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Keith Thurman wants Angel in Danny’s corner but not at pressers

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17
Feb

Keith Thurman believes that controversial trainer Angel Garcia should be allowed to work son Danny Garcia’s corner for their welterweight unification bout on March 4 at Barclays Center on CBS but that he should be banned from any further press conferences before or after the bout.

“I do think he should be in Danny’s corner,” Thurman told RingTV.com on Friday. “If anything, I think they should just suspend Angel Garcia from being in the press conference room. I don’t think Angel Garcia should be in the press conference before the fight, nor should he be in the press conference after the fight.”

Angel Garcia will meet with the New York State Athletic Commission in the next few weeks to determine if he will be granted a trainer’s license for March 4 after he spewed racist and xenophobic language at a press conference last month. A spokesman for the New York State Athletic Commission told RING on Thursday the meeting with Garcia is to decide if he is “suitable” for a trainer’s license in New York State. Thurman’s thoughts on the matter are clear.

“I do believe he has a right to work his son’s corner,” Thurman went on. “And I would prefer he’s in his son’s corner — that way when we get the victory they don’t have the excuse that his father wasn’t with him and it was hard for them to execute a game plan. His dad has always been in his corner. I think he should be in his corner. But not only do I believe that he shouldn’t be in the podium at the press conference, I don’t think he should be in the room. But I do think they should be allowed to stay a team and work together and produce the fight the fans want to see.”

Angel Garcia’s tirade has somewhat overshadowed an excellent matchup of welterweight titleholders in Thurman (27-0, 22 knockouts) and Garcia (33-0, 19 KOs). It’s just the third time in the history of the sport that two undefeated welterweights have met in a unification clash. “It’s just a little too much drama,” Thurman said on Friday of Garcia’s rant. “He went overboard at the conference. He should be banned from the conferences at this point. I don’t think he should be banned from the fight.”

  • Michel Desgrottes

    if you want to promote a fight on CBS network television, u can’t have that kind of language

    • The Immortal S-Hop

      If you want your son to be any kind of role model in America, you can’t be his mouthpiece and spew this racist garbage.
      And if you want your points about “the demographic” or that freelance writer to be taken seriously, you can’t excuse Angel.
      That said, I agree with everything Thurman just said. Classy guy with belief in self to still want Angel in that corner.

      • Michel Desgrottes

        Yea but idk if angel wants his son to be a role model, I’ve never gotten that vibe from him that he wants DSG to be seen as a person others can look up to, if anything angel comes off as a guy who wants his son to get the money bag and exit….there’s no debate that angel has said and done nasty things and NYSAC should react accordingly, but angel has nothing to do with a writer referring to Haymon as nigger and black hitler, two separate people and scenarios, with different outcomes and uproars…my point still stands, sport won’t grow on a platform like cbs if people involved are this distasteful, doesn’t reel in advertising

        • The Immortal S-Hop

          My point is that you can’t hold others responsible for the actions of a freelance writer. That’s not fair. If someone who substituted at your school says some vile shit, should I hold you accountable for it? No.
          I’ve no doubt that Angel doesn’t concern himself with Danny being a role model. But at the same time, I think Danny himself would like to be one. His father’s mouth holds him back.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Who did I hold responsible for that writer’s words?, i hold the writer for his words, and I look at the golden boy/ringtv public relations staffer responsible for inaction or not checking him and his words off general principle…idk what Danny wants to be, and I wouldn’t presume to know, and I’m sure people are asking him, like I would “yo is that your man? U cosign this dude” but of course he would have to ride for his pops who wouldn’t, Danny taking the easy (and some would say cowardly) way out by being quiet and training and avoiding media and brushing off his father comments like always, doesn’t mean I like it or stand by it, nor have I said that I like Danny for doing so…also your analogy needs tweaking….if said substitute teacher was having a conversation with me, and was saying some wild shit…and I don’t stop to check him and make it perfectly clear I don’t think that way and said person needs to modify how they speak…then yea I look stupid cause human nature suggest birds of a feather flock together ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVO SHOWS YOU ARE IN COLLUSION FOR A MEAN SPIRITED TASK (damaging Haymon in that instance)

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            But much of the time you don’t have any idea about a substitutes ideological views. Analogy stands. We can be responsible for self.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Hence why I said “in the event u have a conversation with someone and they reveal nasty things about themselves via language used” which Is why I tweaked it, because your original analogy doesn’t apply to balderas IMO, in any event, I never gave angel a pass and do think what he says and does is nasty, but I take exception that when people act like, him, a Puerto Rican man from PR that grew up in philly, was saying nigga like a klansmen

