’t need to be there.

• Text message sent to me Saturday morning by my brother Fred: “I think the fourth ep of 24/7 is the strongest argument against plastic surgery I could imagine. Who looks the worst: [Sylvester] Stallone, [Mickey] Rourke or [Wayne] Newton?” Excellent question, but Carrot Top is deeply offended to have been left out of the discussion.

• How much do you want to bet that before they let the cameras roll for Stallone’s scene, he insisted they set the shot up so that the camera was low to the ground, angled up, with Freddie Roach in the foreground and Sly behind, to create the illusion that the 5’7”-ish Stallone was several inches taller than Roach?

• Thank goodness for that shot of Cotto’s bare butt on the final episode of 24/7. Way to know your audience, HBO.

• Upset of the year: Yuri Foreman-Daniel Santos didn’t totally suck.

• Speaking of Santos, as long as he’s decided to go tattoo-crazy, maybe he should have tattooed a six-pack onto his stomach, so he could have tricked the public into thinking he’d trained hard.

• I thought David Haye beating Nikolai Valuev was a good thing for heavyweight boxing. But if it has inspired Audley Harrison to try to make another run, then I might have to reconsider.


Eric Raskin can be reached at RaskinBoxing@yahoo.com.

Pacquiao-Mayweather undoubtedly will get done

Posted Nov. 16, 2009 at 05:15pm

By Michael Rosenthal

Manny Pacquiao didn’t really want to talk about it after he knocked out Miguel Cotto on Saturday night in Las Vegas, saying only that he wanted to take some time off and enjoy his family. He’d leave his future to promoter Bob Arum.

However, everyone else even remotely interested in boxing is saying it for him: They want to see Pacquiao fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in what could turn to be the biggest fight in history.

Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, which represents Mayweather, said he has begun working on the fight but prefers to speak in generalities at the moment.

“It could definitely break any and all records,” said Schaefer, referring primarily to the 2.45 million pay-per-view buys Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya did. “The reason I’m saying that is I’ve never seen this type of anticipation for a fight from the general public, not just boxing fans or sports fans.

“The world is talking about this fight. Everyone wants to see it. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The reasons for that are obvious. Pacquiao is on a run like no other in recent years, as he has knocked off one big-name opponent after another and drawn comparisons to the greatest fighters of all time.

No athlete in the world, regardless of sport, is any hotter than the Filipino marvel at the moment.

Meanwhile, the supremely gifted Mayweather, undefeated and back from a hiatus, is considered by many to be even better than Pacquiao and is the biggest attraction in the United States.

Thus, the anticipation is easy to understand –- the two best boxers on the planet fighting for supremacy, at their peaks, in a pick-‘em fight, with a great melodramatic storyline -- good (the humble Pacquaio) vs. evil (the brash Mayweather).

Schaefer’s job is to hype the fight but no one would dare suggest that he’s wrong in this case. The fight would be enormous.

“You have No. 1 and No. 1A,” Schaefer said. “Even in other sports, how often do you see that? It would be something like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan going at it at the top of their games. You just don’t see that.

“It’s rare that you see two true stars, the two most-gifted athletes at the top of their games going head to head.”

Assuming Pacquiao and Mayweather want to fight each other, the next question is: Can it be made?

Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, who could not be reached Monday, has said he doesn’t believe the two sides would be able to reach a deal.

“I don’t think (Pacquiao-Mayweather) will happen within the next year because of all of Mayweather’s posturing, the trash talk. That impedes any realistic negotiations. It would just be too difficult,” he told RingTV.com last month.

Negotiations undoubtedly would be contentious, the problem being that both sides –- each claiming it has a bigger fan base –- will demand the lion’s share of the profits.

However, the profits, however they’re divided, will be too big to pass up. The fight probably would generate at least 2 million pay-per-view buys in the U.S. and Canada. At $55, that’s $110,000,000 before television distributors and others take their share.

The fighters could both walk away with $30 million, $40 million or more.

“Hopefully it will get done,” Schaefer said. “Bob Arum and I have a good track record working together. We’ve done well getting big fights done. Pacquiao has said that Floyd doesn’t want to fight him. And Freddie (Roach) has been outspoken. There’s one thing I know: Floyd Mayweather has never backed down from a challenge.

“I’m sure he’s thinking about his next steps. When the time is right, I’m sure he’s going to give me my marching orders.”

Mayweather once before took a significant risk because of the money he knew he would make, which is the De La Hoya fight. Even if he is reluctant to fight Pacquiao -– and I’m not saying he is -– the money is a powerful incentive.

Expect the fight to be made.


Michael Rosenthal can be reached at RingTVeditor@yahoo.com

Marquez, Hatton in talks

Posted Nov. 16, 2009 at 03:44pm

By Michael Rosenthal

Juan Manuel Marquez and Ricky Hatton have begun talks to fight in Manchester, England, promoter Richard Schaefer said.

No date has been discussed.

“That’s one of things we have to discuss,” Schaefer said. “I’m going to be talking to the Hattons. And Marquez wants to do it. We’ll see if we can get it done.”

Marquez is coming off a one-sided decision loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. in September, for which he went up two weight classes.

Hatton’s last fight was a one-punch, second-round knockout loss against Manny Pacquiao in May, after which the popular Briton hinted at retirement.

Marquez and Hatton would likely meet at 140 pounds.

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