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20
Mar

THE BIG AND LITTLE DRAMA SHOWS

Dear Mr Fischer,

While I’m pleased to have spent my Saturday night watching the big and little drama shows, and pleased to have been able to bring three new initiates into the boxing fandom fold, I can’t say that the night was an overwhelming success.

The four of us had a hard time stomaching the results of Roman Gonzales and Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’s fight. None of us, me least of all, could figure out why Steve Willis only had the doctor look at the cuts (plural!) on Chocolatito’s head once, and didn’t do a better job of watching for the clashes. After four rounds, I figured the fight would go the same way as Sor Rungvisai’s loss to Carlos Cuadras and be stopped and sent to the cards (which Chocolatito seemed sure to carry after round 3) well before the championship rounds. The result sits worse for me than Andre Ward’s “win” over Sergey Kovalev, watching Chocolatito’s cutman’s hands shake because of his inability to stop the bleeding (and I assume his care for his fighter) was heartbreaking. The champion deserved better. I will leave the scoring controversy (all the minds in the room with me were as one) to people who understand boxing scoring better than me; I’m more confused the longer I follow the sport.

The Gennady Golovkin-Daniel Jacobs fight was easier to watch, if not what I was expecting. I have to give credit to Andre Rozier, Virgil Hunter, and the rest of Jacob’s team, they had an exceptional fight plan. I do not agree with Jacobs or Rozier that he won the fight, nor do I think that he could “win every round” if he just kept to boxing GGG (something Rozier told him after the knockdown). I saw the fight going the distance after the third round, Jacobs was big and it was clear that he had no plans to engage enough to take meaningful risks (apart from the obviously enormous risk of stepping into the ring with GGG). After 12, we in the room believed that Golovkin had done more than enough to win the fight (with the knockdown providing a cushion for an otherwise close fight), but everyone was hoping for a little more action (I had shown them Golovkin’s fights against Kell Brook, Curtis Stevens, and David Lemieux). Apart from the lack of sustained action, which seemed to take the crowd out of most of the fight, what was the atmosphere inside the Garden? What was your assessment of the fight?

Thanks again for all you do with the mailbags and articles. I hope you had a great weekend and that it didn’t make for too much work (although it’s hard to envy you that, given where some of it occurs). I hope also that this finds you and yours well, and that you are back with your family by the time this mailbag hits the press. I send the very best. Peace. – John

Thanks for the very kind words and for sharing your thoughts on Saturday’s show, John. I compiled this mailbag while waiting for my flight out of New York City at LaGuardia airport and began answering it while waiting for my wife (with kids) to pick me up from LAX. So, yes, the family is good, and yes, I was back home before this edition of the Monday mailbag was published.

Also, thanks for bringing in three boxing fan newbies with Saturday’s pay-per-view card. Hopefully, the sustained action of the junior bantamweight title bout made more of an impression than questionable scoring.

The four of us had a hard time stomaching the results of Roman Gonzales and Srisaket Sor Rungvisai’s fight. That’s probably because you see and think clearly.

None of us, me least of all, could figure out why Steve Willis only had the doctor look at the cuts (plural!) on Chocolatito’s head once, and didn’t do a better job of watching for the clashes. Perhaps ol’ Crazy Eyes just viewed it as an unfortunate byproduct of the fighters’ ultra-aggressiveness and the clash of their orthodox and southpaw stances.

The result sits worse for me than Andre Ward’s “win” over Sergey Kovalev, watching Chocolatito’s cutman’s hands shake because of his inability to stop the bleeding (and I assume his care for his fighter) was heartbreaking. Gonzalez was worked on by a hall-of-fame cutman, Miguel Diaz, between rounds, but alas age has probably caused the veteran cornerman’s hands to betray him.

The champion deserved better. I agree. So did every member of press row that I spoke to after the fight, and the vast majority of the crowd inside MSG.

I will leave the scoring controversy (all the minds in the room with me were as one) to people who understand boxing scoring better than me; I’m more confused the longer I follow the sport. I don’t think anyone who covers or follows pro boxing understands the sport’s scoring anymore. The way it USED to be was the dude who landed the more meaningful punches on a round by round basis was the dude who won the fight if it went to the scorecards, but evidently that’s no longer the case. Gonzalez landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds he fought with Sor Rungvisai and even set a junior bantamweight CompuBox record by landing 372 power shots (56.4%) and he STILL somehow lost the fight! Arrrrgh!

The Gennady Golovkin-Daniel Jacobs fight was easier to watch, if not what I was expecting. I’m an unapologetic blood-thirsty ghoul, so Gonzalez-Sor Rungvisai was much easier for me to watch than Golovkin-Jacobs. I appreciated the ring generalship, defense and strategy exhibited by both middleweights but I was waiting for fireworks to explode and all I got was a slow-burning fuse for 12 rounds.

I have to give credit to Andre Rozier, Virgil Hunter, and the rest of Jacob’s team, they had an exceptional fight plan. They did a lot of things right – including coming in as heavy as possible on fight night (and to hell with the IBF), staying off the ropes for much of the bout, switching to southpaw for periods, and going to GGG’s body during the second half of the fight.

Photo / Tom Hogan-HoganPhotos / K2 Promotions

I do not agree with Jacobs or Rozier that he won the fight, nor do I think that he could “win every round” if he just kept to boxing GGG (something Rozier told him after the knockdown). Well, here’s the thing, I’m sure that advice kept Jacobs upright for the next eight rounds, but there’s more to effective “boxing” than lateral movement and an occasional flurry – especially when your guy is getting out-jabbed.

I saw the fight going the distance after the third round, Jacobs was big and it was clear that he had no plans to engage enough to take meaningful risks (apart from the obviously enormous risk of stepping into the ring with GGG). It seemed to me that Jacobs took the game plan of Martin Murray (another very big, very mobile middleweight but not as athletic as the Brooklynite) to another level.

After 12, we in the room believed that Golovkin had done more than enough to win the fight (with the knockdown providing a cushion for an otherwise close fight)… Seems to me that you and your three boxing new-comer guests have better eyes and sensibility than a lot of the self-proclaimed hardcore fans shooting their mouths off on Twitter.

Apart from the lack of sustained action, which seemed to take the crowd out of most of the fight, what was the atmosphere inside the Garden? It was all the way live, John. It was as loud as you’d expect from nearly 20,000 passionate fans and very intense, with enough Jacobs fans to put up counter cheers and chants to the obvious crowd favorite (occasionally boiling over into some unfortunate fist fights in the audience).

What was your assessment of the fight? It was a tactical bout, interesting to watch live but not as entertaining as I’d hoped it would be. I thought Jacobs fought the fight of his life and legitimately won anywhere from four to six rounds, but I do not think he did enough to beat Golovkin, who to my eyes was the ring master that night.

 

GREAT FIGHTS, BAD DECISIONS

Dougie,

Saturday night was such an amazing night of boxing but I can’t help but feel that the wrong guy won both the co-main event and the main event. Now I’m not stubborn or a person that isn’t up for debate but I truly feel Chocolatito and Daniel Jacobs legitimately had their well earned victory taken away from them.

I am a boxing fan to the max and I was watching the fight with people who I was trying to introduce the sport of boxing at its best to. Fights were enjoyed and people were excited but when decisions were announced even people who don’t know the sport understood that the scores should of been the other way.

I personally had Jacobs winning 8 rounds to 4 with the extra point for GGG for the knockdown but I understand that rounds are close but man I really felt that Jacobs had the victory locked in and GGG needed a knockdown to at least get the draw. How did you score it?

Dougie, idk about you but I really feel HBO commentators are losing their step. Not all of them but def Roy Jones and Jim Lampley. I love hearing Max Kellerman. My dream team of commentators would be Kellerman, Paulie Malignaggi, and a head trainer for every fight. How about you?

Mythical matchups:

Tito Trinidad vs GGG-

Arturo Gatti vs Mayorga-

Shawn Porter vs Maidana-

Thanks a lot for reading my email. I love hearing your opinions on the current boxing world and I will continue to tune in every week to your mailbag.  – Juan M

Thanks Juan.

I saw a competitive middleweight fight but recognized Golovkin’s superior jab, defensive prowess and consistent offense, and scored seven rounds to the defending unified beltholder – Rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, and 12 – for a 115-112 tally. Jacobs was definitely in the fight. The New Yorker had a 144-126 edge in power shots landed, according to CompuBox, but from my vantage point Golovkin (the more accurate and economical puncher) landed the cleaner power shots between his constant jab (which often landed with head-snapping authority).

I’m OK with judge Max DeLuca’s 114-113 scorecard for Golovkin, but I’m also fine with folks who scored eight rounds for the unbeaten Kazakh (116-111).

I expected some fans and media to score the fight for Jacobs if it went the distance, and I expected debate as to who was the superior “boxer.” There’s always going to be heated debate as to who really won after a style matchup between a strong, busy, come-forward technician and fast, flashy, mobile boxer-puncher.

With the exception of my boyhood idol, Sugar Ray Leonard (against Marvin Hagler 30 years ago), I generally don’t side with the boxer who moves about the ring and gets off in offensive spurts in a close fight against a more offensively consistent hard-punching stalker. I still think Kovalev beat Ward and I still think Badou Jack beat James DeGale.

Dougie, idk about you but I really feel HBO commentators are losing their step. I don’t always agree with Jim, Roy, Max and Harold, but I think they – as well as Showtime’s various boxing broadcast booths – are among the best in the world.

Not all of them but def Roy Jones and Jim Lampley. Roy’s my favorite. Jim’s a broadcast legend.

My dream team of commentators would be Kellerman, Paulie Malignaggi, and a head trainer for every fight. How about you? Nobody currently following the sport will agree with me, but if I could bring back the retired sportscaster Tim Ryan and resurrect hall-of-fame trainer/manager Gil Clancy to do one more show, that old CBS boxing commentator duo would be my dream team.

Your mythical matchups:

Tito Trinidad vs GGG- Golovkin by decision or late stoppage

Arturo Gatti vs Mayorga- Mayorga by late stoppage (probably on cuts)

Shawn Porter vs Maidana- Porter by close but unanimous decision

 

WHAT’S NEXT FOR GONZALEZ, INOUE?

Hi, Doug!

  1. Gonzalez-Sor Rungvisai was a terrific fight, but I was upset by the outcome: I think Gonzalez won by 115-111.

Still, I cannot call it a robbery since it was legitimately close, and it’s clear that at 115 he isn’t the beast that he used to be at 108/112.

I admire those who move up to fight the best, but sometimes I wish they stayed where they can perform best.

  1. And with Gonzalez defeated, I wonder what Inoue will do next.

Inoue was willing to make a US debut and fight Gonzalez, but probably he won’t be very interested in Sor Rungvisai, who isn’t so popular but is as dangerous as Gonzalez.

If he doesn’t fight the Thai, I want him to move up immediately to 118 and fight Yamanaka before the RING bantamweight king gets too old.

  1. If Inoue leaves 115, the superflyweight division will turn into a chaos.

Sor Rungvisai is very dangerous but beatable, Cuadras didn’t look sharp tonight, Gonzalez seems to have hit the ceiling, and Estrada may not be as effective as he was at 112 too.

Who will emerge as the king of the division?

Mythical matchups:

Salvador Sanchez vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 in 1984 — What would have happened to Chavez’s legacy and record if Sanchez hadn’t been killed?

The GGG that fought Jacobs vs the best version of Sergio Martinez at 160

Cheers. – Taku from Japan

I’ll start with your interesting mythical matchups:

Salvador Sanchez vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 130 in 1984 — What would have happened to Chavez’s legacy and record if Sanchez hadn’t been killed? I think Sanchez would have outpointed him in a very close, hotly contested fight, and maybe done so in a rematch that would have shortened the Mexico City native’s career, but I think Chavez still would have gone on to become a legend of the sport.

The GGG that fought Jacobs vs the best version of Sergio Martinez at 160 – I can see the best version of Martinez outworking and outmaneuvering Saturday’s version of Golovkin to a close points win, but my pick would be GGG by late TKO. I think Golovkin’s steady pressure, stiff, well-timed jab, accurate power shots, and Maravilla’s own warrior spirit would get the better of the Argentine southpaw in a very good fight. Unlike Jacobs, who may have been 10-15 pounds heavier than Golovkin, Martinez didn’t have the size to withstand the pressure for 12 rounds.

Gonzalez-Sor Rungvisai was a terrific fight, but I was upset by the outcome: I think Gonzalez won by 115-111. You, my friend, had the correct scorecard (official judges and Twitter nerds be damned). Like you, I thought Chocolatito clearly won eight rounds (and with his knockdown and Sor Rungvisai’s point deduction that winds up being a 115-111 tally). It was indeed a terrific fight, a Fight of the Year candidate in my opinion.

Still, I cannot call it a robbery since it was legitimately close, and it’s clear that at 115 he isn’t the beast that he used to be at 108/112. OK, don’t call it a robbery; call it a gift for Sor Rungvisai. Of course, Gonzalez isn’t at his best at 115 pounds. He began his career at 105 pounds and he’s had a lot of hard championship fights over the past eight and half years. But the fact that he doesn’t dominate as much at 115 as he did the lighter divisions does not negate the fact that he soundly outworked, out-jabbed, outslugged and out-landed the Thai challenger.

I admire those who move up to fight the best, but sometimes I wish they stayed where they can perform best. Had Gonzalez stayed at 112, or immediately returned to flyweight after beating Cuadras, you know as well as I do that all those hardcore nutcakes hanging out there in comment sections and the Twitterverse would claim he’s avoiding your boy Inoue and a rematch with Principe.

I wonder what Inoue will do next? Inoue was willing to make a US debut and fight Gonzalez, but probably he won’t be very interested in Sor Rungvisai, who isn’t so popular but is as dangerous as Gonzalez. Hey, Inoue doesn’t lack confidence. Sor Rungvisai has the WBC belt, which holds a lot of weight in Japan, and there’s a Japan-Thailand rivalry that exists. I can see Inoue going for WBO-WBC title unification bout, or allowing Gonzalez to try to avenge his loss and then taking on the winner of the rematch.

If he doesn’t fight the Thai, I want him to move up immediately to 118 and fight Yamanaka before the RING bantamweight king gets too old. That’s a passing-of-the-torch match that I’d love to see. It would be the first time an all-Japanese matchup up was between two pound-for-pound rated fighters with a RING title on the line.

If Inoue leaves 115, the super flyweight division will turn into a chaos. Sor Rungvisai is very dangerous but beatable, Cuadras didn’t look sharp tonight, Gonzalez seems to have hit the ceiling, and Estrada may not be as effective as he was at 112 too. Yeah, but you know what? No matter how you match them up among themselves, they make for BADASS fights, so I don’t care. If Inoue stays at 115, all the better.