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            I’m of the group that doesn’t think anyone gets a pass for that language and in any event, Angel was saying it in a derogatory manner towards an African American man. I don’t care what shade of tan Angel is. But while I’ll hold Angel responsible for what Angel says, I’m not holding Ring responsible for what some rando said.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Well that would depend on how u view angel as far as racially/ethnically to begin with…I myself, am a Haitian man, but I got homies who are Puerto Rican, Cuban, my wife is Dominican etc, all those islands are home to afro-latinos who have African blood mixed with Taino, so when I see a Puerto Rican man, whether it’s angel, big pun, fat joe, whoever, and either of them saying “fuck u nigga, ya mom pussy stink nigga” I’m not shocked or amazed cause I know how to separate ethnicity versus racial make up, “nigga” isn’t a word strictly for African americans, all descendants of Africa have used or been a part of that kind of language, whether it’s negrito negrita kaffa whatever, maybe in other parts of the country people don’t speak like that, but that’s how {some} east coast people of Latino-carribean-African descent do, he wasn’t invoking a klansmen spirit when he was going at Keith

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            I’m sayin, to me, I don’t care who you are. It’s a bad look. Unacceptable. I wouldn’t like it from you, or him, or anyone else. Ending with an A or an ER, I don’t like it. Even more because he was coming at dude with putdowns. He doesn’t have to wear a pointy white hat to be in the wrong.

          • Julio

            Yeah there is no doubt that he was trying to belittle Thurman. It is not just what Angel Garcia said; you could sense the animosity in his words.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Well then what affects you may not be to the next man, and furthermore I would hope we don’t get into a discussion of angel’s intentions when he said what he said because if we do, then yes it gets racially based, which then I would revert back to why I don’t see a problem with his usage of said word, now if you say he shouldn’t be cursing and spewing any vitriol or bad language in general in that setting and should conduct himself in a professional manner, then I’m with you, but I’m not gonna tell any man of African descent “you can say fuck shit bitch cunt asshole, but not ‘nigga'” not me no way never

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            Here’s a thing. We’ve agreed maybe once ever. But…we respectfully disagree and that’s what’s up.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Yea that’s fine, I’m cool with it, all I’m saying is some things in life require heavy context, even if it’s ugliest state

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            In which case, why would you not afford that to Dougie?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            I never charged Dougie with anything, I debated with him on the connection of that writer to golden boy, and if golden boy as a company should Or shouldn’t have had any responsibility to speak on it, I would never debate with dougie on if black hitler or nigger is offensive was being used in a negative connotation towards Haymon, simply cause it was self evident, and I even told Doug that there is more Emails that Paul gift spoke about that had cruder language, it was a different debate altogether

          • Charlie U.

            So, who’s allowed to use the word and who isn’t Mike? And does it have to be a pronounced a certain way? It’s nonsense, really. No one should ever get a pass. Black, White, Latino , Asian. No one.

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            Absolutely. It’s a terrible word and he was using it in a derogatory manner. I don’t care where Angel’s people come from. I don’t care what shade of skin he has. He used that word as a put down and thats wrong.

          • Charlie U.

            Agree. Even if it weren’t a put down, it shouldn’t be used. My African-American friend told me that he and his family/friends used to say it to each other all the time in a non-derogatory way, kinda like the way I use dude. Then he heard someone on Oprah (or maybe Oprah herself) say that that was the last thing many black people heard before being hung. He hasn’t used it since.

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            As it should be…in my opinion anyway.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            I think it’s foolish anyone try to police something from a culture of mine, words are said by anyone and can be said by anyone, free country, but whom I choose to embrace with certain epithets and slang is my culture and I have the right to embrace and refer to people who reciprocate it as such, if Larry David can get on stage and make kike jokes, if George Lopez or Felipe Esparza can riff and joke about beaners “spics” and women can call each other “bitches” then idk why police wanna nigga, if it’s not your culture, judge slowly and learn the various ways of it before u speak, IMO

          • Charlie U.