Who will emerge as the king of the division? I gotta favor Inoue if he sticks around. The Monster has size, youth and natural talent on his side.

 

GGG’S RAZOR-THIN WIN

Hey Dougie,

Hope you had a great time in NYC. Both fights were close but one had the wrong winner.

First let’s start with GGG, I thought he did enough to win 6 to 7 rounds, felt he let go several rounds looking for openings to try to keep the KO streak alive. If he hadn’t done that and kept throwing he jab and body shots he would’ve made it much easier on himself.

I give Danny Jacobs a lot of credit because he came very close in unseating the middleweight champ. It’s obvious a lot of GGG haters and Canelo lovers are going to cry robbery and that’s OK, it was close, it’s part of how social media works, but let’s be honest, there was only one man that seemed to be hurt by the other guy’s punches, and that was Jacobs.

Man, GGG has a chin doesn’t he? Every time GGG landed flush you could see that Jacobs felt it. There’s a reason one man hit the deck and the other didn’t.

Now, Chocolatito… man it was sad seeing his unbeaten record go in a fight like this where he did everything a human being can do to fight against all sorts of adversity. To me he’s still the best boxing machine in the business and the only reason he’s going to lose legitimately is because of size not skill.

Overall a good card. Worth the money as always. I do see these two warriors losing soon as Father Time is creeping up on them. Still my two favorite fighters currently (not Lomachenko as HBO wants me to believe). Safe trip. – Juan Valverde

I had a safe trip to and from NYC and a great time (as always) while I was there (I didn’t even mind the cold weather or all the drunk St. Patrick’s Day celebrators).

Age/wear and tear has indeed begun to take a toll on the Dynamic Duo but they remain the best one-two punch in boxing in terms of entertainment value and live in-arena experience. And they remain masters of their craft. Golovkin’s ring generalship is not appreciated or recognized by all, but it’s amazing, and Chocolatito’s high-volume body-head combination attack is absolutely awe inspiring – especially when you take into consideration that he’s in his fourth weight class with 16 world title bouts under his belt.

First let’s start with GGG, I thought he did enough to win 6 to 7 rounds, felt he let go several rounds looking for openings to try to keep the KO streak alive. I agree, but I’m going to give Jacobs credit for neutralizing GGG’s aggression to an extent with lateral movement and sporadic offense that kept the defending titleholder on his toes and always ready to take a step back.

If he hadn’t done that and kept throwing he jab and body shots he would’ve made it much easier on himself. Golovkin definitely needed to go to the body more than he did.

I give Danny Jacobs a lot of credit because he came very close in unseating the middleweight champ. He fought an excellent fight and game plan, and he really dug deep. Jacobs and his team – which obviously had a great training camp – should be proud of the effort he put forth on Saturday.

It’s obvious a lot of GGG haters and Canelo lovers are going to cry robbery and that’s OK, it was close, it’s part of how social media works, but let’s be honest, there was only one man that seemed to be hurt by the other guy’s punches, and that was Jacobs. That’s what I saw from my seat on press row, but other writers (who were closer to the ring) believe that they saw Jacobs buzz or stun Golovkin more than a few times. As for the GGG haters (and the Canelo lovers – although I don’t hear much from them), they can bring it on social media, I’ve got something for their stankin’ asses. I’m dishin’ out grief all week and I hope the replay of the fight pisses them off even more.

Man, GGG has a chin doesn’t he? Arguably the best in the sport.

Photo / Tom Hogan-HoganPhotos / K2 Promotions

Now, Chocolatito… man it was sad seeing his unbeaten record go in a fight like this where he did everything a human being can do to fight against all sorts of adversity. Yeah, that decision sucked in my opinion, but my hat is off to Sor Rungvisai. That little Thai warrior came to die on Saturday. He took shots that he shouldn’t have been able to absorb, but his mind and will and spirit were so strong he fought through Gonzalez’s punch storm.

To me he’s still the best boxing machine in the business and the only reason he’s going to lose legitimately is because of size not skill. Agreed. His heart/will/spirit is just as strong as Sor Rungvisai’s, and NOBODY can outwork him.

 

SCORING SHENANIGANS & ONLINE PPVS

Dougie!

What is up? Hoping to make the mailbag with some of my thoughts on the solid if unspectacular GGG vs. Jacobs PPV. I’ll try to be concise with my points.

  1. I thought Chocolatito clearly beat Sor Rungvisai, by 2 or 3 rounds. Several times I thought he was close to stopping the little Thai badass with the iron chin, but somehow he was able to stay on his feet. However, I was physically sick, then seething with rage, when the scores were read and we somehow had a new champion. Bad judging just has to stop. It ruined what was a wonderful fight with a bad decision. I can’t imagine how it feels to gut through the awful cuts and early knockdown Choco dealt with to be robbed. Boxing needs to do better.
  1. I thought Jacobs did a good job of making things hard for GGG, but I also thought GGG won the fight clearly. I had it 115-112 for Golovkin. I don’t know about the speculation that GGG is getting old or that he looked bad. I think it was more that he was fighting the 2nd best middleweight in world, dressed in a cruiserweight costume(180+ in the ring), and his usually withering power shots didn’t have the same effect. However, every jab seemed to snap Jacobs head back, Jacobs missed a ton, was hurt often, and boxing is scored on clean punching first and foremost. Also, GGG stalked Jacobs like he does most opponents, which gives him ring generalship, but Jacobs tied him up effectively and used his size, speed and boxing ability to go the distance. A moral victory for Jacobs, but a clear GGG win. Some fans just give fighters too much credit for fleeing the action and not landing punches. I thought Jacobs, to his credit, had some success trading with GGG and definitely was very competitive when he actually stood toe to toe and looked to brawl. Maybe he should put on his big boy pants and come to fight in an eventual rematch? Either way, I’m gonna catch his next fight, and hope its not 18 months from now.
  1. Can we please get more PPVs available online? The ringtv.com stream had some hiccups at first, but by the middle of the Cuadras fight the stream was smooth and clear, and the international broadcast team did a good job. Boxing needs to get with the times. The next step is a great app, like the UFC one, that offers an all boxing sub service along with PPV, and to get as many promoters on it as you can. I’d gladly pay for access to non PPV cards, big and small, and the ability to buy legit PPV’s without getting raped by the cable company. Get your ringtv nerds working on that ASAP. Will the Canelo-Chavez fight be available online at least?

I’ll just close with 2 questions:

  1. Where should Chocolatito go next? I’m saying he should take the big money Inoue fight before his body gives out on him after all these hellacious wars.
  1. What do you think of GGG’s performance? Do you think this changes how a BJS or Canelo fight would play out?

Thanks for the mailbags and for fighting the good fight against the dummygraphic on social media! Keep that block button handy… – Tom, PA

Oh I don’t block right away, my man. I like to engage a bit, definitely more so than we saw with GGG and Danny, but maybe not as much as Chocolatito and Sor Rungvisai. I think I’m going to use this week as an excuse to unfollow any idiotic fans that I follow for no particular reason, and I’ll probably use the MUTE button more than the BLOCK. That MUTE function is like a good jab among young prospects – underused.

  1. Where should Chocolatito go next? I’m saying he should take the big money Inoue fight before his body gives out on him after all these hellacious wars. I’ve read where Gonzalez wants an immediate rematch with Sor Rungvisai and I think he has a right to try to regain his title after suffering what most viewed as a controversial decision loss. If Inoue were suddenly challenge Gonzalez and record money was put up for that fight, maybe that’s a course that Choco would take, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.
  1. What do you think of GGG’s performance? Solid, effective but unspectacular.

Do you think this changes how a BJS or Canelo fight would play out? No, but it changes the way many will view those potential matchups (especially the Canelo showdown).

I thought Chocolatito clearly beat Sor Rungvisai, by 2 or 3 rounds. That’s because you’re not blind.

Photo by Tom Hogan – Hoganphotos/K2 Promotions

Several times I thought he was close to stopping the little Thai badass with the iron chin, but somehow he was able to stay on his feet. Thai challengers are seldom victorious here in the U.S. but they’re usually uncommonly durable and well-conditioned. Now that I think about it, Sor Rungvisai’s victory Saturday night has to be the biggest Thai upset on U.S. soil since Saman Sorjaturong stopped Humberto “Chiquita” Gonzalez at The Forum in Inglewood, California back in 1995 (and I was at that fight – as a fan!).

Bad judging just has to stop. It ruined what was a wonderful fight with a bad decision. I can’t imagine how it feels to gut through the awful cuts and early knockdown Choco dealt with to be robbed. Boxing needs to do better. I agree. I think Glenn Feldman, Julie Lederman and Waleska Roldan had a bad night at the office.

I thought Jacobs did a good job of making things hard for GGG, but I also thought GGG won the fight clearly. I had it 115-112 for Golovkin. Same here.

I don’t know about the speculation that GGG is getting old or that he looked bad. I think it was more that he was fighting the 2nd best middleweight in world, dressed in a cruiserweight costume (180+ in the ring), and his usually withering power shots didn’t have the same effect. I agree. To say Golovkin is suddenly “old” or that he had a bad night takes away from Jacobs’ fine performance as well as his stature within the sport.

However, every jab seemed to snap Jacobs head back, Jacobs missed a ton, was hurt often, and boxing is scored on clean punching first and foremost. That’s what I saw. I saw Jacobs nail Golovkin with some solid shots, but I also witnessed him miss a lot and land a lot of punches on GGG’s gloves and arms (and I thought his technique fell off as his activity grew in the later rounds).

Also, GGG stalked Jacobs like he does most opponents, which gives him ring generalship, but Jacobs tied him up effectively and used his size, speed and boxing ability to go the distance. I didn’t give Golovkin credit for merely stalking forward, I gave him credit for quickly finding range with his jab and landing it consistently all night (without getting tagged too much in return). I didn’t care much for Jacobs’ holding tactics but it was effective in that it prevented Golovkin from getting off inside and also seemed to frustrate the odds/media favorite.

A moral victory for Jacobs, but a clear GGG win. Absolutely. Both middleweights should be proud of going the 12-round distance in a closely contested fight.

Some fans just give fighters too much credit for fleeing the action and not landing punches. Not me.

I thought Jacobs, to his credit, had some success trading with GGG and definitely was very competitive when he actually stood toe to toe and looked to brawl. I agree. If he had started earlier or stood his ground more down the stretch maybe he could have won it on the official cards.

Maybe he should put on his big boy pants and come to fight in an eventual rematch? Aw, come on, man, don’t be mean to Danny!

Either way, I’m gonna catch his next fight, and hope it’s not 18 months from now. Jacobs’ adviser and management team need to take advantage of the career momentum he has right now and maneuver him into a significant middleweight (or super middleweight) match (and, yeah, hopefully within the next six-nine months). Chris Eubank Jr. is out there (running his mouth on Twitter), Hassan Ndam is the WBA’s No. 1 contender (so if Danny were to beat the veteran, he’d position himself for a rematch with GGG), there’s David Lemieux, Ryota Murata, Rob Brant, Willie Monroe Jr., and Sergey Derevyanchenko. There are legit contenders and solid up-and-comers for Jacobs to fight.

Can we please get more PPVs available online? Of course. That’s the plan!

The ringtv.com stream had some hiccups at first, but by the middle of the Cuadras fight the stream was smooth and clear, and the international broadcast team did a good job. Dave Bontempo and Kevin Kelley are veterans and they know what they’re looking at. I’m glad you appreciated them and I’m glad the hiccups were gone by the time the co-featured bouts began. That’s something we’ll have to improve on for the next online PPV.

Boxing needs to get with the times. Agreed, and I believe that it is. You’ll see that by the end of 2017.

The next step is a great app, like the UFC one, that offers an all boxing sub service along with PPV, and to get as many promoters on it as you can. That’s in the works, my man.

I’d gladly pay for access to non PPV cards, big and small, and the ability to buy legit PPV’s without getting raped by the cable company. We’re counting on fans like you.

Get your ringtv nerds working on that ASAP. My nerds are on it.

Will the Canelo-Chavez fight be available online at least? Of course it will, just as his last two pay-per-view shows (vs. Amir Khan and Liam Smith) were.

 

 

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  • David Telfer

    I’m sick to death of boxing fans crying robbery whenever a close decision doesn’t go the way they want it to. Both fights on Saturday night were close and IMO could’ve went either way. FWIW I think the right man won in both fights but you could tell from GGG’s face at the end he wasn’t convinced that he’d won. Also, the Thai guy was just too big and solid for Gonzalez…he took everything he could throw and kept firing back.

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      I had jacobs winning 7 rounds, so it was a draw on my score.
      I think that Rozier didn’t believe in his man enough, though. He held him back too much. Had Jacobs exchanged a little more he would’ve stole all the swing rounds and pulled the clear upset.

      • ceylon mooney

        yea. it took a min for jacobs to get confident and turned on. he def brought enuf to to the ring to win; he almost used enuf of it.

      • Arjay Cee

        Danny knows perfectly well he couldn’t exchange more with G. He’s fearless and brilliant, but that doesn’t except him from the laws of physics.

    • ceylon mooney

      according to the criteria for scoring pro fights, gonzales won by a few rounds. fight was great but not that close. being able to take an ass beating is not in the 4 criteria. dude was frick TOUGH and in the fight all the way.

      • David Telfer

        Ok but surely hurtful punching counts for something? Gonzalez was hurt and too many people are making out like Thai guy got a beat down when that’s just not the case. Sure he was rocked as well but he was happy to stand toe to toe in spots. Close fight.

        • ceylon mooney

          gonzales hurt rungvisai a few times, but dudes tough as shit!

          meaningful punches counts. if 2’guys hit each other anout the same and only one guys punches do anything that one guy gets the round.

      • Giuseppe

        He absolutely won.

    • Mitchell Nelms

      I think that was the face of frustration and fatigue. Jacobs did work his body well and held at the right times, maybe even excessively.

      But yeah, I’m with you on the overuse of certain words like robbery, hypejob(which isn’t a word), and exposed.

      • Pietey Trenton

        That is quite possibly the most reasonable ive ever heard you, “kudos”

        • Mitchell Nelms

          Ok Barley, thanks.

    • Mark Schoeman

      But can you not see what an absolute waste of energy it is to be upset by people who are upset?

      Look, I’m not deferring to judges anymore than I’ll defer to you…but the last time a decision upset me was 1993 and the victim’s response taught me that what I think is all that matters…and all the other nonsense, like historical records, title belts, mythical rankings, etc is just noise…Pernell Whitaker was screwed and he took it in stride, saying all that matters is what the fans saw and they knew the truth. He didn’t whine, didn’t cry, he took it like a man and kept on fighting.

      So I think Roman won, you don’t…oh well. Are we really going to argue something when neither of us is going to change our mind? Are you seriously angry that not everybody agrees with you?