            I don’t agree with any of that. There shouldn’t be double standards with any culture using historically offensive slurs, regardless of who says them. The n word is particularly offensive given the history of this country’s treatment toward blacks and the fact that basic civil rights were not given to all black Americans until fairly recently. Why would you or anyone else want to perpetuate that negativity by continuing to use a word that has so much horrible history associated with it?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Because life is about perspective, when u see a swatiska u probably think of neo nazis and hitler…but from the Volta to the Congo to the Nile, from gold weights to hieroglyphics, the swastika has been used throughout Africa for centuries, in fact the word Nigger, comes from the African country Niger, so while you only base the AMERICAN historical context of it used by whites, understand the world is way more complex than white folks usage of said word, please understand the world is bigger and more complex than America

          • Charlie U.

            The word has its own history and context here. That’s where you live, that’s where I live. In America, do you think anyone saying that word to someone else cares one bit about the historical roots from other parts of the world? No, they don’t. They’re using it based on the perspective and context they know, which is to insult, degrade and de-humanize people of color.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Well I’m from NYC, and you’re limiting American people as to only knowing the historical American context of the word, which belittles their knowledge and understanding of it, everyone is different and has their own path to etymology, it’s not up to anyone to limit people from using language and slang, especially in this country where we have freedom of speech, to automatically assume whenever a word is used, it’s solely to degrade, that’s your opinion, but once again, I caution u to explore other cultures customs backgrounds and interpretations before u put a nail in the coffin, shout out to Kendrick Lamar, N-E-G-U-S

          • Charlie U.

            How can you possibly know someone’s understanding of the etymology of the word and their intention when they say it? I say it, I lose my job and possibly get attacked, you say it, it’s a term of endearment?

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Sure, same as I know the intention of women way they throw the word “bitch” around, inflections in voice, tone, familiarity of the subject in question, so many things can help decipher if someone is calling someone else a female dog, or home girl, are we really acting like that doesn’t exist in this world?

          • Charlie U.

            I’ve carefully read the things you wrote a few times now and I still have no idea what you’re trying to communicate and what your overall point is.

            Black people in this country were hung just for being black and, as they were dying, that word was being yelled at them by onlookers. Words have meanings and we should always be careful about with which ones we choose to use. You might not be offended by it but plenty of people are. It offends me as a white person to hear it and I’ve heard the same thing from many people of all different backgrounds, ethnicities, races, cultures, etc. who feel the same way.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            And u keep saying this country, nigga, is bigger than African Americans, and like anything, words can transform for people, if u disagree on that notion cool, but for me it’s 100% true that words have different connotations depending on context, as a black man who’s traveled to different African and Caribbean nations, take my word for it, it’s not so cut and dry

          • Michel Desgrottes

            And btw you’re separating black from Latino which is not necessarily the case, u can be black and Latino, Celia Cruz, Juan de Marcos so many others, afro Latino is a real thing, and however people use slang from their culture is their business

          • Charlie U.

            Who cares, Mike? People come from all different ethnic and racial backgrounds. I get it. I enjoy learning about and immersing myself in different cultures. It’s a big part of what makes NY so great. Unlike you, I don’t think the use of the N word should be a part of any culture. It’s a word filled with hundreds of years of hate. The more any culture continues to use it, the less likely we’ll be able to get past that history, see beyond our skin deep differences, celebrate our cultural diversity and begin working toward seeing everyone as humans first and foremost.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            As a man of Haitian descent that’s traveled to Africa and seen the Congo and done my homework about different customs, cultures, etymologies, it’s bigger than America and symbols and words can be expressed and spoken of differently

          • Michel Desgrottes

            Also the writer on his own twitter page (@kikobalderas) says he is a ringtv contributor, so if he’s gonna attach that brand to his name, then other folks who are attached (especially heads of said brand) better be prepared when someone says “yo wtf, is that your mans”

          • The Immortal S-Hop

            But he was prepared and it isn’t his mans. I can attach that to my Twitter too. Doesn’t change facts.

          • Michel Desgrottes

            If you that comfortable with dude to have over 15 emails back n forth, it’s not merely just business

  • Julio

    Well, this is not precisely Leonard-Hearns, but I think it looks decent on paper. If they can deliver even half the action those two did, it should be one heck of a fight.

    • Don Trump Triumphant

      Leonard-Hearns never called each other racist names!

      • Julio

        Danny or Thurman never said anything of the sort either. So don’t get it twisted my friend.

  • ozzy

    I can see why Thurman’s said he wants Angel in Danny’s corner so that they can’t have an excuse for losing, however this is simply his pride talking, because he may not win and have the pleasure of laughing in Angel’s face. Maybe Thurman should only think of winning, and that chance would no doubt increase if Angel was banned from the corner.