      • David Telfer

        Mate if people think GGG/Jacobs or Gonzalez/Thai guy won then I’m fine with that…seriously. They were both close fights. However what I’m not fine with is people bitching saying that it was a robbery…how can a fight that splits opinion so much be a robbery? How can a fight that could go 1 or 2 rounds either way be a robbery?

        Pacquiao vs Bradley is a robbery.

    • Arjay Cee

      I agree. Choco looked brilliant as always, but Many Syllables shrugged off his punches and hammered him. Score neither surprised nor bothered me.

      • Pietey Trenton

        Hahahahahaha, many syllables, fucking funny cunt.

  • Orca

    Nice mailbag and I’m glad I can stop refreshing the screen here at work now. I’ll be very surprised if Gonzalez doesn’t ask for an immediate rematch. Not sure if there was a clause in the contract to force it. I had Chocolatito winning 7-4-1, so a 2 point win for Roman. Great fight and a great illustration of the kind of fighter this guy is. He did everything in his power to get the win. He left it all in the ring. We all know he is at least 1 division too high but there’s no going back now. I think he has it in him to beat Rungvisai (again) in a rematch, shut Cuadras up for good and bid farewell. The man has nothing left to prove.

    • Jorge

      He already has… not sure if he can comeback that quick after cuts.

    • ceylon mooney

      i def think he can beat rungsavi again

  • Tony Nightstick

    I didn’t see Golovkin-Jacobs, and therefore have no opinion on the fight. I am bothered, however, by reports that Jacobs may have come in as heavy as 180. Who’s he all of a sudden, Rocky Marciano? While I’m not at all a fan of having 17 weight divisions, what’s the point of having any if their limits are so flagrantly flaunted? Even the WWE has introduced a cruiserweight division, recognizing that pitting a guy at 175 against another at 350 isn’t exactly competitive.

    • ceylon mooney

      same day weigh ins please

      and having 112, 115 & 118 is really stupid. 112 to 118 is a better jump.

      • Tony Nightstick

        Completely agree.

        And back to eight…maybe nine.

        • ceylon mooney

          gotta have 200 in there. 175 to 250 is way top big a jump.

  • Michel Desgrottes

    More online ppvs? How bout no more ppvs to begin with

    114-113 Jacobs

    Jacobs should apply to be in the WBO rankings and shoot for an England fight with BJS

    Danny stock went up Saturday night, ggg remained stagnant, if not went down a little

    Shout out to Curtis Stevens putting pressure on dougie on twitter

    Doug in all seriousness u gotta watch your mouth, these dudes will bump into you at your workplace, any venue, anywhere, don’t talk with your chest out unless u ready to throw hands with Curtis

    • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

      What happened with Stevens and Doug?

      • Michel Desgrottes

        Doug was talking greasy on twitter making jokes about Stevens getting KO, Stevens said he gonna slap em

        • Jorge

          Gossip Queen, you’re the last one who should speak on twitter drama.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Ain’t gossip, advising him to watch his mouth before dude slaps him

        • Jorge

          Gossip Queen, you’re the last one who should speak on twitter drama.

        • disqus_EewaFe3EB6

          haha

    • Mitchell Nelms

      In your opinion… Yes, Jacobs fought the fight of his life and did well, but lost. His stock did go up, but to say Golovkin’s went stagnant is absurd, he took on a the second best middleweight for 12 rounds and won. Buster Douglas fought the fight of his life against Tyson in the 80’s, and then came in fat against Holyfield.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        And he was marketed as a big drama show that would KO a chinny Jacobs, didn’t happen, was getting outboxed after telling people he allows himself to be hit, he was supposed to impress casuals on the big stage ppv msg with Mexican style and KO him, he didn’t, stock didn’t go up, especially compared to what he was being propped up to be

    • Jorge

      This guy…

    • maxx

      Dude get over it he LOST!

      • Michel Desgrottes

        U right ggg lost

        • maxx

          Well Michel ,NOT what the RECORDS state.Kudos

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Yea they failed Jacobs

          • maxx

            My heart is BROKEN!

        • hunger pains

          ward clearly lost to kovalev and you acted like it was the greatest decision of all time

    • The Immortal S-Hop

      Why do you like to come down to the comments and misrepresent what happens on Twitter?
      Guys, Curtis Stevens was fooled by a fake JDJ account that was messing with Dougie. Maybe Michel was fooled also? I don’t know. But Dougie was NOT being disrespectful to the real anybody. A simple quick look at that account would have told you it’s not real. What did it have, 25 followers?
      Also, Jacobs did better than many expected. I’ve always thought Jacobs was quality. It does a disservice to both men to say either is less than we thought. I wanted to see Golovkin tested, he WAS, and I’m more impressed with him for grinding out a competitive win. I’m also impressed with Jacobs. Nobody has to be a disappointment. Nobody has to be a bum. Nobody has to mythically lose to Andre Ward with cry face emojis.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        Sidebar, I never said who he was being disrespectful to, I said he was talking greasy

        • Rick

          Well you just said ” unless you ready to throw hands with Curtis”…

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Exactly and whoever the account holder was he was talking to, I didn’t reference

          • Pietey Trenton

            Dude, ye fucked up, got it erong, how bout, “ah shit, my mistake, sorry dougie”

          • Michel Desgrottes

            I ain’t get nothing wrong, I said Doug talked greasy on twitter, did he not?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Exactly and whoever the account holder was he was talking to, I didn’t reference

      • Charlie U.

        Oh, I didn’t see all that. I thought Doug was being kind of mean to JDJ and disrespectful to Stevens. Twitter confuses me. Lol. I should stay away from it.

        • The Immortal S-Hop

          Fake news, Charlie.

          • Charlie U.

            Hate that stuff.

        • The real John David Jackson and I friends. We go back more than 20 years.

    • Charlie U.

      I sort of agree. Not sure why Doug went after Stevens like that.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        He jumped off the ledge too quickly, I understand back n forth banter but now u got a boxer who feel a type of way about u, unless u about that life and good with the hands, I wouldn’t advise trash talk

      • Michel Desgrottes

        He jumped off the ledge too quickly, I understand back n forth banter but now u got a boxer who feel a type of way about u, unless u about that life and good with the hands, I wouldn’t advise trash talk

        • Again. I’m not worried about it. Not saying Stevens couldn’t KO me with a jab, but you don’t think I’m “good with the hands”?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Nah I never said if u are or aren’t nice with the hands I simply don’t know, but regardless, you’re not a professional boxer

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Nah I never said if u are or aren’t nice with the hands I simply don’t know, but regardless, you’re not a professional boxer

    • Avery Benitez

      BJS knows he can make much more money fighting GGG than he can fighting Jacobs. Jacobs shouldn’t be fighting for another belt that soon anyway, dude should relax and fight a contender and become the mando for GGG/whoever has the belts at that time later in the year.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        Aside from money, I don’t see if bjs being a ggg victim in Kazakhstan, he would have to be paid a sick purse for that

    • I’m not worried about it.

  • Already956

    Random MM

    Mikey Garcia vs Edwin Valero @ 130/135

    Lennox Lewis vs Larry Holmes

    Ricky Hatton vs Arturo Gatti @ 140

    Bernard Hopkins vs James Toney @ 160

    Jose Luis Castillo vs Jorge Linares @ 135

    • Mitchell Nelms

      Holmes wins a decision. Holmes was too slick, fast and crafty for Lennox.

    • Jorge

      Mikey in a great fight of contrasting styles, Holmes wins the jab duel, Hatton UD in a fun fight, Toney in a lackluster fight, Castillo with the body shots ko’s linares late.

    • Colin Mc Flurry.

      Garcia – better skills
      Lewis – too big
      Hatton – the Hatton that beat Tszyu, would fuck Gatti up.
      Hopkins – Toney too inconsistent at 160lb. Reggie Johnson? Dave Tiberi?
      Castillo – Linares for all his talent, has that fragility about him.

    • Jody Hanna

      Mikey stops Valero at either weight, but takes some punishment before he does.
      Holmes outpoints Lewis in a bore.
      Gatti wins on points in a lacklustre fight which is booed by the crowd from start to finish due to lack of action.
      Toney outslicks Hopkins.
      Castillo wins by split decision in a barnburner.

    • maxx

      Valero by knockout.
      Lewis by unanimous decision due to a couple of knockdowns in a classic jabfest.
      Gatti by one punch knockout in a fight were he is behind on all judges scorecards.
      Bernard Hopkins wins by utilizing very cagey stick and move tactics.
      Castillo stop Linares late in a battle of attrition.

      • You’re the only one who got it the Valero-Garcia matchup correct — he was too fast, too mobile (if he wanted to be), to cagey and WAY hit too hard for Mikey to survive for more than four or five rounds.

        • maxx

          Absolutely Doug and I am also not overly impressed by Mikey’s punch resistance.Kudos Doug

    • The Immortal S-Hop

      The opposite of Colin…with all due respect.

      • Colin Mc Flurry.

        My style is impetuous….Haters don’t phase me..

    • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

      Mikey survives at least one knockdown to eventually counterpunch Valero’s reckless aggression. Mikey wins unanimous decision.

      Lennox Lewis vs Larry Holmes. Don’t know. Don’t watch fatty weights.

      Ricky Hatton vs Arturo Gatti @ 140. Dumb vs. Dumber. Have fun deciding which is which.

    • TNT

      Mikey Garcia
      Lennox Lewis (if trained by ES)
      Hatton
      Toney
      JLC

  • Sidewinder

    Regarding the same day weigh in debate, just want some opinions.

    Lets imagine the weigh in is on fight night. Fight is at 154 lbs.

    Keith Thurman comes in weighing 154 and at his optimum fighting weight maybe or maybe not, but lets just say he’s well hydrated. His opponent Jermall Charlo a big JMW also came in at 154 but dry as a prune, we all know he boils himself down to make 154.

    So does Charlo have a chance to beat Thurman?
    Or lets say its Terence Crawford instead of Thurman, can Charlo defeat Crawford?

    • FreeWilly

      I don’t think it matters whether fighters should have same day weigh-in or a day before. The rule should that a fighter should enter the ring no more than the minimum weight of the next division. E.g. a welterweight should not weigh at 154 or above. Simples.

    • FreeWilly

      I don’t think it matters whether fighters should have same day weigh-in or a day before. The rule should that a fighter should enter the ring no more than the minimum weight of the next division. E.g. a welterweight should not weigh at 154 or above. Simples.

    • DBone

      Day before weigh ins aren’t the perfect solution but much better than the alternative. Same day weigh ins are more dangerous to the fighters than one guy having a weight advantage. Fighters are still gonna kill themselves to get into their most advantageous weight class regardless of which day the weigh ins are. If there are any alternative ideas to these two options id like to hear them

      • ceylon mooney

        fighters arent going to lose a fight just to make weight.

        its a much bigger risk to sweat off 15 pounds than 7.

        • DBone

          Guys literally died to do it

  • Jorge

    What do great middleweights like Monzon, Hagler, Leonard do to a guy like Jacobs Saturday night?

  • J Scorpio

    Why do people seem pissed off with Jacobs for this fight, for his tactics of box and move, don’t get caught, don’t get involved in a close scrap if you can avoid it and don’t engage unnecessarily? Golovkin fans visibly pissed that Jacobs didn’t ‘do enough and came to survive’. If Golovkin is the unbeatable and totally dominant middlweight of his generation then why on earth would or could Jacobs do anything but this? Jacobs came with a game plan, he stuck to it and provided as decent a challenge as Golovkin has faced, or is likely to. Did he come with enough to truly outstrip all 4 belts and really make the judges demand GGG hand the straps over? That’s comletely debateable and subjective, personally I had the fight a draw, but am not surprised the champion got the nod. It was a close fight, so close that no decision would have been a ‘robbery’, but Jacobs box-and-moving, and constantly walking is a compliment to Golovkin’s style that his fans are in contradiction with if they’re annoyed Jacobs didn’t just stand toe to toe with him for and exchange. Jacobs said before the fight he was weary of his power so came with a top game plan and did himself proud.

    • Robert Archambault

      If you come to survive, do not expect to be given the win. You need to be the aggressor to take a title while Jacobs was acting like he was defending the titles instead. He showed no effective aggression during the fight and that will not lead to a win. I think the way Jacobs was fighting also had an effect on Golovkin and made him disinterested as the fight went on. It has to be difficult for someone with his style to be in the ring with someone who is not interested in making a fight of it, especially after the war with Brook. I will rewatch the replay on Saturday and rescore the fight but on the live broadcast I scored it 7-4-1 round even for GGG.

      • Jody Hanna

        Good grief.

        • Jorge

          Cuckoo’s nest Cuckoo’s nest

      • Jorge

        You are reaching here, in no way can you read a man’s mind and say Golovkin because disinterested. A lot of excuses. He just wasn’t as impressive and didn’t have a solution for Jacobs game plan, it’s okay to criticize your idol.

        • Captain Ron

          Not going to happen. Not with that weirdo love-connection he has with the guy.

      • J Scorpio

        I’m not disagreeing with you here mate (other than that Golvkin might
        have grown ‘disinterested’ in the fight). I don’t think Jacobs did
        enough to win and convince the judges that he deserved to be walking out
        with all 4 straps…I’m just a bit mystified how people are surprised
        and slightly aggreived by Jacobs’ tactics of constantly moving and
        trying to engage in toe-to-toe combat as little as possible. In over 300
        fights (pro and amateur) Golovkin’s knees have touched the canvas
        precisely zero times, not even a shake or glaze of the eyes. I’m sure if
        you asked Jacobs before the fight does he think he’s gonna go eye to
        eye and spark Golovkin out even he’d be reluctant to say yes. I’ll be
        honest, I’m not sure there’s ayone out there who can knock Golovkin out,
        certainly not at his current weight (fighting weight). The guy’s chin
        is absolutely monstrous, like a cross between Desperate Dan and a kevlar
        anvil. But what’s Jacob’s to do? Go toe to toe just to please people?
        As you’re well aware boxing is about beating who’s in front of you, or
        at least trying to abate the attacks coming at you. Jacobs was never
        gonna knock Golovkin out so personally I think his box and move was the
        only way he was gonna get through the fight, and the fact that it’s
        Monday afternoon (here in London) and we’re having a healthy discussion
        about how and why Golovkin didn’t end Jacobs’ career is a testiment to
        DJ’s tactics…but I’m certainly not saying Jacobs won the fight. I
        think it was GGG’s fight, I just think his style for long periods was
        neutralized by a very savvy Jacobs.

        • Robert Archambault

          My comment regarding ‘disinterest’ was just a possibility I threw out there. Even in the post fight, GGG did not seem to be his usual animated self to me. I think he may have been depressed over the news that Chuck Berry died earlier in the day. 🙂
          HAIL HAIL ROCK AND ROLL!!!

          • J Scorpio

            WHAT??? Chuck Berry died??? Jesus. How did that pass me by. Time to dust off the old 6-string and get working on some covers…..

  • Billy ray cyrus

    Jacob is a 2nd tier fighter I don’t care how much he weighed and this is the same ggg who want to fight a natural 140 pounder who happen to move up two weight classes to win a title. I wouldn’t pay two cents to watch this guy fight Canelo but that’s just me

    • Jorge

      This sounds like the first time you have seen Jacobs. He doesn’t usually fight like that and ko’s guys, he had a good game plan and GGG at times didn’t have answers for it.

      • ceylon mooney

        yea that was impressive. i didnt see ggg adjust i saw the oppoosite–he appeared to do less of the same as the fight went on. that last round he was in slow motion.

        jacobs had a damn good plan and did good n well with it.

    • ceylon mooney

      who is the natural 140 pounder golovkin wanted to fight?

    • Rick

      Who is this natural 140 pounder?

  • Colin Mc Flurry.

    Macklin.
    Stevens.
    Geale.
    Murray.
    Monroe jr.
    Lemieux.
    Wade.
    Couldn’t get a job painting the the outside walls of the boxing HOF….never mind get the fuck in.

  • EastMan

    When golovkin fought welterweight Brook-its normal,when Jacobs put on some weight-it’s criminal.Stupid crasy fanatics…

    • ceylon mooney

      u remember brook was bigger and heavier
      than golovkin every step of the way?

      • D Johnson

        Cmon man! why you gotta poke holes in his conspiracy theories?

      • D Johnson

        Cmon man! why you gotta poke holes in his conspiracy theories?

      • Robert Archambault

        Why let facts get in the way?

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      Why is this a problem? Both Jacobs and Brooks came in at the middleweight limit. Its the way sports play out. That was Jacobs’ advantage and it worked for him. One day his body will pay for it thats for sure, but for now if it works I would keep doing it. Look at Chavez Jr, he exploited that and when he moved up his limitations where exposed.

      • Orca

        Chavez JNR, that man was ragged on for years for boiling down to 160 then re-hydrating up over 175 by fight night. I kinda get it. It does seem a bit unfair that some fighters are ‘lucky’ enough to be able to do this while others can’t. IMO, it is a bit of an issue. There was a definite size disparity on Saturday night but it is what it is. Golovkin is one of the few elite fighters that would definitely be able to stay in his current class if same day weigh-ins made a return.

        • Juan Manuel Valverde

          There’s also other people that are unlucky to have a bad chin, or lucky to have a lot of power, its his strength so be it. Golovkin is definitely a small Middleweight and you can see why he hasn’t stepped up a division. There are still opponents in the division that can beat him, doesn’t mean they will, but there’s potential there. Jacobs is a very good fighter. How long will he be able to stay at Middleweight? We’ll see.

          • Orca

            There’s more money to be made at 160 than 168 so I expect Jacobs to remain for another 12 months at least. I don’t consider boiling down and bulking up an ‘attribute’ but, other than re-hydration clauses, there’s nothing that can be done at present.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            Exactly, as long as you make weight on the day of the weigh-in you’re good to go. There’s a lot of fighters who have made a living doing this, Arturo Gatti comes to mind, Chavez Jr. Once they moved up in weight, you could see the limitations.

          • Robert Archambault

            GGG is NOT a small middleweight, he is a natural middleweight. The only reason he seems small today is because of those who are fighting one and, in some cases, even two divisions lower than they should be.

          • Juan Manuel Valverde

            True… I agree.

        • Robert Archambault

          Which is why the IBF have a rehydration clause for fight day which Jacobs chose to ignore and which took the IBF title off the table. All organizations need to have the same rehydration limit in their title fights and then maybe it would have an effect on this tactic. I would even move the secondary weigh in to the afternoon of the fight, not the morning.

          • Orca

            Nice. Let’s put you in charge. Sort this mess out for us. You got my vote.

          • Robert Archambault

            Sure. Same day weigh ins and 15 round title fights. All sorted out. 🙂

          • Jody Hanna

            And nine weight divisions, original eight plus cruiserweight.

          • Jody Hanna

            And nine weight divisions, original eight plus cruiserweight.

        • wrecksracer

          Chavez jr was using diuretics to get down to 160, and as long as he was fighting in Texas he managed to skip out on testing (see Andy Lee fight…….jr never took the post fight drug test).

  • Colin Mc Flurry.

    Jacobs is a good fighter…but he ain’t Sugar ray robinson or Sugar ray Leonard, hell he might not even be Sugar ray seals..

    • maxx

      Prime Jermain Taylor is better than Jacobs.Kudos

      • Jody Hanna

        I disagree.

        • maxx

          Well let us agree to disagree on this one, I suspect the sturdier chin of Taylor would have seen him through in an early ending shoot out.Kudos Jody

          • Reggie Woodard

            Just curious, how does a guy who was KOed three times(and hurt badly quite a few others) have the sturdier chin?

          • maxx

            In his prime Jermain had a sturdy chin for about 7-8 rounds until his muscles started to tax his stamina, in a bout with Jacobs, I doubt both front runners let it go that far and even if it did go beyond I still believe Jermain was more resilient of the two and generally speaking a little better in every department.Kudos Reggie

          • Reggie Woodard

            Good point. His KO losses to both Froch and Abraham were late and/or last round KOs. Pavlik was after he had emptied his own arsenal trying to KO the Ghost. I’d def take a prime JT over a prime DJ. Kudos Maxx

          • maxx

            Those two KO losses seem to have affected him big time, let us hope he can find some stability in his life, from all accounts he was a real gentleman once upon a time.Kudos Reggie

          • Reggie Woodard

            I know. He’s showing signs of brain damage unfortunately. Was definitely one of the nicer guys in the sport. He needs to be checked for CTE and hopefully get the medical attention it requires. He’s kinda in the danger zone, Maxx. Kudos pal

      • Colin Mc Flurry.

        I agree.

        • Pietey Trenton

          Me too, what’s got into to you lately Jody, ye been drinking heavily?

    • Suk me dong

      He ain’t Sugar boy Dong my third cousin, Former unlicensed minimum weight bare knuckle champion of Bangkok.

      • Colin Mc Flurry.

        Lol

    • Dee Money

      True, but I bet none of them got in the ring as heavy as Jacobs did, heck even when SRL won the Light Heavyweight belt he didnt way as much.

      • Colin Mc Flurry.

        The great Sugar man was only about 165lb when he beat lalonde.

        • wrecksracer

          yeah that whole situation was suspect….Leonard made LaLonde come down to 168 to fight for both the SMW and Light Heavy titles at the same time. Drained LaLonde and won titles in 2 weight classes at the same time grrr!

  • Jody Hanna

    Here goes……I saw Danny Jacobs win i the early hours if Sunday morning. When I watched it again late Sunday afternoon, with pen and paper, I scored it a draw, and if I watched it again tonight, I wouldn’t be surprised if I scored it for Golovkin.
    I think subconsciously I gave more credit than was due to Jacobs because he was doing better than expected, by the midway point I was sensing the upset and was going with it. At the end I was convinced Jacobs had pulled it off, and was wounded for him not to get the decision. I make no apologies for this, because I am a boxing fan, not a judge, I couldn’t be a professional judge because I enjoy the fights too much and get emotionally involved. It was a close fight, but far from a robbery.
    As for people claimimg Canelo will beat Golovkin now that he’s ‘been exposed’ (there are some), Canelo couldn’t fight the fight Jacobs fought Saturday, styles make fights and Canelo is a completely different fighter than Jacobs, and at 160, I believe an inferior one.

    • Jorge

      Spoken like a true man… I think most boxing fans do this in a lot of fights, myself included. But that’s just a part of being a true fan. It was a close fight. I was just more impressed with Jacobs. As far as canelo, I think he poses a different type of fight and challenge to GGG that is different from Jacobs.

    • Jorge

      Spoken like a true man… I think most boxing fans do this in a lot of fights, myself included. But that’s just a part of being a true fan. It was a close fight. I was just more impressed with Jacobs. As far as canelo, I think he poses a different type of fight and challenge to GGG that is different from Jacobs.

      • Juan Manuel Valverde

        We tend to find reasons to score for the guy we think or we would like to win. I myself, a GGG fan, scored the fight 7-5 for him and could’ve easily seen it 6-6 or 7-5 the other way. Felt GGG heavier punches were the difference

        • Giuseppe

          I watch fights with worry. So I scored against ggg even though I wanted him to win. Sport is a theatre of psychological destruction for the fans as much as the participants.

          • Orca

            I hear ya brother, ha.

          • Arjay Cee

            “Sport is a theatre of psychological destruction for the fans as much as the participants.”

            Fantastic line!

      • Suk me dong

        The biggest challenge is to drag the chixican into the ring.

        • Jorge

          Or maybe have you come up with a good joke.

          • Colin Mc Flurry.

            Chan walks into a bar, and sits next to Paul, and starts drinking his beer.

            Paul asks him hey do you know any Kung fu?

            Chan says why do you ask, is it because I’m Chinese?

            No it’s because you drank my fuckin beer.

          • Jorge

            haha don’t drink a man’s beer.

    • Giuseppe

      Same here. On the night it ‘felt’ like Jacobs had won. I rarely rewatched fights with a view to trying to determine who really won as it’s a bit of a false experience. Firstly I know the result. Secondly I am getting the advantage of a second look – which is something judges don’t have. And thirdly what I thought on the night will always be the most valid and true response. Like that malcolm glad well book BLINK says, your first impressions are usually the most correct. The tide of opinion seems to say that Jacobs didn’t do enough actual punching. So maybe I will give this one another watch.

      Maybe unfairly, but ggg does feel a lesser beast than he used to. Although almost no one seems to be accounting for another factor in this fight and maybe the Brook fight too… pressure. Ggg has fought too high profile and importabt bouts that keep him on the path to a 20m payday. Maybe he is feeling the strain and that’s what is causing him to be over cautious. Just because he looks and appears cool… he could be tight. He couldn’t let his hands go on Saturday night and I have never seen that from him before. I hope it’s a bad sort of night rather than a decline that golden boy have timed just right.

      • Leon T.

        Good point. I never thought pressure might get to Golovkin as if he were some kind of machine. But he’s just a fighter with expectations and goals.

      • Mike M.

        I don’t think age has anything to do with Golovkin fighting methodically. Jacobs was trained by Virgil Hunter, home boy Virgil basically teaches everyone to grapple or hold on the inside (this is what HE calls defense……). Golovkin couldn’t let his hands go like he normally does because Jacobs a lot better than GGG recent opponents and #2 he came in really heavy, I imagine his strength would be hard for anyone to deal with in there.

        • Giuseppe

          Ggg looked awkward on the inside and just stood there I thought

          • Mike M.

            A lot of those moments I felt he was either waiting for too perfect of a moment to let something go or being too patient. He did a good amount head hunting in there lol.

          • zola.chavez

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          • kiowhatta

            I agree..despite Jacobs rather clever smothering tactics, there were times when one thought, ‘now is the time to throw those combinations’, what are you doing G?’.
            There’s little doubt something was preventing him from committing to letting his hands go- which consequently allowed Jacobs space to get back in the fight after the 5th and 6th. No ‘big drama show’ GGG.
            What was strange was Golovkins answer to Kellermans question about not throwing his hands and hitting with evil intentions, “I’m not killer, this is boxing”.

          • Giuseppe

            we all know that GGG knows that we know “mex, this is boxing, mex”

    • Suk me dong

      The chixican will be
      Sacrificed…
      Maybe do it in November.
      Day of the dead?

    • Orca

      Nice post Jody. It can be very hard not to score rounds for a fighter who is doing way better than expected. I’ve heard some say that was the reason Leonard got the decision over Hagler (not me! SRL won fair and square) I had it 7-5, so a 3 point margin to GGG.

      • Jody Hanna

        Don’t start that off again, Leonard won but for some reason, some people can’t accept it.

        • Suk me dong

          Leonard never won, he run like my little sister susie Dong.

          • Captain Ron

            Reminds me of Floyd. The so-called GOAT.

          • Suk me dong

            Floyd run like my niece, mai bolt Dong.
            She used to run 40 miles a day to school and back.

        • Captain Ron

          Like I said before it’s like 30 years now and people can’t let that go. We still need that rematch with the winner fighting Canelo. Afterall GGG is still not old enough for Captain Poulet’s liking.

      • Ultimate sceptic

        No, Leonard landed a lot of clean punches to the head – a lot. Yes Marvin said they were pitty patty punches, true, but still a whole slew of them round after round, in spectacular bursts usually in the third minute. Much more active than Jacobs on Saturday.

      • Giuseppe

        Or see maidana mayweather.

    • maxx

      Indeed Jacobs with his range,size, power, jab and mobility would be a bigger nightmare to Alvarez than GGG would.Kudos Jody

      • Jody Hanna

        I meant that Jacobs was a harder fight for GGG than Canelo would be, but agree with you that Jacobs would be a nightmare for Canelo, which is why we’ll never get to see that fight.

        • maxx

          Totally agree in both assessments though I suspect the Canelo fight would be far more action packed, as Alvarez will pretty much try to stand in front of GGG and try to imitate James Toney.Kudos Jody

        • maxx

          Totally agree in both assessments though I suspect the Canelo fight would be far more action packed, as Alvarez will pretty much try to stand in front of GGG and try to imitate James Toney.Kudos Jody

    • mark elding

      I remember thinking Pernell Whitaker did enough to retain his belt first time v Wilfredo Rivera, even though Rivera did so much better than expected that most people considered it a robbery.
      Instant rewind on tape delay on key exhanges is a must on certain fights. It’s how I made Kovelev a ‘clear’ 114-113 winner over Ward. Just could not see it any closer.

    • Arjay Cee

      Enjoyed that, Jody.

      My second time watching, I went from undecided to giving GGG the nod by anywhere from one to three rounds. Rds 7-9 are up for grabs, but even if one gives them to Danny, it’s only a tie on my card. I saw (and so did Compubox) G out-throw and out-land him. Subjectively, I saw G land the more telling if not the more beautiful blows.

      Dougie points out G caught much of Danny’s fury on his gloves. And that G’s jab dictated the pace. While we all give Jacobs great credit, there’s a reason he fought on the run and in spurts: you don’t linger to trade bons mots with a human bazooka. He delivered the blueprint not for how to beat G, but how to look really good surviving him.

      Hats off to both men and I’d pay to see a rematch. Pretty sure it’d be the same contest of nerves, stubbornness, highwire balancing, electric spurts and tough judging calls. Suits me fine.

    • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

      So good of you to acknowledge your subconscious. Floyd would be proud! Err…..I mean Freud!

    • The Immortal S-Hop

      One of my employees asked me the other day, “If you were in the KKK what would your name be?”
      I said, “🙄 This is not a thing.”
      “But just suppose it were. What would your name be?”
      I sighed and paused, shrugged my shoulders and said, “Jody Hanna.”