    • Julio

      Either scenario is possible, but regardless, I think the elder Garcia should be disciplined in some way.

      • jebib

        Now that I think of it I wonder if Papa might be the reason for Garcia’s dearth of big fights lately?

        • Julio

          Who knows? But keep in mind that he is a Haymon fighter, and uncle Al has this benevolent mantra of paying his fighters absurd amounts of ducats, even against the most woefully overmatched opponents.

  • jebib

    In a discussion I had with my son he suggested if Garcia has a fight plan similar to the one he employed in the Matthysse he might have an excellent chance of winning. Any comments?

    • Julio

      Problem is that Mathysee doesn’t have the tools that Thurman has, both physically and technically. Garcia’s best chance is to catch Thurman with one of his counters either in an exchange or when Keith gets inside. Also, Danny has awful footwork and needs to plant his feet to do his damage. If Keith decides to be on his toes, then Garcia really has his work cut out for him. Thurman has the fastest hands, but Garcia arguably better timing. The safe bet is on Thurman, but I think Garcia is a very live dog.

      • jebib

        Perhaps Matthysse is shot today but not three years ago. It’s tough for me to argue whether Garcia’s skill set can measure up to Thurman’ s. But one thing I am sure of is to date Danny Garcia has always found a way to win.

        • Julio

          Nobody is implying or saying that Matthysee was shot when he faced Garcia. The subject here is that Thurman posits a completely different (and more difficult challenge) than Lucas. To me, it is easy to see that this is Garcia’s litmus test. This is the fight that will let us know what this kid truly brings to the table. The fact that Garcia has always found a way to win is what makes him dangerous.

          • jebib

            Julio, I was not suggesting he was shot when he fought Garcia. I was raising the question of whether when the two fought this might have been every bit the challenge if not more than Thurman poses.BTW I am not in the tank for Garcia. I think that Thurman is a very exciting fighter.

          • Julio

            I saw the other day the Matthysee fight, and I think Danny outboxed him clearly enough to win. Lucas is a rugged, strong guy, but skill-wise very limited. Thurman has many more tools and is in his absolute prime. I can see Thurman winning, but I will be rooting for Garcia.

          • jebib

            Wouldn’t this bout and the GGG vs Jacobs be a good start for a Don King PPV?

          • Julio

            Absolutely.

          • Pete

            Garcia has been through many of those fights, but I agree that @147 this is most definitely his litmus test.

            It’s a great match-up and we’ll have a unified champion. Let’s hope the winner carries on this trend and fights the winner of Brook v Spence… I’d include Pacquiao, but I’m not sure how relevant he is

          • Julio

            Garcia has some recognizable names on his resume (some more faded than others) but there is definitely some upside to it. The winner should take on the winner of Spence/Brook without question. Pacquiao is still in the mix of course.

          • Pete

            Personally I hope Brook beats Spence. I think Brook is technically perfect and can overcome whatever is put in front of him – I’m still in the camp that thinks without the eye injury he would’ve given GGG a beating.

            So that said, I really don’t think Spence is good enough. Neither is Garcia or Thurman.

            I honestly think Brook is another level and I hope he proves me right. Obviously time will tell and if I’m wrong about him then I’ll hold my hands up.

            Regarding Pacquiao I think Brook times him and knocks him out. I’ve thought that for years.

            Anyway, as true boxing fans we’re blessed to have such good fights on the horizon and I’m very much looking forward to seeing what happens.

          • Julio

            Brook definitely is talented enough to give anyone at 147 a run for their money. But after going up to 160 and getting abused by GGG, its still up in the air how much the extra weight and the injury will affect him, let alone taking on a dangerous (although relatively untested) Spence. Brook truly showed some heart and a chin, but I don’t think he could hang with GGG for much longer. He wasn’t doing any damage or able to keep Golovkin honest. Every time GGG decided to go on the attack, Kell had no answers to it. I think Brook definitely would have a good shot at KO this version of Pacquiao.

          • Pete

            The fight against GGG had only just started. I thought Brook was starting to time him, get into a rythym and was riding the shots, but as soon as he started to paw at his eye it was over as a contest. Which was shame. Take nothing away from GGG, his power is phenomenal. The injury happened and we’ll never know.

            The weight loss is more of a worry IMO than the injury, but again, we wait and see.

            I just like seeing Brook in the ring, win or lose, he has a rare talent and I want boxing fans in the US to see more of him.