      • Jody Hanna

        It’s got a ring to it.

        • TMT NYC-DA REAL GHOSTBUSTERS

          Kody Keith Kanna. KKK.

      • maxx

        Ivanka Drumpf!

      • Stephen M

        Haha!

    • Stephen M

      If you are going to be reasonable get the hell off of the internet!

      • Jody Hanna

        Eat shit you racist, French Canadian cocksucker!

        • Stephen M

          Lol. For a minute there you were making the rest of us look bad. It couldn’t last…

          • Jody Hanna

            Je connais

          • Leon T.

            “Je sais.” Google translate failed you.

          • Captain Ron

            Oh come on now. Some of us don’t need him for that!

        • Captain Ron

          Ha! Like to see you climb into the ring against David Lemieux and say that to him. Oh here’s a fact. Something different about Lemmy. His privates are actually in his fists. If he punches you you’re fucked!

    • D. Gambino

      Well said Jody. I thought the fight was close and initially thought Jacobs did enough to win BUT after watching it again, I now feel Golovkin won. I did not have the same feelings as I did with Kovalev/Ward (Kovalev won that fight).

      I predicted that Jacobs’ game plan would be to try keep the fight at a distance and attempt to out box Golovkin and he did exactly as predicted. I do feel that Alvarez could employ a similar game plan to what Jacobs did because Alvarez has the skills to do it.

      Is that Alvarez’s preferred style? No, BUT I’m sure Alvarez watched the fight and likely believes there is a “blueprint” on how to beat Golovkin now.

      • Rosalino Sanchez Felix

        but canelo is not 6 feet with longer arms, not sure he can pull it off

    • Captain Ron

      Yo H-Man. Big post. Got room fer a Slam-Bag?
      1. Wow. A cancer survivor goes the distance with the GGGoon-Bot and Chocolatito loses 0. Not that this past night was the weirdest thing that’s happened this year. I still can’t believe that Donald Gump’s now the Commander-In-Chief. OK it’s confirmed. The End is near. The sky’s gonna come crashing down and The Devil now has polar bears and penguins roaming his backyard.
      And sooner than you know it we’re gonna have flesh-eating zombies and mutated cockroaches reigning supreme. And Top Rank, GBP and Al Haymon will be pitting those roaches and zomboids against each other in the upcoming PPVs. Yup from Ultimate Fight Zombies to battle-bugs. There ya go.
      2. I didn’t watch the fights cuz I’m a cheap bastard. And I figured DJ wouldn’t make it past the 4th or 5th. But I’ll tune in next week for the rerun. And although Roman lost his 0 it seems that his P4P crown is still firmly his.
      3. Oh yeah Golovkin has been exposed but he didn’t get knocked out and he still won. So that still leaves out GGG vs Poulet Cannele (pardon my French). So who does Captain Poulet fight next once he gets the dissected remains of Chavez Jr out of the way. Jacobs? Nah! He just went the distance with GGG. He’ll never do. David Lemieux? Um he looked a little scary decapitating Curtis Stevens. Forget him. And Curtis Stevens? He got KOed 3 times and just got carried off in a stretch. He’s the man! So there you go. Captain Poulet vs Curtis Stevens. At the 155 catchweight off course. Can’t wait.

    • philoe bedoe

      Ive only watched it once, Sunday morning.
      And I also had Jacobs winning, thinking at the start of the eleventh that Golovkin needed a ko to win.
      I was genuinely surprised by the scores.
      I gave Jacobs a lot of credit for landing the more power punches and combinations.
      But I will watch it again and see if I got it wrong, I usually do lol…………

    • Will Arbuckle

      115 to 112 for trip.. Could of gone the other way without the knockdown.. Jacobs had a God plan… Box and reduce the chances of getting whacked… This the slightly boring fight.. I think we all can agree that trip can box ow at least. On to Saunders and the last belt

    • Ben Willis

      Great post. Most of us were expecting another wipeout by Golovkin, me included, so it was kind of surreal to see a competitive fight. I also find it impossible to score a fight without bias, especially on first viewing, but I think I gave Golovkin the benefit of the doubt in the close rounds because he was the General.

    • Mike M.

      Lol all that “exposed” talk is so stupid. I’d pick Jacobs to beat Canelo tomorrow lol.

  • Don Badowski

    I’d like everyone to take a look at the scorecards for the Golovkin / Jacobs fight.
    All 3 judges were unanimous in Golovkin winning R1. 2 of the 3 had him winning R2. 1 had him winning round 3. All had Golovkin winning R4 because of the KD of course. All had him winning R5.
    And the really funny thing, HBO scorer Harold Lederman scored Rounds 1 and 2 for Jacobs.
    Where it really gets weird is Rounds 10, 11 and 12. I was sure everyone could see Golovkin winning R12, but 2 of the 3 judges gave it to Jacobs. The HBO crew had R12 for Golovkin.
    Simply put, the scores by round for this fight are all over the place, but all were unanimous in the decision for Golovkin.

    • FreeWilly

      Actually, if you take the judges scores per round and score the round for each fighter based on the majority; you actually see that both fighters won six rounds apiece and the difference was the KD. Therefore, you can conclude that GGG won by a point and rightly so. Simples.

    • Jorge

      Yeah they were, the knockdown helped a lot for golovkin, But you can see it was a close fight as people have to reference the compustats. close fight.

    • Left Hook

      Judges need to be moved back from the ring. They need to sit where they can see the entire fight–because that is what they are supposed to be judging. Before TV, sure, maybe you needed different angles to make sure punches were or were not landing. But now??…put them in the HBO van to score. If their scores more closely resemble the masses on TV, it gives more faith (deserved or not) in the process. Perception is 9/10 of reality, and the perception of judges is that they don’t know what they are doing. Also, this is where judges should actually use the 10 point must system. 10-10 even, 10-9 close, 10-8 clear, 10-7 dominant. That is what the AIBA says. No mention of knockdowns to show it was clear. These clowns score a round that could go either way 10-9, but a clear round, where one fighter refuses to engage or does nothing or gets slapped around the exact same.

    • Dee Money

      I honestly wish there was a way for them to bring in new judges for every round, and just let them watch the round they are scoring (of course that would require 36 judges to be on hand and is no way feasible).
      But it does address what I think are some problems scoring, many judges tend to score rounds relative to previous rounds- ie if a fighter is doing better than before they’ll give him a round even if he didnt win. Also, judges will give a fighter later rounds once he has all but lost just so they don’t have lopsided scorecards.
      Rounds should be scored in a vacuum, and as written by others, judges should be further away.

  • Ciscostudent561

    I’m all for same day weigh Ins. But what I don’t get is how everyone was all givin Lemieux props even tho he was tippin the scales. Now that Danny is much bigger it’s a problem. I’m just callin it like I see it.

    • ceylon mooney

      lemieux got the same criticism for skipping the 2nd
      weigh in. plus the additional flak for missing weight in the past. hes gotten some shit too for fighting that guy who just came up from 154

  • DBone

    I don’t know what’s funnier. The guy who wrote in saying he gave Jacobs 8 rds or the guy in the comments section yesterday who said he had Jacobs winning by a point and the fight was one of the biggest robberies he’s ever seen. Man there are some dumb bastards out there. Sorry but if you gave Jacobs more than 6 rds you are seeing what you want to see.

    • D Johnson

      Lol totally agree!

    • Robert Archambault

      I was having a discussion on Twitter with a guy who says Jacobs won clearly and then I realize that he also feels that Cotto easily beat Canelo when they fought. So much for that discussion. 🙂

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      It was a close fight that could have gone either way depending on what you favor. For me it was GGG who controlled the fight with the Jab and let some rounds go because he was looking too much for the KO. I think in a rematch he doesn’t wait that much and doesn’t give two of the first three rounds. I think the first round was a swing round. Nobody did anything and people just asume that because nobody did anything you have to give it to the boxer, I gave it to GGG and that made it 7-5.

    • Ross Turner

      If the people who had jacobs winning actually watched the fight and actually count the punches landed, no way would they give it to Jacobs. Doing just that, I had GGG up 6 rounds to 3 at the end of the 9th and one of those 6 was a 10-8 round. Jacob’s couldn’t win at that point without a knockout or knockdown and win the last 3. He (Jacob’s) did not win the 12th, so 115-112 is an accurate score for GGG.

      • DBone

        I had 115-112 as well

      • DBone

        I had 115-112 as well

    • Ross Turner

      If the people who had jacobs winning actually watched the fight and actually count the punches landed, no way would they give it to Jacobs. Doing just that, I had GGG up 6 rounds to 3 at the end of the 9th and one of those 6 was a 10-8 round. Jacob’s couldn’t win at that point without a knockout or knockdown and win the last 3. He (Jacob’s) did not win the 12th, so 115-112 is an accurate score for GGG.

    • Word.

  • Juan Manuel Valverde

    Canelo fans, did you guys forget you barely got passed Austin Trout with the help of a Knockdown? And let me tell you something, Trout ain’t Jacobs. There are close fights in boxing and the difference comes down to damage. The only guy I could see that got hurt in this fight was Jacobs and thats why he lost.

    • Jorge

      I will say this styles make fights, and GGG had trouble with the southpaw stance which Trout favors. If Trout was a true middleweight I think he would have presented a lot of problems to GGG as he did to Cotto and Canelito.

      • D Johnson

        A huge southpaw whose power he had to respect. that wouldn’t be the case with trout.

        • Jorge

          Maybe but Jacobs switching to southpaw he didn’t carry that power anymore, just from his jabs. I thought what troubled GGG was not the power but the movement and boxing.

          • D Johnson

            How do you know he didn’t carry that power anymore? he was still throwing hard to my eyes . If triple G fought trout he would have an entire training camp to train for a southpaw. Also they would be roughly the same size on fight night.

          • Jorge

            I think because his best shot or power punch is the right hand. He was using it as a jab when switching if that makes sense. So it didn’t carry the power if he was throwing it from his normal stance. While effective as a jab its not the same as an overhand right or straight right hand.

      • Julio

        Jacobs was pretty effective shooting the straight left down the pipe here and there, but I just didn’t see him stamping his mark on the fight enough. Below average or not, I think that GGG was still deceptively effective with both his offense and defense. The only thing I question is his seemingly disinterested demeanor throughout the fight. Looked like he was just going through the motions for several stretches.

    • Charlie U.

      Don’t see any Canelo fans around here, do you?

      • DBone

        They are like Bigfoot

  • D Johnson

    I said before the fight we’d see the best version that Danny Jacobs had offer and we did. That being said I still had to GGG winning 8 rounds. I think people’s expectations that Danny was going to get steamrolled affected their scorecards. GGG controlled most of the action with a hard jab that had Danny’s face busted up pretty good by the end of the fight. He knocked him down and out landed him in almost every round. Good close fight but there is no controversy in my opinion.

    • ceylon mooney

      i was wrong about jacobs. his last 3 fights dint show me anything that wouldnlast
      him very long, and daaaaam was i wrong. tense, close matchup.

      he brought enuf to win, just didnt do enuf with it.

    • Julio

      I agree. Close fight, but Golovkin still managed to dictate the tempo with his jab. Jacobs displayed some nice movement around and the flashy flurries, but they were not that effective anyways. Was holding a tad too much, failed to hurt or even wobble GGG, and got dropped in the process. Gennady for whatever the reason didn’t bring with him his hunting game. That is the only head-scratcher to me. Still, the right man won.

      • D Johnson

        Agreed. Im surprised GGG head hunted so much. I thought he would’ve tried to touch Jacob’s body a little more.

        • Julio

          He was seeking for the homerun for the most part and barely went to the body. I know that Jacobs was moving very well, but still, there was something missing from GGG as far as his own footwork and the way he walked Jacobs down.

        • wayne reid

          agreed

  • Left Hook

    Did anybody else think this was George Foreman-Tommy Morrison 2? Two big hitters, you know somebody is going down….and then you get a boxing match?

    • ceylon mooney

      ha! good call

    • Barney mcgrew

      I hate it when that happens.

    • Jorge

      Chiquita Gonzalez v Carbajal 2

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      Well, both are boxer punchers. They know when to box and when to punch. I kind of expected this.

  • Barney mcgrew

    To stop all of these fights ending in controversial decisions, I propose fights to the finish.

    • Left Hook

      Do you think that fewer, longer rounds would get us to that end? Like, 5 7-minute rounds? I am wondering how long a fighter can hold up in a round. Much different than MMA. Of course, ward/klit/broner could hug alllll niggghtttt long…

    • Robert Archambault

      Bring back same day weigh ins and 15 round title fights. That should be enough to clear things up.

      • Pietey Trenton

        You are making alot of sense robert, and giving a fairly unbiased view of the fight, good onya mate

        • Robert Archambault

          I do my best. Most people don’t like or appreciate it though. Thanks for the kind words.

  • maxx

    Excellent mailbag as always Doug, good analysis of GGG vs Maravilla……..I am completely gutted by the controversial Gonzalez loss, the damn judges have taken the oooomph of out the superfight with Inoue and lucky you being at the Sorjaturong vs Gonzalez classic.Kudos Doug.

    • Orca

      I often watch the first Carbajal Goinzalez fight in a double bill with the Sorjaturong Gonzalez fight. Superb fights. I don’t hate Gonzalez by the way! Just great fights.

      • maxx

        Indeed they truly were.Kudos

    • Thanks!

  • John Swan

    Quick ballbag?

    1. Golovkin-Jacobs decision. I didn’t score the fight but I watched on Boxnation, who scored it to Jacobs, and I didn’t feel what they were saying was against what I was seeing myself. On that basis I have no problem with anybody who scored it in favour of Jacobs (and for that I await the wrath of the self-appointed Grand Judging Master Dougie 😉 . Perhaps if I scored it myself or rewatched it I’d think differently, but as with the Kovalev-Ward fight, I don’t think it’s the type of fight that warrants a repeat viewing. I haven’t seen the full set of press scorecards yet but I’m assuming they’ll reflect similarly to how Kovalev-Ward did, with the majority for Kovalev/GGG.

    2. Is Golovkin on the slide? I’m not sure, but at 35 he’s already peaked physically. He can still take a hell of a punch without flinching (I didn’t see anything to suggest he was hurt in any way, contrary to what was reported by a few journalists), though I do wonder if there may have been even the slightest element of beginning to hold back on pulling the trigger. Maybe he gave Jacobs too much respect, or maybe Jacobs size and power was enough to warrant it – it’s difficult for us observers to know for sure. Overall I can’t help but be a little disappointed with what I saw from Golovkin. Maybe I overrated him and underrated Jacobs (my prediction was an easy KO win for Golovkin).

    3. Jacobs tactics. I hate runners and though Jacobs was in some quarters being accused of fighting to survive as opposed to win the titles, I felt that assessment was harsh. For me he did enough to stay out of trouble while still doing enough to win rounds and deter his opponent from committing too much to his offence. Golovkin stalked and stalked, yet Jacobs was quick and accurate enough to counter effectively. I couldn’t help but think during the fight when his corner told him to “soften him up first” , that it was Jacobs himself being softened up and I feared it might turn out too much like Stevenson-Bellew where Bellew himself got softened up and taken out before he ever got a chance to launch an offence of his own. Thankfully I was wrong, the tactics were excellent and were carried out brilliantly. On another night and without the knockdown he may just have won a decision.

    4. Rematch? Doubtful for this year, but likely for 2018 assuming GGG settles business with Canelo and Jacobs can continue to make weight and get another win or two of his own. Of the two and considering their ages, I think Jacobs is the more likely to grow and improve from their first fight.

    5. The little king is dead, long live the king. With Gonzales now beaten, albeit under controversial circumstances, does that now elevate Andre Ward to no.1? No doubt there will be groans all around if that’s the case, but I don’t think GGG’s win over Jacobs was impressive enough for him to rise above the American. For what it’s worth, having a little guy, no matter how good he is, sitting at the top of the P4P rankings never sat well with me. My bad.

    • Orca

      5. I Not sure what you mean about ‘having a little guy, no matter how good he is, sitting at the top of the P4P rankings never sat well with me’….? I still rate Gonzalez above Ward for a multitude of reasons not least of all is that I believe he won saturdays fight and Ward lost his last fight.

      • Chris Stans

        He doesn’t understand the meaning of pound for pound

    • Juan Manuel Valverde

      You make good points and I don’t think you’re wrong in any of them. I don’t totally agree as I scored for GGG, but there was a good argument for Jacobs. To me, Jacobs didn’t do enough to unseat the king and thats that. I saw it with a group of people that liked both fighters, two scored it 6-6 with the knockdown being the difference, another scored for Jacobs 114-113 and I scored it 115-112 (7-5) for GGG. As you can see, this pretty much sums up what most people saw; a very close fight that was appreciated differently depending on how you see the fight.

    • Captain Ron

      Slam-Bag Inside the Ballbag:
      1. How about GGG-DJ 2 and Ward-Kovalev on the same card.
      2. Wow yer going from a GGGoon t a GGG-hater? Hey there’s hope fer you yet lol! And now you have a common interest with your good buddy Autosmell.
      3. Funny how that anyone who goes the distance with GGG his the canvas. Just anyone who goes the distance with Kov also hits the mat.
      4. Sounds like DJ already is no longer that guy who got knocked cold by Pirog and looked like shit against Sergio Mora.
      5. Doesn’t sound to me like the little king is dead. Sounds more like he just got screwed. And Ward’s now yer P4P king? Based on what Bro. The fact that Ward couldn’t get Alexander Brand out of there or that he got his bell repeatedly rung by Kovalev.
      6. The GGGoon-Bot would have been too damn strong fer little Tito. And now Sarah hates us both. But then again she’s naming herself after B-Hop so maybe she’ll forgive us too. GGG-Martinez? Not sure. Either Maravilla will be too fast or he gets caved in. Sorry for wimping out on this one.

    • Autosmell

      how are you?

    • Charlie U.

      Good bag, Swan and good for you for kinda admitting you were wrong about Jacobs. You pissed on him pretty hard in previous ball bags. Welcome back.

  • Larry Connor

    I don’t care what excuses any of the ggg nut huggers have to say, ggg loss a close fight.

    GGG looks awesome when fighting subpar low level guys or guys with skills two weight classes smaller than he is, but put him the ring with a guy with a boxing pulse and suddenly ggg looks ordinary. Suddenly he looks fearful of return fire, suddenly his extrodinary ring cutting ability looks hesitant and suspect. All I wanted to see was ggg in the ring with one “Elite fighter/toss up type fight” on paper so I could properly judge if ggg was the true goods or not and it didn’t even take an “elite fighter” for me to find out. GGG is solid, but not special. He’s a great marketing product. Hats off to his promoter and the huge HBO marketing machine for created this mythical beast.

    GGG has fought over 30 something fights, he’s in his 30’s and this is first time fighting someone on Jacobs’s level?? Yet ggg was being considered one of aMW’s monster of all times?? Nawww we need to stop that BS. Like I said, ggg is solid, but not special. After Saturday’s fight, no where in Dr Strange’s universe could I see ggg jumping up 2 weight class’s to fight an elite bigger guy as Brooks and Khan did. If ggg did decide to do that, well we saw what happened to Brooks and Khans.

    End of the day ggg will do ok in the Watered down MW division, but I believe it’s in ggg’s best interest to stay in his current division. GGG has a mystic of being an animal, but I see a few guys putting on their horse breaking gear and looking forward to exposing your boy.

    • NaoyaSantaCruz

      how the f*ck does someone named Larry Connor not know English?
      “…ggg was being considered one of aMW’s monster of all times?”
      “GGG has a mystic of being an animal”
      and WTF is a “boxing pulse”
      obviously u r stupid as all hell and your opinions r worthless.

      • Larry Connor

        Shut your, “look at me!! I can proof read comments in the comment section, so that makes me awesome!” Looking as up! Now proof read and correct that dumb ass!!

      • Orca

        Tsk tsk, you don’t know what a boxing pulse is? Casual.

    • D Johnson

      Lol, you never disappoint Larry! As usual your comments and opinions are well-thought-out, balanced and without bias. Keep it up there big guy! just remember you’re fighting the good fight!

      • Larry Connor

        Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    • Jorge

      Top of the BS mountain to you….

      Yet you picked GGG by KO.

      • D Johnson

        That’s called hedging ones bets…, that way he can talk out of both sides of his ass 😄

      • Larry Connor

        You are correct. I did pick ggg by ko as did 99% of the planet. I assumed based on how dominant ggg was against sub par guys that he would also destroy an average guy. BOY WAS I WRONG!!

        GGG is solid, but nothing special.

        • Jorge

          Right it’s just your Monday morning quarterbacking as usual always makes you seem to know that this would happen. But as usual you were wrong and picked GGG by 4th rd KO. But now you are enlightened.

          • Larry Connor

            In no parts of my post did I insinuate that I knew that this would happen. You “usual suspects” are 🤡🤡.

            Love to make shit up.

        • hunger pains

          But You think ward is “spectacular” when he gets gift decisions by clinching and goes the distance with 40 yr old bums like Alexander Brand

    • Jody Hanna

      It’s Brook not Brooks.

      • Larry Connor

        Great looking out. 😒😒

    • Charlie U.

      Get lost, Connor. You dismissed this fight and Jacobs for months and I called you out for it every time. You tried hard to put GGG in a no-win situation. He fought the 2nd best middleweight in the world, knocked him down and out landed him. He didn’t knock him out like he did his previous 23 opponents and now, according to you, that makes him ordinary?? You’re the worst kind of fan. In fact, you’re not even a fan. You come here just to push your agenda. I won’t say what that agenda is but I don’t have to. Most everyone can see it for themselves.

      • Larry Connor

        You sound like a retard with your head stuck in the sand. I’ve been saying for the past 24 months, that all I wanted to see was this guy ggg whom you guys acted as if he was the second coming of Jesus, to get in the ring with an elite fighter so I could properly evaluate him. He still has not gotten in the ring with an elite fighter, but he did get into the ring with an ok fighter and I was not impressed with his performance. I can only imagine if he was in the ring with the likes of a b hop, RJJ, Hagler, Jermaine Taylor what would happen to him.

        I have no doubt after seeing ggg struggle with Jacobs that ggg would have gotten embarrassed by Ward no doubt about it. If you hate hearing that then that’s your confused problem 🤡

        GGG is solid, but not special.

        • Chris Stans

          So the only way for Golovkin to be “special” is to defeat Andre Ward, a man that outweighs him by at least fifteen pounds.
          You moaned like a whore when g fought Brook, but now you want Ward to fight g…

          • Larry Connor

            I didn’t say he needs to fight Ward dumb ass!! You clowns are hilarious with pulling false statements out your ass. I said he would not do anything remotely close to what Brook or Khan did. I also said it’s best that he finish his career at MW. that’s best for him.

            GGG is solid, but nothing special.

          • Larry Connor

            I didn’t say he needs to fight Ward dumb ass!! You clowns are hilarious with pulling false statements out your ass. I said he would not do anything remotely close to what Brook or Khan did. I also said it’s best that he finish his career at MW. that’s best for him.

            GGG is solid, but nothing special.

          • Chris Stans

            Then why do u keep talking about Ward kicking his ass. You’re always crying about him losing to Ward Do u frequently talk about fighters two weight classes apart facing each other? What’s your opinion on Easter vs Thurman?

          • Larry Connor

            I didn’t just say Ward would kick his ass. At the end of the day after watching ggg go life and death with an ordinary fighter in Jacobs, Mythical matchups concerning ggg is no longer valid. From what I saw this past Saturday, ggg could not share the ring with an elite fighter.

            Kovalev even in his loss is a much better figure than ggg. Chocalito is a much better fighter than ggg.

            From this point on, if Canelo wins his next fight, I’m picking Canelo to win vs ggg and I don’t care who don’t like it.

            GGG is solid, but he’s not special

          • Chris Stans

            Alright man I’ll admit he didn’t necessarily live up to the perception of him, but Jacobs had the advantage in speed, size, and possibly about even in power. But Golovkin still beat him with pure skill

          • Larry Connor

            I personally feel Jacobs won even with the knock down, but i can also see with it being a close fight how ggg won. It was a very close fight.

            As far as Jacobs Jacobs having the advantage of size and speed. You are correct, which reaffirm to me that ggg is solid, but not special. He struggled and I saw things that I’ve never saw from ggg. He was hesitant through out the fight. Also some of Jacobs shots stunned ggg.

          • Chris Stans

            This fight is what made me think ggg is more than just solid. I thought that his style would be picked apart by a guy that was physically larger and faster, but he proved me wrong

          • Pietey Trenton

            Go life and death? What fight where you watching cocksuck?

          • Larry Connor

            The fight between you and your mom, fudge packer.

    • Orca

      Why you so angry? Did Gennady make ‘big drama show’ with your girlfriend? I agree that he shouldn’t jump to 175 but then I’ve always thought that. It would have been like Hagler moving up and fighting Spinks. GGG is a natural 160 pounder.

      • Larry Connor

        Not angry. If you took time to follow the thread, you would see that I only talk shit when cronies resort to name calling. Then I put the smack down on that ass!!!

      • TNT

        GGG only “big drama shows” with the Ishidas of the world. And the mindless, sheep-like sycophants obsess over it like teenage virgens watching some low grade porn.

        • D Johnson

          Lol ok partner, ok

    • TNT

      I had Jacobs winning too.

    • If by “exposed” you mean Golovkin out-jabbed, outworked, out-landed and connected nearly 50% of his power punches against Jacobs, I agree 100%.

      At the end of the day, GGG keeps three major 160-pound titles, Danny gets another “L” on his pro ledger. But he should hold his head up given the effort he put forth, and maybe should consider going up in weight if he’s gonna put on that many pounds after the weigh-in. I’m sure you’re in favor of Jacobs moving to super middleweight, since you view middleweight as “watered down.”

    • Pietey Trenton

      Fuck. Off. Cunt.

      • Larry Connor

        Eat a dick bitch

  • Marxuach

    You must be a GGG hater or delusional if you scored it for Jacobs.

    • TNT

      Or you are a complete muppet who refuses to accept that the fight was competitive, close, and some rounds could have gone either way.

      • Marxuach

        Where the fuck did I say it wasn’t competitive? It was bro it was close but a clear win for G.

        • TNT

          You are saying that anyone who scored the fight for Jacobs is either A) a GGG hater or B) delusional. It was far from a “clear win for GGG.” Many people scored the fight for Jacobs and even some who scored for GGG recognized that many rounds could have gone either way. Although I scored the fight for Jacobs 115-113 that doesn’t bring me to call others biased, haters, delusional if they scored it for GGG. Some rounds could go either way.

          • Marxuach

            It was close bro but a obvious win for G .

            Who do you got ? The truth vs special K

          • TNT

            I obviously had Jacobs winning 115-113. The British broadcasters on sky also scored for Jacobs (one cannot claim they were biased for the American).

            Brook is my fighter, win or lose. I’ll be rooting for him. I haven’t seen enough of Spence outside of a few fights but I am not impressed (never have been dating back to the Olympics).

            How about yourself?

          • Marxuach

            Yea Brook is solid, I really gave Brook a lot of credit for fighting GGG. He became one of my top fighters to watch. I think he’s fought better opponents.

            We’ll see how good Spence

            You being from UK . Is it true Khan/Pacquiao is off ??

          • TNT

            That fight was never likely to be one anyways. Why would you think I am from the UK?

          • Marxuach

            You’re not? Fuck. All that British talk. Lol

  • NaoyaSantaCruz

    f*ck kellerman! dude is fucking tool and half. all he wants to do is tell what he thinks is “the narrative” of the fight over and over again, plus he’s a douche-bag, at this point i dont even think that kellerman is really even a hardcore fan. give me Al Bernstein over that twatter any day.

    commentary dream team:
    blow x blow = Lamps (also a casual, and he can b a douche too but he has the golden voice and he would better if kellerman and rjj werent dragging him down).

    expert commentator = Fisher (not to kiss-ass but the brother is mostly always on point)

    former boxer/trainer role = Malignaggi (he can be annoying especially when defending light-fisted punchers and defensive-stylist, or defending his sometimes bizarre scoring of fights, but still i think he’s good at what he does)

  • Suk me dong

    Blow job saunders & then the Mexican chicken will be sliced and diced.

    • Autosmell

      hi Suk my dong you new round here?

      • Suk me dong

        Hi
        Nice car.
        My uncle, Lam ‘Little chop’ dong. Had a car like that.
        He was always picking pussy cats up in that car, them back seats got very sticky..

  • Charlie U.

    For months I was somewhat torn about this fight because these are two of my favorite fighters. Going in, I knew Jacobs wasn’t getting enough credit but I still felt like GGG was going to break him down late in the fight. Watching the fight live, I think I did get taken in a bit by the fact that Jacobs was a 7-1 dog and was doing something no one thought he could do; make GGG look human. I didn’t score round by round but my first thought was that Jacobs got the victory. I believe he landed the bigger punches. But many of you brought up good points in the past couple of days. GGG was the clear aggressor, he pushed the fight, he landed more, he threw more, and he knocked Jacobs down. When has a fighter done that and lost? Jacobs did have an edge in power punches landed but, although I’m sure GGG felt them, it never looked like they hurt him. I’m planning on watching the fight again today and scoring the it round by round. I wouldn’t be surprised if I see it a little differently now, without the emotion, away from the noisy bar, and drinking water instead of vodka martinis. Haha.