            This fight with Spence is a great platform. Please god his eye is fully recovered and we gets the best version of both fighters.

          • Julio

            The point that I am trying to make (injury or not) is that every time Golovkin went after him, Brook wasn’t able to effectively repel the attack. I don’t think he could take much more of that for another seven rounds. Monroe also had his moments against GGG, but eventually was pummeled into submission. With GGG is not only about the power, is actually the little things he does to set up that power. A lot of fans tend to overlook that.

          • Pete

            GGG is a great fighter and you maybe right, but come on, Monroe’s moments were nothing like Brook’s – who was pummelling Golovkin until that eye injury.

            I don’t know if Brook would’ve lasted the 12 and I’ll admit the odds were against him, but the fact is, that injury changed the fight. An injury that came at the fists of Golovkin, so kudos to him.

            At the end of it all, Brook was crazy/brave taking on GGG in his first fight @160… I just hope it hasn’t been too detrimental.

          • Julio

            I don’t deny that Brook had some moments of success, but its not like he was outboxing GGG or making him doubt at all. Again, when GGG stepped on the gas, he found Brook easily and often and Kell had 0 answers. I have serious doubts that he could take such a beating for an additional seven rounds without someone stepping in to save him from himself, which was indeed what ultimately happened.

      • Sweet_Science_

        Thurman will move in and out, side to side and try to frustrate Garcia until he gets wild or winded. Thurman will be looking to land combos and roll out. Garcia will try to punch in between Thurmans shots and force exchanges. And I will be on the edge of seat loving every minute! To me, who ever has the better jab has a good chance to win this fight.

    • Don Trump Triumphant

      Angel, is that you?

    • PrinceGian

      My comment is that Matthysse is a completely different fighter to Thurman. Garcia would have to employ a completely different strategy with Thurman who prefers to box more on the outside as opposed to Matthysse’s pressure style.

  • Shawn

    Keith, if you KO Angel – I’ll personally hand you a thousand dollars cash, to retain a lawler.

  • Cousin Strawberry

    Yeah I agree w one time, Angel needs to go to rehab and see a psychiatrist. Dude is a tool.

  • JA

    They should re-run that old “This is your brain on drugs” commercial, but replace the frying egg with Angel’s many incoherent rants. I think most people would decide the risk is too great and stay off drugs.

  • Reggie Woodard

    What were the other two undefeated welterweight clashes?? I’m guessing Mitch Abrahamson means undefeated belt holders?

    Leonard/Hearns
    Trinidad/ODLH

  • Sweet_Science_

    Well said by Thurman. No fines, no suspension. Just no microphone. I thought that was cool that he seemed fair in saying no press conference for Angel. To me he should be allowed to corner Danny..and if he’s not allowed I’m sure Garcia will pull out. Despite the bad press this is still a quality fight. I like to watch Both fighters in the ring and to me it’s a pick’em fight.

    • philoe bedoe

      Well said.
      I’m really looking forward to it myself, and I also think it’s a pick em fight……….

      • Sweet_Science_

        I like that Danny said he’s going to go to Keiths body. Danny on the inside has good timing. He has already shown he will punch with you and the left hook under the elbow is sharp. Not just because Collazo hurt him either, but because Thurman has good movement compared to Garcia. It has the ingredients to be a good fight. Anyone wanna predict who comes forward? I think Danny will.

        • philoe bedoe

          I’m also leaning slightly towards Garcia……….

          • Sweet_Science_

            Ah what a sight that would be. Danny can potshot on the outside too. I just know that if Dannys gonna dig downstairs he will be close enough for Thurman to do the same! And either guy is in the right range for an uppercut. All in all, kudos to Both fighters for rolling the dice and unifying. A loss doesn’t hurt either guy’s career at this point unless it’s a blow out either way I suppose. Can’t wait.

          • Pete

            Whoever wins let’s hope it sets up a fight with the winner of Brook v Spence.

            Both 50/50 fights IMO as both very difficult to predict.

            I’ll be watching this one with great interest. Garcia has been underestimated for a long time, but I think those days are over.

          • philoe bedoe

            A fight between both winners would be the no1 at 147………

  • Sidewinder

    Honestly If I where Thurman I would let Angel referee this fight, for this would be the best way to bust his dome without getting arrested. The way Badou Jack did to the ref during his fight with Degale, but this time with bad intentions.

  • Max-Barley…

    I’m willing to bet top $ my Dog has a higher IQ than Angel “crack pipe” Garcia.

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