    • Orca

      ……..’GGG was the clear aggressor, he pushed the fight, he landed more, he threw more, and he knocked Jacobs down. When has a fighter done that and lost?’…………Kovalev called, he want’s his titles back.

      • Julio

        Right. The only thing missing was GGG’s footwork, better body work and the usual hunting mindset. Still, I think he was deceptively effective, even if you consider this his worst showing since he became champ.

        • Ten Count Toronto

          I don’t think it was deceptively effective. I think it was just OK and he had an opponent who was to shy to get going until the last minute of round 5. I thought it was Jacob’s fight from the 6th on, but not nearly by enough rounds to make up for the knockdown and being a spectator the entire first one third of the bout,

          • Julio

            I think it was deceptive because in my view, a little too much credit is given to what Jacobs did. Sure he fought the fight of his life, but GGG (even though this was easily his worst outing ever) still managed to control the tempo of the fight enough to win. In spite of his poor footwork, lack of consistent body work and overall aggression, and a seemingly disinterested attitude, did sufficiently well to take this fight primarily with one arm. Many of Jacobs shots didn’t land cleanly, or didn’t land at all with GGG either slipping them, or caught them with the gloves, elbows and arms.

      • Charlie U.

        Good point.

  • NeverReadTheComments

    WTF Fury and klitsco doing in Ring’s ratings.They both don’t fought year and half.By the rules,if boxer don’t compete over the year he drops from ratings.

    • Klitschko has a fight scheduled and Fury is still RING champ for the time being…

  • learnmore

    I re-watched the fight today & I’ve come to the general view that the first 3 rounds are crucial to how you score this fight. If you had it 3-0 to Jacobs, your scorecard probably had Jacobs has the winner. Given Jacobs all of the first 3 rounds means that you were not given GGG any credit for his consistent jab he was landing. Jacobs did not land any clean effective head shot on GGG until the 3rd round with 22 seconds to go. When GGG was holding him & he threw a left hand which landed. I agree with Dougie, GGG did not throw enough body shots, it surprises me when people say GGG was exposed vs Brook & now exposed vs Jacobs. He was so exposed I would take GGG to beat Brook & Jacobs in a rematch, the difference between the 2 fights was that GGG was defensively responsible vs Jacobs. I think the scorecard could be anything from 115-112(7-5) to GGG,114-113(6-6) to GGG & 114-113(7-5) to Jacobs if you gave DJ the first 3 rounds. Anyone who has Jacobs winning 8 rounds is living in cuckoo land

    • Rick

      I agree the difference in Golovkin’s performance was that he was mindful of Jacobs size and power instead of bum rushing his way in willing to take a few shots like against previous opponents.

      • Rosalino Sanchez Felix

        yep!

  • EastMan

    golovkin-fucking scared ugly half-korean bum,weakest “champion” of all time and all his nuthuggers-bunch of stupid mindless faggots,who follow the hype

    • Rick

      Hey Doug, why has this douchebag not been banned yet?

      • Does he always spout the racist stuff and four-letter words?

        • Rick

          I assure you that’s the only stuff he posts on here.

  • learnmore

    I hope Wayne is about, my predictions are normally awful. One of the very few people to predict GGG v Jacobs going the full 12 rounds & put my money on it. £100 on 3-1. Happy days

    • Ted Mendez

      Nice

    • Charlie U.

      Nice pick, good score, dude!

    • wayne reid

      Good job Learnmore! your ’17 predictions are making you some $,glad we didn’t bet on this fight lol i bet G winning by the 6r, boy was i shocked the fight went 12r all good tho it was my first time seeing Triple G fight live & the Garden was amazing best $200 i ever spent even tho i lost $100 on my bet

  • NeverReadTheComments

    ggg finally exposed.Even dumbest of his fans(and they all really dumb) now understand that he is mediocre hype-product

  • learnmore

    If Jacobs don’t build on this good performance it would be a travesty his team need to get him out in the next few months (if he is not carrying an injury from the fight what need time to heal) Jacobs v Lee in NY would be my choice in June/July. I cant see him agreeing to fight prospects/contenders like Aleem, Sulecki, Derevyanchenko (who have been on PBC) or Murata, Brant. If its not Lee & he wants a more established middleweight. I agree N’Dam, Eubank jr, Monroe jr, Heiland are options. Just hope Jacobs is not inactive

  • JV316

    boxing as polarizing as politics right now. seems like every big fight lately has a popular vote winner and an electoral college winner.

  • Ted Mendez

    “Bum” and “Robbery” are the two most over-used words by boxing fans. There are no world-class “bums” in boxing. As for robbery, there are some prime examples–Fenech vs. Nelson I; Napoles vs. Muniz I; Hagler vs. Antuofermo I, etc.–but nothing like that occurred on this card. I will say that Gonzalez deserved the decision. If you’re the champ and you’re on the front foot, hammer the challenger with shots and score the decisive blows, you deserve to have your hand raised at the end. Savage fight but I had him winning by three points. And I had Golovkin the close but clear winner over Jacobs.

  • RayK

    Thankfully I’ve found a good copy of both fights. Gonzalez is a class act. There’s also a decent article over on ‘The Fight City’ about the main event.

  • Jim Parkinson

    GGG-Jacobs was not the worst decision of all time; it wasn’t even the worst decision of the night. But it still was a clear win for Jacobs. When will people realize that “one guy made the fight” and “you have to take the title from the champion” are nonsense excuses? Marching forward while looking completely befuddled is not “making the fight.” And you can “take the title” by outboxing a guy and shutting down his offense.

    In the late rounds, the HBO commentary crew (who should’ve been sent to the glue factory years ago) appeared to be giving GGG rounds for doing nothing but shaking his head “no” after getting hit with solid shots. And for some reason Lampley wasn’t screeching “HE SHAKES HIS HEAD ‘NO’! THAT MEANS HE WAS HURT!!!!” as he usually does. To paraphrase a line from Gabriel Montoya years ago: there was an early birthday party for GGG on Saturday, and he walked away with a free boxing lesson and a gift.

    Despite that, it was still a good night for boxing. A brutal semi-main event and a competitive, dramatic main event. I definitely feel I got my money’s worth. But it was not a good night for the judges or the commentators.

    • Charlie U.

      Not a bad post from you, Parkinson. Don’t agree with everything but you’ve shown some growth here. Also, there’s a lot less ‘douchiness’ than usual. Keep it up.

      • Jody Hanna

        I thought that.

      • Jim Parkinson

        Thanks! But I find your opinion of me, and every other subject, completely irrelevant.

        • Charlie U.

          Ahh, well at least you’re bright enough to recognize a very backhanded compliment. I wouldn’t have thought that before today. Aren’t you afraid that your hero Trump is going to deport you and your girlfriend?

    • Dee Money

      I don’t think they gave the late rounds to GGG for “shaking his head” as much as they did for landing more punches than Jacobs did. Which he did in every round other than the 6th, 7th, and 10th.

    • Dee Money

      I don’t think they gave the late rounds to GGG for “shaking his head” as much as they did for landing more punches than Jacobs did. Which he did in every round other than the 6th, 7th, and 10th.

    • TNT

      It delights me to read one of your posts again and honestly pains me to find myself reading others. You make too much sense of this forum.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Jacobs landed 25 jabs in the entire fight. In what universe is a “boxing lesson” taught without a jab? Golovkin outlanded Jacobs in 9 of the 12 rounds. Any “outboxing” that doesn’t involve landing punches is like and orgasm that doesn’t involve physical contact.

      Now have a cigarette and put the VR goggles back on!

  • Autosmell

    yall wanna feel my bag?

    1. For you sheeps too broke to steal the fights let me lay it down for you.

    2. That China man put his boot up str8t up Chocotacos ass! China 1 Mexico 0.

    3. Jacob juke and jive, slap the hive and made your mammy feel live! He fake the funk, slap a monk and call faGGG a punk! He show his class and tapped dat ass with his balls of brass! smh If you saw Randall-Coggi then you saw Jacob-GGG same shit.

    4. Lemme splain there is 3 types of sheeps in life: Trump sporters and Libholes and faGGG fans. Witch one are you??? Trump sporters dont watch Fox News to get the news they watch cuz they like there take on the news. Libholes dont watch CNN to get news they watch cuz it makes them feel good bout them selfs. faGGG fans read gay man porn mags cuz they want to learn bout stocks.

    5. Danny Jacob aint the only one who get screw on Sat so did Chuck Berry too RIP.

    • Captain Ron

      1. OK! lets hear it from a true pro.
      2. Speaking of the Chinese it seems that Top Rank has a hard time finding a PPV date fer Manny Pacquiao. So they arranged a tag-team match pitting Manny Pacquiao, Takashi Muira, and Chocolatito’s China-man against a team of flesh-eating Zombies. And before you know it there was those Top Rank guys getting chased by those very same pissed-off zombies who don’t like Oriental food.
      3. Like I said before FaGGG is the Ray Romano of boxing. Everybody loves him. I guess that includes the fight judges.
      4. There’s 5 actually. Don’t forget the Floyd-Freaks and the Mental Wards.

    • Captain Ron

      1. OK! lets hear it from a true pro.
      2. Speaking of the Chinese it seems that Top Rank has a hard time finding a PPV date fer Manny Pacquiao. So they arranged a tag-team match pitting Manny Pacquiao, Takashi Muira, and Chocolatito’s China-man against a team of flesh-eating Zombies. And before you know it there was those Top Rank guys getting chased by those very same pissed-off zombies who don’t like Oriental food.
      3. Like I said before FaGGG is the Ray Romano of boxing. Everybody loves him. I guess that includes the fight judges.
      4. There’s 5 actually. Don’t forget the Floyd-Freaks and the Mental Wards.

      • Autosmell

        if you see that mental ward guy tell him i said hey hey hey.

        • DBone

          He’s out in the barn fucking a cat. The usual

          • Autosmell

            snap!!!!!

  • Chris Stans

    Does anyone remember RJJ reasoning for why Gonzalez didn’t fit as number 1 p4p?

  • Charlie U.

    I see no way that Chocalatito could’ve lost that fight. Worst decision in a big fight in recent memory. Much worse than Kov-Ward.

    • Chris Stans

      And now Ward is going to end up #1 p4p

      • Rick

        Booo!

    • David Telfer

      Behave yourself.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Very tough fight to judge, 3 or 4 rounds where Gonzalez clearly out-boxed and out-landed Rungvisai but I felt Rungvisai landed most of the telling and momentum carrying blows, Simillar to Vargas-Salido. I was so wrapped up in the action I had a hard time keeping up with scoring, but I had it even through 10 and i felt Rungvisai wasted the first half of 11 & 12 just bouncing & pawing so I ended up giving those to Gonzalez. But I got the feeling Rungvisai may have “won the war” if not enough of the round-by-round battles…

  • Larry Connor

    To make it crystal clear to those with limited comprehension. I’ve always said that I wanted to see ggg in with an elite fighter. The type of fight that was considered 50/50 on paper so that I can determine if ggg was as good as everyone made him out to be. We’ve all read the comments over the past couple of years; guys feeling ggg would destroy this elite guy and that elite guy, etc etc. I didn’t fall for the marketing hype because he hadn’t proven himself. Well he didn’t get in the ring with an elite fighter, but he did get in the ring with an average guy at best when comparing Jacobs to the elites of the past and up and coming guys of the MW division. I assumed that ggg would murder Jacobs based on Jacobs being average (but a champion) and ggg beating the shit out of subpar competition. I mean damn, he was knocking these subpar guys out with ease you know, but the minute he step up his competition to the average level. He straight struggled. If he struggled with Jacobs as bad as he did. I’m going on record as saying that if Canelo win his next fight, the ggg gravy train is over. Canelo will beat that ass!!!

    Another thing is I’m a firm believer as of now that ggg should never go up in weight. He wouldn’t last at all. Stick to the MW. Even if and when you lose to Canelo, you can still make a living off the other subpar guys that still live there. Watch out for the “TWIN” though. You may want to stay away from him.

    GGG is solid, but he’s not special.

    • Charlie U.

      What makes you think Jacobs is average? His loss to Pirog was 7 freaking years ago and Pirog retired undefeated with a 75% KO percentage. Further, I DISTINCTLY remember you talking up Peter Quillin and wondering when GGG was going to fight him. Well, Jacobs KTFO’d Quillin in the first round, and now Jacobs has lost to GGG. Jacobs is no slouch, he had a very good amateur career, and he’s now become a very good professional. He’s the second best middleweight in the entire world. Stop talking crap.

      • Larry Connor

        Man stop it. Oh I forgot Charlie, you are a part of the “usual suspects”. You guys tend to pull imaginary statements out of your ass’s to push your agenda.

        I’ve never talked up Kid Chocalate. Step your debate game up and step away from the lies. Yes Jacob is average, no one considers or considered Jacob to be an elite special fighter, so let’s not get all brand new now that Jacob made ggg look like what ggg is “solid, but nothing special”.

        There is no secret that the MW division is weak right now so stop it with all the” Jacobs is the #2 middle weight in the world ” talk. Yea that’s true Jacob is #2, but that does not mean he’s a world beater and will be ranked in the top 20 in the history books. Not even top 40 to be honest. Jacobs was supposed to be another victim, another ko, shit didn’t go that way. GGG got EXPOSED!!

        GGG is solid, but nothing special.

        • Turner Wednesday

          A bit like your posts I guess. Solid, but nothing special. I’m with Charlie on this one.

          • Larry Connor

            I’m quite sure you do agree with Charlie.

        • Charlie U.

          So, that’s your criteria? Because GGG didn’t KO Jacobs, he got exposed? What does that say about your man-crush Floyd Mayweather? Or Andre Ward? They’ve gone the distance with fighters who were far worse than Jacobs.

          • Larry Connor

            I didn’t say he had to ko Jacobs. You seriously have problems.

          • Charlie U.

            “Jacobs was supposed to be another victim, another ko, shit didn’t go that way. GGG got EXPOSED!!”

            Hmmm. Reads that way to me. Well, it reads that way to everyone but you and Floyd…for obvious reasons.

          • David Telfer

            Styles make fights, it’s that simple. By your logic Mayweather wouldn’t be elite as he struggled against ‘average’ Marcos Maidana?

          • Larry Connor

            Styles does makes fight, but in this instance you can’t use the Floyd comparison because we had a body of work to judge Floyd on prior to maidana (meaning that Floyd had several fights against elite guys. He started early in his career testing himself against elite bad ass’s) and Floyd gave him an immediate rematch to leave no doubt that he was on a different level than maidana.

          • David Telfer

            So what if GGG gives Jacobs a rematch and demolishes him within a few rounds? I was a Mayweather fan but he ALWAYS took the safe route, especially later in his career. There are multiple fighters that he could’ve fought and chose not to.

            Also, in their entire careers, Mayweather has lost more fights than GGG has.

          • Larry Connor

            That will go a long way in changing my opinion of him. As of now, I feel that ggg is solid, but nothing special.

            Trying to break a defense record in a watered down division that’s his idea of building his legacy is his choice, but with out chasing challenges like those in other weight classes sucks to me.

            I can name several current fighters who are building their legacies by trying to fight the best in and around their division.

            As far as ggg is concerned, after seeing his fight against Jacobs. I recommend him staying put exactly where he is until he retires.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            Not a penalty for going the distance. But we didn’t see any problem solving or adjustments form either fighter except for Jacobs switching to get a break from the jabs. This was a bout between good fighters, not fighters who belong in P4P discussions. Jacobs is slightly lesser than Taylor and Golovkin is around the same level as Abraham. Good enough to rule up to a certain level but not really elite. I’d want to see one of these two win the rematch much more resoundingly before i reconsider that view.

        • Orca

          160 isn’t much different to when BHop reigned there. I think Golovkin has done well and just beat the number 2 guy in the division. There’s not much left to do other than take on Canelo, get the last belt and confirm his superiority over Jacobs.

          • Larry Connor

            By the time Bhop was 35, he had several fights under his belt vs elite fighters. So there’s a huge difference when it comes to the 160 landscape vs ggg landscape at 160

          • Left Hook

            By the time he was 35, he had lost to RJJ (no shame whatsoever in that), got beat up by Mercado, and defeated faded champs (from lower weight classes) Simon Brown and JD Jackson. He didn’t get the Tito fight til he was almost 37.

          • Larry Connor

            How does your statement makes my statement untrue????

            My statement still stands. Compare the 35’s and there is zero comparison.

          • Left Hook

            First, he isn’t 35 yet. Second, are you considering the shells of Brown and JDJ as elite? He had one fight vs an elite, RJJ. One, not several. Maybe I am splitting hairs, but one is one. I feel the landscape is almost identical (once RJJ moved up). One dominant champ…lots of not-quites.

          • Ten Count Toronto

            I say Johnson, Holmes & Echols beat the same guys that Golovkin has beaten 2006-2016- not necessarily in the same one-sided fashion, but they’d beat them. Jackson & Vanderpool would do no worse than even-up against the same field.

            Unless Golovkin shows this was just an off night by beating Jacobs much more resoundingly in a rematch, this is pretty much rules him out of any P4P talk or comparisons with Historic Middleweights. The bout i saw on Saturday was of two who at best top out at the all-time level slightly above Joppy and slightly bellow Taylor & Abraham. Can dominate up to a certain level but not to be confused with elite.

          • Left Hook

            Possible. Glen Johnson in later years for sure. Echols, Holmes..could just as well lose to some of those fighters as well. IMHO

      • Turner Wednesday

        Agreed!

  • philoe bedoe

    Excellent mailbag again Doug.
    I had Jacobs winning the fight, Iiked his combinations and power punches better than Golovkins single punches.
    But as I have only watched it once, will go back and watch again.
    This still hasn’t changed my mind about the outcome of Golovkin vs Saunders or Canelo.
    I could always see where both would give GGG problems.
    Billie Joe with his elusive boxing skills ( one that’s fully focused) and Canelo with his combinations.
    Ive noticed that Golovkin isn’t the best counter puncher around.
    He stops in his tracks when he gets hit takes a step back and resets himself, can see Canelo having a lot of success with his fast combos…………

    • Orca

      I think the way BJS’s work rate dropped in the second half of the Eubank fight would prove disastrous in a GGG fight, not to mention his performance in his last fight. I think the Canelo fight will be fun regardless of what happened on Saturday night.

      • philoe bedoe

        I’ve always said that would be the biggest problem for Billie Joe against Golovkin was his stamina.
        And I’ve always predicted a late stoppage for GGG.
        But I believe that Billie Joe’s style would give him serious problems up until that point.
        The biggest problem for Canelo would also be getting out worked by Golovkin.
        Canelo does like to fight in spots…………

        • Orca

          Late stoppage sounds about right. It’s easy to underrate BJS but he can box a bit. Right now, I’m not sure where his head is at. He is p!ssing away his career. Not a fan of the guy at all and would be happy to see him get clipped by GGG but he needs to step up and do something with that belt of his. The guy he beat to win the title, Andy Lee, would have already stepped up.

          • philoe bedoe

            He was out injured for a long time, and if he gets the fight against Golovkin then it’s all good.
            Personally whenever I’ve been in his company I’ve always found him very civil.
            Not just to me but all the general public……….

          • Orca

            Yeah well, I only have what I watch and read online to go on and he rubs me the wrong way. Hopefully he gets back in the mix soon so we know where he stands at 160.

          • philoe bedoe

            Personally the personal side of boxers or gamesmanship, showboating, trash talking has never bothered me, I take it with a pinch of salt.
            Whether it was Naseem Hamed, Eubank, Toney, Broner, Tyson Fury, etc.
            He definitely needs to get it together soon……..

  • Todd Gumm

    Gotta disagree with the comments re the online PPV…

    Technically, it was terrible throughout – jerky, hiccupy, poor picture quality…and it wasn’t my internet connection, as I was watching on a corporate T1 line.

    Content-wise, it was also only slightly better. While Bontempo is serviceable, Kelley is horrendous. Master of the obvious, Kelley adds nothing. He’s verbal wallpaper.

    For $64.95, we deserve much better than this. This online PPV was a ripoff.

  • mike

    I think Jacobs is now a legit super-middleweight. GGG is a natural middleweight. GGG should stay away from 168 pounders. If the fighters were held to a fight day weigh-in, in addition to the day before, it would be a good rule for boxing.Of course all this belts don’t pay much attention to good rules. But Jacobs took advantage of existing rules and you can’t blame him. I was at the Garden and Danny was noticeably the heavier guy.

    I agree with Dougie that GGG, jabs were very effective. And, I believe they were the difference in close rounds.
    Danny is very talented and came back strong after the knockdown. But that lateral movement wasn’t as effective as, say, Keith Thurman, punching quickly off temporary stops in the movement. Danny moved, but it was more defensive than anything. GGG didn’t look great I concede. However, he did enough to win the 11th. That plus the knockdown was the difference in my opinion.

    • Left Hook

      And (at least early), Thurman was in-and-out. Jacobs stayed out. It was a rare moment when he initiated the exchanges.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      I thought the jab basically won Golovkin a couple of the close rounds which ultimately made the difference in the scores. The jab bothered jacobs more than the long right hands, that;s why he switched to lefty so often, Jacobs simply didn’t do enough offensively to merrit considertion in any of the first 4 rounds in my opinion. However I do think he was the slightly better fighter from the 6th round on and although he ran out of rounds he did enough to call into question who is really the better fighter.

      You are right about the Thuman-Garcia analogy. I also came to the conclusion that Thuramn & Garcia are better pound-4-pound fighters than Golovkin & Jacobs. I saw to “very good” middle weights closer to the level of the Taylor, Joppy & Abraham rather than the top Middleweights of any era.

  • Kudos

    “They” didn’t want Jacobs to win.

    • Rick

      Shouldn’t you be calling in some bomb threats or something?

      • Kudos

        Come again

  • Kudos

    Bet that Archumbault faggot nearly had a heart attack

  • Dee Money

    I wonder if this puts GGG v Alvarez in danger? In that Golovkin may now be wary of getting in the ring with an opponent who significantly outweighs him and Canelo is known for ignoring post weigh in rehydrations limits and coming in at a very heavy relative weight.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      I think he’ll be more worried about youthful legs & reflexes. Lemieux & Murray were physically stronger than Alvarez regardless of wheight but they boxed within the speed limit and frankly they just winging it going backwards, that’s not their fight.

      The fight might be more threatened if GBP suddenly feels like saying Golovkin isn’t worth as much as he was before the Jacobs fight and suddenly throw him a lower number or make other demands.

  • Roberto Carlos Guerra

    I wonder who will be number 1 p4p now that Choco lost?

    • wayne reid

      maybe Lomachenko?

    • Dee Money

      If Gonzalez decides to go back down in weight I think he may have a claim to it. He went to a weight that he is not capable of being the greatest at, but at Flyweight he may still be better than anyone at any other given weight.

      • Ten Count Toronto

        I don;t understand why Gonzalez & Narvaez don’t fight each other like they should have done at some point over the last 8 years to settle who’s the best Hobbit of that time period. They’re OK fighting other guys who also moved up in their later years like Nietes or Estrada, but if they get in the ring with an elite guy who is big enough to make noise at 118, they’re gonna take serious damage.

  • Fidel.

    Noticed that all the letters published just happened to go along with Dougie’s assertion that ggg and Roman won the fights? Get over it mate Roman won fair and square.

    • Jorge

      You just did the same

      • Rick

        That was an odd comment wasn’t it.

  • RStech

    Gonzalez gets robbed and Floyd fans shit a big sigh of relief. Big praise for Roman for stepping up and taking on dangerous opponents. Meanwhile corruption and incompetancy of judges reaches coast to coast.

    GGG won while fighting a cruiserweight. Now that Charlo is in the mix, I would like to see him in there with Jacobs. Two fighters of equal size and skill square off for their shot.

  • ronny rath

    damn this email is the most bias email ever. I dont know what fight ya watching if you say that Gonzalez won it clearly. The thai guy gave him a beating and boxing lesson. I thought Danny won the fight by 1 point. GGG done lost and he knew it after round 12. He looked sad and unsure.

  • Victor Scanio

    In a prize fight championship, the contender has to come and take away the fight from the champ and not run away, keep away, or steal away the fight, more than engaging the opponent. For 7 rounds Jacobs fought going backwards and only got confidence when he and GGG slowed down after middle rounds. The more punches thrown after rd.7 and clinching from Jacobs was less than accurate than he threw earlier. Plus, whether GGG was hurt from any punches or not, the jab and constant pressure from GGG, showed who was the champion and who was just hitting to survive and not take away or out point the champ. Let’s see if Jacobs can handle Lemieux better than GGG. And people forget that physically Jacobs didn’t show up for second weigh in, meaning that the Jacob camp either didn’t want their fighter weakened from trying to keep weight to 165 fight class or that they wanted him to come in as a bigger stronger fighter at 15 pounds heavier. Jacobs is another fighter like Canelo that keeps fighting in a smaller lighter weight class than he belongs (6ft tall 175-180 lb normal walking). Those that fight smaller guys all the time are like bullies.

    • Left Hook

      He did a lot of barking from a distance, didn’t he?

  • Chris Smith

    Golovkin lost clearly and I’m not surprised this guy Dougie picked the loser as the winner

    • I got this one correct, my confused friend.

      • Chris Smith

        No you didn’t! You are a fan boy that doesn’t call fights correctly. I expect to be blocked again by you but I don’t care. Golovkin lost!

      • Left Hook

        You sure did! I think there are those like Chris who probably watched what Jacobs did, as opposed to what was transpiring in the fight. Maybe punchstats will help him. Or watching Jacobs’ head pop around from those stiff Golovkin jabs. When you talk about clean punches, there was no denying the jab was landing. As for Jacobs’ body shots…those are hard to tell if they landed, how hard they landed, how clean they were, if they were mostly blocked. Not hating on body shots, but those are harder to guage.

    • David Telfer

      How did you score it Chris?

      • Chris Smith

        I had it 8-4 Jacobs, 7 to 5 with the knockdown. Even lying Lederman had it 6 to 6 at the end of the fight.

        • Ten Count Toronto

          Lederman was drunk to give Jacobs 1 & 2. The first might have been even, 2.3 4 and the first 2 minutes of the 5th were barely even contested by Jacobs. He didn’t get any offense going until he slightly buzzed Golovkin late in the 5th.

          I could definitely accept giving Jacobs 5 of the last 7 rounds making it fairly close on paper and leaving a very successful overall impression, but not enough rounds to catch up from the shy start and knockdown.

    • Rick

      Umm NOBODY picked Jacobs to win.

      • Chris Smith

        But he won! Every broadcast except HBO had Jacobs winning.

  • philoe bedoe

    There’s been a lot of talk about the next day weighing, and how Jacobs was too big for middleweight and Golovkin is a natural middleweight.
    Golovkin weighed in 169 for the next day weighing, which took place early the following morning.
    If the same day weighins were brought back I think he would struggle to make weight………..

    • Dee Money

      Its not same day weigh ins in the traditional sense (ie pre early 80s). Its same day rehydration limits (which is basically a same day weigh in +10 lbs of the original weight).

      Based on that criteria, yes GGG gets into the ring at a SMW weight; however Jacobs fought basically at Rocky Marciano’s weight.

      • philoe bedoe

        And there’s people out there that think Marciano could have competed with the Giants of today……….

        • Dee Money

          Hey I give it up to the Rock though, he probably was a top 3 (maybe even #1) cruiserweight of all time. If he were ever to have fought at that weight class.

          • philoe bedoe

            I agree………

        • Dee Money

          Hey I give it up to the Rock though, he probably was a top 3 (maybe even #1) cruiserweight of all time. If he were ever to have fought at that weight class.

    • Ten Count Toronto

      Or maybe he was 165 two hours before that weigh in and didn’t bother to delay breakfast and a a couple of quarts of water? He might not be making the weight if they did the weigh-in IN THE RING just before the card started as was once the practice, but around noon time, he’d be OK, In a long fight they’re gonna lose anywhere form 10-16 lbs mostly through sweat, so they have to load up a little bit,

      I think they may have also have trained to be a few pounds bigger than usual, knowing what the math would be against this opponent. I though I reall GGG’s past same day weights being around 165-167.

      • philoe bedoe

        That’s the downside of same day weighins, boxers who could be coming into fights not fully hydrated……

  • Orca

    Watched the Gonzalez fight again during my lunch hour and I really feel for the guy to have his undefeated record ripped away from him like that. No way he lost that fight. I bet he’s gutted. He really gave everything he had in that ring despite the butts and cuts (and those were nasty) He is the epitome of what I look for in a fighter and a big FU to the ‘Mayweather way ‘ that has been hanging around in boxing like a bad smell for the past few years. Take on big challenges, entertain, fight through adversity and leave all you have in the ring. Let’s see a rematch.

  • Steve Coleman

    Good fights last weekend. It’s not just fans that are split. Many people in the industry (boxers and insiders like other journalists, etc.) thought that Jacobs won, and some even felt that Srisaket Sor Rungvisai won. Both of these fights were close and very competitive. I thought that Golovkin-Jacobs could’ve gone either way, but I thought that Golovkin may have just edged it. The advanced PPV numbers are disappointing, especially given HBO’s push of Golovkin. So GGG should just take the offer that Golden Boy offer before it gets lower.

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